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|  Jordan Lapp Ebony & Ivory

       Date Joined Sep 2006 Total Posts : 3293 | Posted 11/22/2008 4:25 PM (GMT -5) |   | So, predictably, my first post back on Without Really Trying generated a bit of controversy.
In it, I basically said that it was a waste of time for new writers to blog, and that they should focus on their fiction instead. I got quite a lot of people sharing their thoughts on that post, so I elaborated in a second posting here.
Obviously, I'd love for you to add your thoughts to the discussion at the blog, but if you'd rather share your thoughts here, I'd love to hear them. Jordan Lapp Managing Editor, Every Day Fiction First Place Winner, Writers of the Future Q3 2008 Visit my blog, Without Really Trying | | Back to Top | | |
   |  Jordan Lapp Ebony & Ivory

       Date Joined Sep 2006 Total Posts : 3293 | Posted 11/22/2008 5:29 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
  |  Lyn Rocinante

       Date Joined Sep 2007 Total Posts : 2042 | Posted 11/22/2008 6:05 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
 |  Jared Evers Acolyte

       Date Joined Feb 2008 Total Posts : 357 | Posted 11/22/2008 6:15 PM (GMT -5) |   | I do have a blog, but I see it as being quite useful. I try to post every morning and report on what I worked on the night before. It's not a waste of time for me, as my one post a day takes only a couple minutes to write I never post it during my writing time. In fact, it helps keeps me on track because I know I have to meet my writing goals so I'll have something to post about.
Basically, at this point the blog is mostly for my own benefit. Perhaps in time there'll be many people reading it, but for now it's a journal. Well, and it's handy in professional situations. One company I applied to for a writing position gives preferential treatment to writing samples on personal web sites. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Gustavo Sage

       Date Joined Aug 2007 Total Posts : 1874 | Posted 11/22/2008 6:21 PM (GMT -5) |   | Well, kind of. I blog every day, and it takes up about half an hour every day, between posting my own stuff and reading other's blogs. It has helped me get into touch with other authors and editors, and has actually led to at least one story being solicited for an antho, and also in a couple of extremely qualified beta readers for my novel.
I've also received comments from (and gotten to know) a few authors whose work I'd read in books from major publishers, which I feel is cool, but it's also a great way to learn.
It also forces me to write - I use the blog to keep track of word counts, and would hate to admit that "I wrote nothing. I surfed the net all day".
My blogging has served me well, so far. Website, hopefully, coming soon. Visit my livejournal! http://bondo-ba.livejournal.com/
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 |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 2017 | Posted 11/22/2008 6:37 PM (GMT -5) |   | Well, I can see the point about blogs taking away valuable writing time better spent on writing stories, novels, poetry, and the like. They can and do eat up minutes or even hours. However...
In this day of on-line social networking, blogs can be a good way to connect with people. They can be a good way to let people know who you are, and what you are doing. They are one of the many tools of self-promotion. They can help potential readers follow your growing list of publication credits, which helps promote not only your own writing, but the markets in general. I've never tried to find out if this is true numbers-wise, but I suspect that far more people find out about my latest publications through my blogs than through my web site.
I would say, if you have the time and energy, having a blog can be a worthwhile thing for an up-and-coming writer. Of course, it might be best to have that blog on a site where you can easily and readily network, make new on-line friends, and draw attention to your work.
Jordan, you are right in saying that the fiction writing should come first. Obviously, an aspiring writer might want to get a few publication credits, get something writing-related to blog about, before they go ahead and create a writer's blog. However, I don't think you necessarily have to wait to keep a blog until you've "made it", whatever that may be.
I truly believe you are not only selling products, books and magazines, but you are selling your works. You are selling the concept of you as a writer. You are always trying to sell your works to potential readers, even if money isn't involved, even if they can read them for free on the internet.
Lately, I've noticed an increase in the numbers of view of my MySpace blog. So someone is interested in what this particular poet/artist is up to. And I've really only been at this for twenty months.
Remember, we all have to start somewhere. We're all new writers at one point in our writing careers. At some pooint, you may decide to become a new blogger, too. I see no reason you can't do that sooner rather than later.
Of course, the same argument about wasting time blogging, time that could be better spent writing fiction, applies equally well to those that frequently post on forums. A bit ironic, don't you think? "I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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  |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 2017 | Posted 11/22/2008 6:52 PM (GMT -5) |   | I admit it, I spend far too much time on blogs and forums. I would probably have short-fiction credits alongside my art and poetry ones if I didn't. It can be time consuming. Still, I know I gained readers through my self-promotional efforts, people who would never have otherwise known about my work.
And, unless you are talking about major publications or novels, the money really isn't the thing. Readership is, even if the numbers are relatively small. The way I see it, the selling of my works doesn't end with an editor's acceptance. It continues on after publication as I try to sell my work to the reading public (even if they be other writers, and ESPECIALLY if they be editors).
Also, keep in mind my poetry collection was picked up by a second publisher after the first pulled out of the project IN PART because of the time I spend on a certain forum. So I think the time spent can be worthwhile, as long as it doesn't become excessive.
Budgeting time is the key. "I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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 |  Thirdy Lopez Sage

       Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 1104 | Posted 11/23/2008 1:17 AM (GMT -5) |   | I don't have either a website or a blog. I agree that budgeting time if the key, but I believe that regularly updating a blog or a website takes time. Time that MIGHT be better spent writing a novel, poems, and stories. That's just my opinion, of course. :) Aurelio Rico Lopez III aka "Thirdy" has had fiction featured in COLD FLESH (Hellbound Books), THE BLACKEST DEATH I, II, and III (Black Death Books), SPORTY SPEC: GAMES OF THE FANTASTIC (Raven Electrick Ink), STAR-SPANGLED ZOMBIE (Maniac Press), RAW MEAT (Sideshow Press), SHADOW BOX (Brimstone Press), TRIP THE LIGHT HORRIFIC (RAGE machine Books), DEAD MEN (AND WOMEN) WALKING (Bards and Sages), and THE BOOK OF SHADOWS VOL. I (Brimstone Press). His poems have appeared in Mythic Delirium, Star*Line, Dark Animus, Goblin Fruit, Scifaikuest, Electric Velocipede, Sybil's Garage, The Horror Express, Down In the Cellar, and elsewhere. | | Back to Top | | |
  |  lin Out from behind the sun

       Date Joined Aug 2007 Total Posts : 296 | Posted 11/23/2008 1:14 PM (GMT -5) |   | I agree with your advice. The net is cluttered by breathless blogs of lulu writers checking every day to tell us they ran out of kleenex or something.
Those who do post about their writing are draining off the impetus to write the damn thing.
This approaches an issue that I've been developing on some pro writer and self-publishers boards: that a fledgling writer's web presence has different goals from that of an established writer.
At first you are trying to get attention to your book and name, and traffic to your purchase point. You're young and on the make. It's hard to see how a blog fits into that, actually.
At some point you get established and your site starts being an institutional stroking of fan base and "romancing the old lady". It's kind of like the difference in ads between a newly introduced product and something Coca-Cola. Or Budweiser, that doesn't even have to mention their name: just show Clydesdales in the snow at Christmas. And spends BIG money to put in on the Superbowl.
Here's something I ran across, a rare instance where you can see both a writers old site and new site.
Here was the old one. I consider it a busy, obnoxious fire-sale piece of crap...except that it WORKED. This guy built a mediocre series by a third flight writer into a major property.
www.jakonrath.com/index.html
Now here's the new version. No sale going on, just a quiet, pretty (boring) look that maintains existing fans and shows potential new ones a writer who is all "arrived". He even has a FORUM...even riskier than a blog. www.jakonrath.com
I'd say the trap is this: using a blog INSTEAD of forging a writing career.
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  |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 2017 | Posted 11/23/2008 2:13 PM (GMT -5) |   | |
I still stand by my own personal experience regarding the upkeep of a blog for new or fairly new writers. I think it has done me some good. I got the position of Niteblade art blogger, in part, because of my own blogs. The Niteblade editor actually wished to see writing examples, preferably blogs, of each of the applicants. Being involved with a publication like Niteblade can't hurt.
The thing about blogs is you can write as little or as much as you want to. You don't have to write huge entries each time you go on you own blog. Shorter entries, entries that are brief and to the point, are better in most cases.
If a new writer is blogging instead of writing fiction, then they obviously shouldn't be blogging. However, it's not necessarily the kiss of death to a writing career if a writer can work a blog in-between fiction writing. And it might, just might, generate some interest in the writer's work.
Let me put it this way. I have blogs on MySpace, LiveJournal, Blogger, and a couple of smaller social networks. I also have it set up where my blog automatically gets posted on Facebook. They tend to be the same blog, just reflected on the various sites. I also have had over one hundred poetry publications in various venues, alongside a few non-fiction articles, one drabble, and around two-dozen or so art publications. I also have art in the Abandoned Towers Zazzle store. And I currently have two illustrated poetry collections in the works.
I think I've been able to blog and still write and draw. Granted, I have more time on my hands than most; that's why I keep several blogs. I also have stuff to sell, and I do promote in my blogs. I also post some personal stuff (to a point), examples of my poetry, insights into my own creative process, and a bit of random material.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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  |  darkbow Rabbit lord

       Date Joined Oct 2005 Total Posts : 2266 | Posted 11/23/2008 3:18 PM (GMT -5) |   | I blog mostly for myself, though I do blog about writing quite a bit. But I blog to remind myself of something, or to keep a particular piece of advice in mind, to remember certain things, etc. A handful of people do read my blog, and sometimes they comment, but I don't blog for marketing purposes.
That being said, I have made quite a few contacts because of my blog, writers and editor who I feel have moved me along through either helping me to write better or who have actually helped my "career" along somewhat. And there's just the social aspect of keeping up with certain people.
As far as blogging taking away time from writing ... I'd say that's only true if you allow it to be true. I write, re-write and/or edit 6 days a week (I usually take Saturdays off), but I don't blog nearly that often. I don't watch much TV, don't go to the movies, don't play too many video games of late ... so mostly I read and write at least in part for entertainment purposes, and then sometimes I blog or keep track of other stuff online. I'd suggest finding a balance without letting any one thing take up all your time, and that includes writing. "Beneath a Persian Sun" upcoming in Carnivah House's "Infinity Swords" anthology
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 |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 2017 | Posted 11/23/2008 5:55 PM (GMT -5) |   |
darkbow said......I'd suggest finding a balance without letting any one thing take up all your time, and that includes writing.
Well said!
I was thinking about this same concept in terms of family time, or time spent with friends. Should you spend NO time with your family, or out with friends, if it takes away from writing time? (I'm trying to apply the same logic regarding writing time used in the argument that new writers shouldn't keep a blog because it takes away from story writing time.)
Of course not, that's ridiculous! However, you shouldn't go clubbing every single night, or travelling around to every single relative every single weekend, if you want to be a serious writer.
I already worry that my writing and art take away too much of my family time. My wife has made comments in the past about being a "writer's widow" (not necessarily in those terms, but I think you know what I mean). When I get going with a project and get obsessed with working on my latest creative endeavour, it's as if she doesn't even have a spouse in the house. All she ever sees of me is the back of my head as I'm sitting at the computer either typing away or colouring in my latest illustration.
Being driven can be a benefit to anyone wanting to be a serious writer. On the other hand, being obsessed with writing to the exclusion of all else is unhealthy. Take it from someone who does come pretty darned close to crossing the line into unhealthy obsession; it can put a strain on the rest of your life.
I just have a problem with "all or nothing" attitudes, like a new writer should not have a blog at all. Maybe it should be more a question of how much time is spent on the blog, and whether or not the blog is used in a potentially constructive manner.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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    |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 2017 | Posted 11/23/2008 8:25 PM (GMT -5) |   | Another reason why I personally keep a blog is because it happens to be a way to share poems that might not really work for most publications. Sometimes I share poems about things going on in my life, or feelings that I have regarding certain issues, that I would never actually want to submit for publication. Not that these pieces are garbage, they are just too specific for the particular situation to share outside of my blog.
However, every poem I write helps me hone my poetry composing skills.
A fiction writer could share flash pieces. An artist could share sketches (I've actually seen some artists that do that).
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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  |  strange behaviour Neophyte

       Date Joined Apr 2008 Total Posts : 120 | Posted 11/24/2008 5:31 AM (GMT -5) |   | I blog too, partly because I like to keep a journal and never remember if I have to do it on paper. Also, I don't know any other writers in my day-to-day life so it's nice to speak to like-minded people. I also use it to set myself goals and deadlines, because I'm more likely to remember--and meet--them if they're public.
Since I'd be writing a diary anyway, I don't see it as wasted time. The opposite, in fact, as it's quicker to type than do it by hand! 2nd place winner, Writers of the Future 3rd Quarter 2008
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