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Jordan Lapp
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   Posted 11/22/2008 4:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So, predictably, my first post back on Without Really Trying generated a bit of controversy.

In it, I basically said that it was a waste of time for new writers to blog, and that they should focus on their fiction instead. I got quite a lot of people sharing their thoughts on that post, so I elaborated in a second posting here.

Obviously, I'd love for you to add your thoughts to the discussion at the blog, but if you'd rather share your thoughts here, I'd love to hear them.


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   Posted 11/22/2008 5:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I was told to get a blog, by a book publicist whom I respect. And no, it's not a very popular one, but I'd like to have somewhere people can leave comments about my writing when they read it.


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   Posted 11/22/2008 5:20 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jordan, I think writers should definitely get a website but on the specifics of blogging ... I have one but I don't post every day and I'm always talking about my stuff. So I don't "waste" too much time on it if you want. I doubt legions of fans are going to visit my blog. It's just a place to find my bibliography, reviews and maybe see what I'm up to writing wise, if you are interested in that. The other part of blogging is you make your private life public (it is like a diary, after all) and I have no desire to do that.


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   Posted 11/22/2008 5:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think, Silvia, that you have it exactly right. In my opinion, writers DO need a website, but a blog? Only if they have something to sell. The time commitment just outweighs the benefit otherwise.


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   Posted 11/22/2008 6:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't blog very much either, it's mostly for people to find me, comment on my writing. etc.


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   Posted 11/22/2008 6:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The temptation is to blog ... and not write.


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   Posted 11/22/2008 6:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I do have a blog, but I see it as being quite useful. I try to post every morning and report on what I worked on the night before. It's not a waste of time for me, as my one post a day takes only a couple minutes to write I never post it during my writing time. In fact, it helps keeps me on track because I know I have to meet my writing goals so I'll have something to post about.

Basically, at this point the blog is mostly for my own benefit. Perhaps in time there'll be many people reading it, but for now it's a journal. Well, and it's handy in professional situations. One company I applied to for a writing position gives preferential treatment to writing samples on personal web sites.
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   Posted 11/22/2008 6:21 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, kind of. I blog every day, and it takes up about half an hour every day, between posting my own stuff and reading other's blogs. It has helped me get into touch with other authors and editors, and has actually led to at least one story being solicited for an antho, and also in a couple of extremely qualified beta readers for my novel.

I've also received comments from (and gotten to know) a few authors whose work I'd read in books from major publishers, which I feel is cool, but it's also a great way to learn.

It also forces me to write - I use the blog to keep track of word counts, and would hate to admit that "I wrote nothing. I surfed the net all day".

My blogging has served me well, so far. Website, hopefully, coming soon.


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   Posted 11/22/2008 6:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Well, I can see the point about blogs taking away valuable writing time better spent on writing stories, novels, poetry, and the like. They can and do eat up minutes or even hours. However...

In this day of on-line social networking, blogs can be a good way to connect with people. They can be a good way to let people know who you are, and what you are doing. They are one of the many tools of self-promotion. They can help potential readers follow your growing list of publication credits, which helps promote not only your own writing, but the markets in general. I've never tried to find out if this is true numbers-wise, but I suspect that far more people find out about my latest publications through my blogs than through my web site.

I would say, if you have the time and energy, having a blog can be a worthwhile thing for an up-and-coming writer. Of course, it might be best to have that blog on a site where you can easily and readily network, make new on-line friends, and draw attention to your work.

Jordan, you are right in saying that the fiction writing should come first. Obviously, an aspiring writer might want to get a few publication credits, get something writing-related to blog about, before they go ahead and create a writer's blog. However, I don't think you necessarily have to wait to keep a blog until you've "made it", whatever that may be.

I truly believe you are not only selling products, books and magazines, but you are selling your works. You are selling the concept of you as a writer. You are always trying to sell your works to potential readers, even if money isn't involved, even if they can read them for free on the internet.

Lately, I've noticed an increase in the numbers of view of my MySpace blog. So someone is interested in what this particular poet/artist is up to. And I've really only been at this for twenty months.

Remember, we all have to start somewhere. We're all new writers at one point in our writing careers. At some pooint, you may decide to become a new blogger, too. I see no reason you can't do that sooner rather than later.

Of course, the same argument about wasting time blogging, time that could be better spent writing fiction, applies equally well to those that frequently post on forums. A bit ironic, don't you think? 


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   Posted 11/22/2008 6:38 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
RHFay said...
Of course, the same argument about wasting time blogging, time that could be better spent writing fiction, applies equally well to those that frequently post on forums. A bit ironic, don't you think?


LOL! Et tu, Brutus???


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   Posted 11/22/2008 6:52 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I admit it, I spend far too much time on blogs and forums. I would probably have short-fiction credits alongside my art and poetry ones if I didn't. It can be time consuming. Still, I know I gained readers through my self-promotional efforts, people who would never have otherwise known about my work.

And, unless you are talking about major publications or novels, the money really isn't the thing. Readership is, even if the numbers are relatively small. The way I see it, the selling of my works doesn't end with an editor's acceptance. It continues on after publication as I try to sell my work to the reading public (even if they be other writers, and ESPECIALLY if they be editors).

Also, keep in mind my poetry collection was picked up by a second publisher after the first pulled out of the project IN PART because of the time I spend on a certain forum. So I think the time spent can be worthwhile, as long as it doesn't become excessive.

Budgeting time is the key.


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   Posted 11/23/2008 1:17 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't have either a website or a blog. I agree that budgeting time if the key, but I believe that regularly updating a blog or a website takes time. Time that MIGHT be better spent writing a novel, poems, and stories. That's just my opinion, of course. :)


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   Posted 11/23/2008 12:01 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think the trick is to use your blog not as a promotional tool but as a genuine expression of what you like a writer and a fan. My new blog is taking up some of my time but it hasn't stopped me from writing. If anything it has sparked some new ideas.

GW

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   Posted 11/23/2008 1:14 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree with your advice. The net is cluttered by breathless blogs of lulu writers checking every day to tell us they ran out of kleenex or something.

Those who do post about their writing are draining off the impetus to write the damn thing.

This approaches an issue that I've been developing on some pro writer and self-publishers boards: that a fledgling writer's web presence has different goals from that of an established writer.

At first you are trying to get attention to your book and name, and traffic to your purchase point. You're young and on the make. It's hard to see how a blog fits into that, actually.

At some point you get established and your site starts being an institutional stroking of fan base and "romancing the old lady".
It's kind of like the difference in ads between a newly introduced product and something Coca-Cola. Or Budweiser, that doesn't even have to mention their name: just show Clydesdales in the snow at Christmas. And spends BIG money to put in on the Superbowl.

Here's something I ran across, a rare instance where you can see both a writers old site and new site.

Here was the old one. I consider it a busy, obnoxious fire-sale piece of crap...except that it WORKED. This guy built a mediocre series by a third flight writer into a major property.

www.jakonrath.com/index.html

Now here's the new version. No sale going on, just a quiet, pretty (boring) look that maintains existing fans and shows potential new ones a writer who is all "arrived". He even has a FORUM...even riskier than a blog.
www.jakonrath.com

I'd say the trap is this: using a blog INSTEAD of forging a writing career.

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   Posted 11/23/2008 1:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That said, at the very beginning writers who aren't comfortable with tech or leaking money can find a blog a good ALTERNATIVE to a website. No need to register domains and all that, and a blog can do pretty much anything a website can. Including links to your purchase points and website once you get one.

And it's not really that much harder to remember www.tomjones.bloger.com than www.jakonrath.com

AND, if you're name's tom jones, you can probably find a free blog site where you can get a URL like that, and there is no way you're going to get tomjones.com or billpeterson.com or whatever.


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   Posted 11/23/2008 2:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I still stand by my own personal experience regarding the upkeep of a blog for new or fairly new writers. I think it has done me some good. I got the position of Niteblade art blogger, in part, because of my own blogs. The Niteblade editor actually wished to see writing examples, preferably blogs, of each of the applicants. Being involved with a publication like Niteblade can't hurt.

The thing about blogs is you can write as little or as much as you want to. You don't have to write huge entries each time you go on you own blog. Shorter entries, entries that are brief and to the point, are better in most cases.

If a new writer is blogging instead of writing fiction, then they obviously shouldn't be blogging. However, it's not necessarily the kiss of death to a writing career if a writer can work a blog in-between fiction writing. And it might, just might, generate some interest in the writer's work.

Let me put it this way. I have blogs on MySpace, LiveJournal, Blogger, and a couple of smaller social networks. I also have it set up where my blog automatically gets posted on Facebook. They tend to be the same blog, just reflected on the various sites. I also have had over one hundred poetry publications in various venues, alongside a few non-fiction articles, one drabble, and around two-dozen or so art publications. I also have art in the Abandoned Towers Zazzle store. And I currently have two illustrated poetry collections in the works. 

I think I've been able to blog and still write and draw. Granted, I have more time on my hands than most; that's why I keep several blogs. I also have stuff to sell, and I do promote in my blogs. I also post some personal stuff (to a point), examples of my poetry, insights into my own creative process, and a bit of random material.



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   Posted 11/23/2008 2:33 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Another point - I've made contacts with poets, writers and editors through some of the social networks where I keep blogs, contacts I probably would have never made otherwise (I'm a bit of a recluse). I guess this could be argued to be a bit different from blogs specifically, but I already mentioned earlier that I think blogs should be associated with some sort of network to make connections. An unread blog is indeed a useless one.

Just recently, I found out about the possibility of PodCastle accepting fantasy poetry through a Live Journal entry by one of my LJ friends. I would never have known about this is I didn't have a presence on LJ, if I hadn't made friends through LJ, and if I never read friends' entries.

It can be useful, you just have to figure out how to put it to good use.


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   Posted 11/23/2008 3:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I blog mostly for myself, though I do blog about writing quite a bit. But I blog to remind myself of something, or to keep a particular piece of advice in mind, to remember certain things, etc. A handful of people do read my blog, and sometimes they comment, but I don't blog for marketing purposes.

That being said, I have made quite a few contacts because of my blog, writers and editor who I feel have moved me along through either helping me to write better or who have actually helped my "career" along somewhat. And there's just the social aspect of keeping up with certain people.

As far as blogging taking away time from writing ... I'd say that's only true if you allow it to be true. I write, re-write and/or edit 6 days a week (I usually take Saturdays off), but I don't blog nearly that often. I don't watch much TV, don't go to the movies, don't play too many video games of late ... so mostly I read and write at least in part for entertainment purposes, and then sometimes I blog or keep track of other stuff online. I'd suggest finding a balance without letting any one thing take up all your time, and that includes writing.


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   Posted 11/23/2008 5:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
darkbow said...
...I'd suggest finding a balance without letting any one thing take up all your time, and that includes writing.

Well said!
 
I was thinking about this same concept in terms of family time, or time spent with friends. Should you spend NO time with your family, or out with friends, if it takes away from writing time? (I'm trying to apply the same logic regarding writing time used in the argument that new writers shouldn't keep a blog because it takes away from story writing time.)
 
Of course not, that's ridiculous! However, you shouldn't go clubbing every single night, or travelling around to every single relative every single weekend, if you want to be a serious writer.
 
I already worry that my writing and art take away too much of my family time. My wife has made comments in the past about being a "writer's widow" (not necessarily in those terms, but I think you know what I mean). When I get going with a project and get obsessed with working on my latest creative endeavour, it's as if she doesn't even have a spouse in the house. All she ever sees of me is the back of my head as I'm sitting at the computer either typing away or colouring in my latest illustration.
 
Being driven can be a benefit to anyone wanting to be a serious writer. On the other hand, being obsessed with writing to the exclusion of all else is unhealthy. Take it from someone who does come pretty darned close to crossing the line into unhealthy obsession; it can put a strain on the rest of your life.
 
I just have a problem with "all or nothing" attitudes, like a new writer should not have a blog at all. Maybe it should be more a question of how much time is spent on the blog, and whether or not the blog is used in a potentially constructive manner.


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   Posted 11/23/2008 6:07 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
RHFay said...
 
I just have a problem with "all or nothing" attitudes, like a new writer should not have a blog at all. Maybe it should be more a question of how much time is spent on the blog, and whether or not the blog is used in a potentially constructive manner.

I completely agree with you here.  It's similar to saying you shouldn't drink beer because you'll become an alcoholic if you do.  Some people might, yes, but it's certainly not a given.
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   Posted 11/23/2008 6:20 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello. My name is Richard. I'm addicted to poetry.

Maybe I shouldn't write poetry. Poetry does take time away from time spent writing short-stories or novels.

Of course, poetry has certainly gotten my name out there. Poetry has led to other things.

Admitedly, poetry composition is a constructive use of time, if not a very profitable one.

Still, there's probably more potential to make more with short-stories and novels.

So, to heck with poetry! Or, then again, maybe not.

(I admit it. I'm being a bit silly now.)


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   Posted 11/23/2008 8:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
New writers need a blog if for no other reason than it helps them develop discipline.

Get a blog
Make a sechedule
write something on it ON SCHEDULE

Two valuable skills being improved and polished at the same time. Every word they write builds their ability to write and learning to stick to the schedule will be invaluable through their entire writing career.

The added benefit is that if they use feedburner and people find out about their blog, they'll start developing a readership that'll be interested when they start publishing their work in other places.


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   Posted 11/23/2008 8:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Another reason why I personally keep a blog is because it happens to be a way to share poems that might not really work for most publications. Sometimes I share poems about things going on in my life, or feelings that I have regarding certain issues, that I would never actually want to submit for publication. Not that these pieces are garbage, they are just too specific for the particular situation to share outside of my blog.

However, every poem I write helps me hone my poetry composing skills.

A fiction writer could share flash pieces. An artist could share sketches (I've actually seen some artists that do that).


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   Posted 11/23/2008 8:33 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
the internet is the best free publicity you can have.
yes, website is important, but readers like change
in content. that's where the blog comes in.
i LOVE my blog. i make it a priority--it's very important
to my writing, as well as community, as well as promotion.

a blog is only any good if you are dedicated to it,
i think, and update frequently. nothing's worse than
an author with a last blog post from 2007. ugh.

and i can't tell you how many people i know who
have landed book contracts and agents because of
their blog. not kidding. myself included.


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   Posted 11/24/2008 5:31 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I blog too, partly because I like to keep a journal and never remember if I have to do it on paper. Also, I don't know any other writers in my day-to-day life so it's nice to speak to like-minded people. I also use it to set myself goals and deadlines, because I'm more likely to remember--and meet--them if they're public.

Since I'd be writing a diary anyway, I don't see it as wasted time. The opposite, in fact, as it's quicker to type than do it by hand!


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