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Posted By : crystalwizard - 12/22/2007 8:05 PM
You know there's a problem when...

...your first reader emails you and says 'why are you making me read this? What did I do to piss you off?'

Posted By : darkbow - 12/22/2007 8:31 PM
Hah! I've thought it a few times, but I try to be more diplomatic than that. :-)

I always read submitted stories from beginning to end, but honestly, if I were reading only for myself I would probably stop at about the third paragraph on most subs. I see a lot of early exposition, and situations so complicated or generic that I just don't have the interest to read on. Most subs I read could easily drop the first 500 words and it would be a better story, in my opinion. I wish a lot of writers just wouldn't try to explain so much in the beginning; readers aren't total idiots, and a little exposition inserted here and there where appropriate will work much better than a big info dump at the beginning.

On the flip side, a handful of stories that haven't caught my interest right off have proven most enjoyable later on in the tale. Usually it's because the story proper has kicked in, but sometimes its because I've finally wrapped my mind around the situation.


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Posted By : Lyn - 12/22/2007 10:50 PM
darkbow, you state my view as well...so many stories don't get off the ground until half way through and I want to tell the author to just start there! lol


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Posted By : H.P. Lovesauce - 12/26/2007 9:14 AM

Any physical description of the Mary Sue main character beyond a very short, offhand, and in-context phrase.

The sentence, "I hope you have as much fun reading this as I did writing it" in the cover letter.


Posted By : Lyn - 12/26/2007 10:41 AM
You know there's a problem when....
The cover letter outlining the author's previous works is longer than the piece s/he submitted. :-)


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Posted By : crystalwizard - 12/26/2007 8:34 PM
Lyn said...
You know there's a problem when....
The cover letter outlining the author's previous works is longer than the piece s/he submitted. :-)


The story is chick-lit romance... and you're publishing horror.

Posted By : Firlefanz - 1/1/2008 7:43 AM
... when the first paragraph contains fifteen typos and three grammar mistakes.


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Posted By : Lyn - 1/1/2008 10:13 AM
I hva know iddea what your taking about Firle!


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Posted By : Firlefanz - 1/4/2008 12:05 PM
rofl


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Posted By : RHFay - 1/4/2008 12:31 PM
Lyn said...
You know there's a problem when....
The cover letter outlining the author's previous works is longer than the piece s/he submitted. :-)

Oh no, I do that a lot! shocked


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Posted By : Hermit - 1/4/2008 1:23 PM

You know there's a problem when . . .

You're judging a sonnet contest and run into a 22-line poem with one end-rhyme, archaic diction and barbaric syntax . . . and it's one of ten by the same author who actually thought enough of his work to pay the reading fee . . . which is somewhere in a landfill with the rest of the reading fee checks . . .


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Posted By : Greybeard - 1/6/2008 9:18 PM
The submission is typed on toilet paper.

Go on, top that one.


Edwin


Posted By : darkbow - 1/6/2008 10:34 PM
The submission is typed on used toilet paper.


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"Hot Off the Press" Ray Gun Revival #25, 2007.

"Deep in the Land of the Ice and Snow" upcoming in the Flashing Swords anthology, "The Return of the Sword: A New Age of Heroic Adventure."


Posted By : erazmus - 1/6/2008 11:13 PM
Or seems to be, once you've read it.
Mike


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"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

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"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
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Posted By : erazmus - 1/6/2008 11:14 PM
The author claims the story is at the maximum word count, but its twenty-two pages longer than the other submissions.
Mike


Michael D. Turner
"Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books
www.baen.com
"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm

"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php
"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Slushpiles" in Between the Kisses
www.samsdotpublishing.com/betweenkisses/TurnerSlushPileS.htm


Posted By : Lyn - 1/8/2008 9:45 AM
darkbow you are sick! lol


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Posted By : darkbow - 1/8/2008 11:36 AM
You have no idea.

Though you might soon. I've something about ready to send for the silly stories anthology.


www.tyjohnston.blogspot.com

"Hot Off the Press" Ray Gun Revival #25, 2007.

"Deep in the Land of the Ice and Snow" upcoming in the Flashing Swords anthology, "The Return of the Sword: A New Age of Heroic Adventure."


Posted By : Lyn - 1/8/2008 11:53 AM
Ty, Looking forward to it - but first I have to catch up on all the previous subs before Crystalwizard disowns me and finds someone else to help her with the antho! lol


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Posted By : crystalwizard - 1/8/2008 2:45 PM
Quick, Ty! Flood the SA subs before Lyn has a chance to catch up! ;)


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Posted By : Hermit - 1/8/2008 3:45 PM

Your assistant editors injure themselves to avoid slushing through contest entries. And the reading fee, though small, isn't worth the time it took you to read the first ten words - so you seriously consider returning all the reading fees as they are inconsequential.

 . . . your contest entries are all 'promising' to the point that you're ready to invent (yet another) alter-ego to announce as the contest winner and spend the prize money on booze enough to keep the judges buzzed enough to keep reading - and the money for the next issue on sponges and a steam-vacuum to clean up all the vomit.


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Posted By : Hazimel - 1/9/2008 2:39 PM
H.P. Lovesauce said...
The sentence, "I hope you have as much fun reading this as I did writing it" in the cover letter.


Ouch! I'll remember not to use that phrase in the future, though I have used it in the past.


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Posted By : crystalwizard - 1/10/2008 12:53 PM
The author lists their membership in prestigious organizations and brags about all the other places they've been published. I've found with the subs coming in to FS that the more of that, there is and the more prestigious the organizations are, the worse the story is.


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Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 1/10/2008 1:12 PM
What kind of prestigious organizations? Like SFWA or something?


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Posted By : MichaelEhart - 1/10/2008 1:44 PM
The Office of the Holy See, the KGB, the Knights of Malta, and the Bavarian Illuminati.


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Posted By : von Darkmoor - 1/10/2008 1:46 PM
Boone and I were finding this to be true at Staffs & Starships, too. I'd say 'prestigious' means things like those authors who list psychology, medical, legal or other 'important' degrees and business memberships or experiences. Those things mean very very little to what I'm accepting, even looking for.


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Posted By : Lyn - 1/11/2008 10:55 PM
My prestigious clubs include Weblos, Jr Birdmen, and Friends of Smokey the Bear.


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Posted By : H.P. Lovesauce - 1/15/2008 10:35 AM
Early lines that contain either a conflict or redundancy of meaning, such as describing a land "full of verdure and green plants."

Posted By : Lyn - 1/16/2008 12:48 AM
You know when you're in trouble...
...when you come across unnaturally specific details in the narrative. Don't know what to call this type of writing crutch, but you've read it, I'm sure. Here are some examples: "She left the room, and in four and a half minutes returned." Or, "Frightened, he jumped back three feet and let out a yell."


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Posted By : M. A. Shah - 1/16/2008 1:08 AM
I did that quite often in the last story i wrote, because the story was all secret-organization spies kind of thing.
Is it a very bad thing or okay in some cases?


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Posted By : von Darkmoor - 1/16/2008 1:26 AM
well . . . . "What makes those 'secret-organization spies' have to do such things?" is a better question.


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Posted By : crystalwizard - 1/17/2008 1:10 AM
it's okay in some things, but make sure it really is necessary to be that specific. That's the sort of stuff to look for when editing.


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Posted By : DraperJC - 2/4/2008 11:35 PM
A case in point might be one of my characters with a photographic memory. He tended to answer things very specifically. That also came across in how I wrote the narrative; he'd walk 19 paces somewhere or watch a building with 7 square windows.


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