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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 11/22/2008 5:25 PM | So, predictably, my first post back on Without Really Trying generated a bit of controversy.
In it, I basically said that it was a waste of time for new writers to blog, and that they should focus on their fiction instead. I got quite a lot of people sharing their thoughts on that post, so I elaborated in a second posting here.
Obviously, I'd love for you to add your thoughts to the discussion at the blog, but if you'd rather share your thoughts here, I'd love to hear them. Jordan Lapp Managing Editor, Every Day Fiction First Place Winner, Writers of the Future Q3 2008 Visit my blog, Without Really Trying |

| Posted By : JJAC116 - 11/22/2008 6:06 PM | I was told to get a blog, by a book publicist whom I respect. And no, it's not a very popular one, but I'd like to have somewhere people can leave comments about my writing when they read it. "The City on the Rock" in Mindflights September 2008
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| Posted By : SilviaMG - 11/22/2008 6:20 PM | Jordan, I think writers should definitely get a website but on the specifics of blogging ... I have one but I don't post every day and I'm always talking about my stuff. So I don't "waste" too much time on it if you want. I doubt legions of fans are going to visit my blog. It's just a place to find my bibliography, reviews and maybe see what I'm up to writing wise, if you are interested in that. The other part of blogging is you make your private life public (it is like a diary, after all) and I have no desire to do that. Silvia's online at silviamoreno-garcia.com |

| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 11/22/2008 6:29 PM | I think, Silvia, that you have it exactly right. In my opinion, writers DO need a website, but a blog? Only if they have something to sell. The time commitment just outweighs the benefit otherwise. Jordan Lapp Managing Editor, Every Day Fiction First Place Winner, Writers of the Future Q3 2008 Visit my blog, Without Really Trying |

| Posted By : JJAC116 - 11/22/2008 7:04 PM | I don't blog very much either, it's mostly for people to find me, comment on my writing. etc. "The City on the Rock" in Mindflights September 2008
"The Tigress" in Morpheus Tales' 'Fantasy Femmes' (forthcoming)
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| Posted By : Lyn - 11/22/2008 7:05 PM | The temptation is to blog ... and not write. Lyn from ResAliens Reviewing Zines at The Fix Visit my Amazon Store! |

| Posted By : Jared Evers - 11/22/2008 7:15 PM | I do have a blog, but I see it as being quite useful. I try to post every morning and report on what I worked on the night before. It's not a waste of time for me, as my one post a day takes only a couple minutes to write I never post it during my writing time. In fact, it helps keeps me on track because I know I have to meet my writing goals so I'll have something to post about.
Basically, at this point the blog is mostly for my own benefit. Perhaps in time there'll be many people reading it, but for now it's a journal. Well, and it's handy in professional situations. One company I applied to for a writing position gives preferential treatment to writing samples on personal web sites. |

| Posted By : Gustavo - 11/22/2008 7:21 PM | Well, kind of. I blog every day, and it takes up about half an hour every day, between posting my own stuff and reading other's blogs. It has helped me get into touch with other authors and editors, and has actually led to at least one story being solicited for an antho, and also in a couple of extremely qualified beta readers for my novel.
I've also received comments from (and gotten to know) a few authors whose work I'd read in books from major publishers, which I feel is cool, but it's also a great way to learn.
It also forces me to write - I use the blog to keep track of word counts, and would hate to admit that "I wrote nothing. I surfed the net all day".
My blogging has served me well, so far. Website, hopefully, coming soon. Visit my livejournal! http://bondo-ba.livejournal.com/
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| Posted By : RHFay - 11/22/2008 7:37 PM | Well, I can see the point about blogs taking away valuable writing time better spent on writing stories, novels, poetry, and the like. They can and do eat up minutes or even hours. However...
In this day of on-line social networking, blogs can be a good way to connect with people. They can be a good way to let people know who you are, and what you are doing. They are one of the many tools of self-promotion. They can help potential readers follow your growing list of publication credits, which helps promote not only your own writing, but the markets in general. I've never tried to find out if this is true numbers-wise, but I suspect that far more people find out about my latest publications through my blogs than through my web site.
I would say, if you have the time and energy, having a blog can be a worthwhile thing for an up-and-coming writer. Of course, it might be best to have that blog on a site where you can easily and readily network, make new on-line friends, and draw attention to your work.
Jordan, you are right in saying that the fiction writing should come first. Obviously, an aspiring writer might want to get a few publication credits, get something writing-related to blog about, before they go ahead and create a writer's blog. However, I don't think you necessarily have to wait to keep a blog until you've "made it", whatever that may be.
I truly believe you are not only selling products, books and magazines, but you are selling your works. You are selling the concept of you as a writer. You are always trying to sell your works to potential readers, even if money isn't involved, even if they can read them for free on the internet.
Lately, I've noticed an increase in the numbers of view of my MySpace blog. So someone is interested in what this particular poet/artist is up to. And I've really only been at this for twenty months.
Remember, we all have to start somewhere. We're all new writers at one point in our writing careers. At some pooint, you may decide to become a new blogger, too. I see no reason you can't do that sooner rather than later.
Of course, the same argument about wasting time blogging, time that could be better spent writing fiction, applies equally well to those that frequently post on forums. A bit ironic, don't you think? "I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 11/22/2008 7:38 PM | RHFay said... Of course, the same argument about wasting time blogging, time that could be better spent writing fiction, applies equally well to those that frequently post on forums. A bit ironic, don't you think?
LOL! Et tu, Brutus??? Jordan Lapp Managing Editor, Every Day Fiction First Place Winner, Writers of the Future Q3 2008 Visit my blog, Without Really Trying |

| Posted By : RHFay - 11/22/2008 7:52 PM | I admit it, I spend far too much time on blogs and forums. I would probably have short-fiction credits alongside my art and poetry ones if I didn't. It can be time consuming. Still, I know I gained readers through my self-promotional efforts, people who would never have otherwise known about my work.
And, unless you are talking about major publications or novels, the money really isn't the thing. Readership is, even if the numbers are relatively small. The way I see it, the selling of my works doesn't end with an editor's acceptance. It continues on after publication as I try to sell my work to the reading public (even if they be other writers, and ESPECIALLY if they be editors).
Also, keep in mind my poetry collection was picked up by a second publisher after the first pulled out of the project IN PART because of the time I spend on a certain forum. So I think the time spent can be worthwhile, as long as it doesn't become excessive.
Budgeting time is the key. "I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : Thirdy Lopez - 11/23/2008 2:17 AM | I don't have either a website or a blog. I agree that budgeting time if the key, but I believe that regularly updating a blog or a website takes time. Time that MIGHT be better spent writing a novel, poems, and stories. That's just my opinion, of course. :) Aurelio Rico Lopez III aka "Thirdy" has had fiction featured in COLD FLESH (Hellbound Books), THE BLACKEST DEATH I, II, and III (Black Death Books), SPORTY SPEC: GAMES OF THE FANTASTIC (Raven Electrick Ink), STAR-SPANGLED ZOMBIE (Maniac Press), RAW MEAT (Sideshow Press), SHADOW BOX (Brimstone Press), TRIP THE LIGHT HORRIFIC (RAGE machine Books), DEAD MEN (AND WOMEN) WALKING (Bards and Sages), and THE BOOK OF SHADOWS VOL. I (Brimstone Press). His poems have appeared in Mythic Delirium, Star*Line, Dark Animus, Goblin Fruit, Scifaikuest, Electric Velocipede, Sybil's Garage, The Horror Express, Down In the Cellar, and elsewhere. |

| Posted By : gwthomas21 - 11/23/2008 1:01 PM | I think the trick is to use your blog not as a promotional tool but as a genuine expression of what you like a writer and a fan. My new blog is taking up some of my time but it hasn't stopped me from writing. If anything it has sparked some new ideas.
GW
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| Posted By : lin - 11/23/2008 2:14 PM | I agree with your advice. The net is cluttered by breathless blogs of lulu writers checking every day to tell us they ran out of kleenex or something.
Those who do post about their writing are draining off the impetus to write the damn thing.
This approaches an issue that I've been developing on some pro writer and self-publishers boards: that a fledgling writer's web presence has different goals from that of an established writer.
At first you are trying to get attention to your book and name, and traffic to your purchase point. You're young and on the make. It's hard to see how a blog fits into that, actually.
At some point you get established and your site starts being an institutional stroking of fan base and "romancing the old lady". It's kind of like the difference in ads between a newly introduced product and something Coca-Cola. Or Budweiser, that doesn't even have to mention their name: just show Clydesdales in the snow at Christmas. And spends BIG money to put in on the Superbowl.
Here's something I ran across, a rare instance where you can see both a writers old site and new site.
Here was the old one. I consider it a busy, obnoxious fire-sale piece of crap...except that it WORKED. This guy built a mediocre series by a third flight writer into a major property.
www.jakonrath.com/index.html
Now here's the new version. No sale going on, just a quiet, pretty (boring) look that maintains existing fans and shows potential new ones a writer who is all "arrived". He even has a FORUM...even riskier than a blog. www.jakonrath.com
I'd say the trap is this: using a blog INSTEAD of forging a writing career.
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| Posted By : lin - 11/23/2008 2:17 PM | That said, at the very beginning writers who aren't comfortable with tech or leaking money can find a blog a good ALTERNATIVE to a website. No need to register domains and all that, and a blog can do pretty much anything a website can. Including links to your purchase points and website once you get one.
And it's not really that much harder to remember www.tomjones.bloger.com than www.jakonrath.com
AND, if you're name's tom jones, you can probably find a free blog site where you can get a URL like that, and there is no way you're going to get tomjones.com or billpeterson.com or whatever. LINTON ROBINSON.com
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| Posted By : RHFay - 11/23/2008 3:13 PM | |
I still stand by my own personal experience regarding the upkeep of a blog for new or fairly new writers. I think it has done me some good. I got the position of Niteblade art blogger, in part, because of my own blogs. The Niteblade editor actually wished to see writing examples, preferably blogs, of each of the applicants. Being involved with a publication like Niteblade can't hurt.
The thing about blogs is you can write as little or as much as you want to. You don't have to write huge entries each time you go on you own blog. Shorter entries, entries that are brief and to the point, are better in most cases.
If a new writer is blogging instead of writing fiction, then they obviously shouldn't be blogging. However, it's not necessarily the kiss of death to a writing career if a writer can work a blog in-between fiction writing. And it might, just might, generate some interest in the writer's work.
Let me put it this way. I have blogs on MySpace, LiveJournal, Blogger, and a couple of smaller social networks. I also have it set up where my blog automatically gets posted on Facebook. They tend to be the same blog, just reflected on the various sites. I also have had over one hundred poetry publications in various venues, alongside a few non-fiction articles, one drabble, and around two-dozen or so art publications. I also have art in the Abandoned Towers Zazzle store. And I currently have two illustrated poetry collections in the works.
I think I've been able to blog and still write and draw. Granted, I have more time on my hands than most; that's why I keep several blogs. I also have stuff to sell, and I do promote in my blogs. I also post some personal stuff (to a point), examples of my poetry, insights into my own creative process, and a bit of random material.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : RHFay - 11/23/2008 3:33 PM | Another point - I've made contacts with poets, writers and editors through some of the social networks where I keep blogs, contacts I probably would have never made otherwise (I'm a bit of a recluse). I guess this could be argued to be a bit different from blogs specifically, but I already mentioned earlier that I think blogs should be associated with some sort of network to make connections. An unread blog is indeed a useless one.
Just recently, I found out about the possibility of PodCastle accepting fantasy poetry through a Live Journal entry by one of my LJ friends. I would never have known about this is I didn't have a presence on LJ, if I hadn't made friends through LJ, and if I never read friends' entries.
It can be useful, you just have to figure out how to put it to good use. "I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : darkbow - 11/23/2008 4:18 PM | I blog mostly for myself, though I do blog about writing quite a bit. But I blog to remind myself of something, or to keep a particular piece of advice in mind, to remember certain things, etc. A handful of people do read my blog, and sometimes they comment, but I don't blog for marketing purposes.
That being said, I have made quite a few contacts because of my blog, writers and editor who I feel have moved me along through either helping me to write better or who have actually helped my "career" along somewhat. And there's just the social aspect of keeping up with certain people.
As far as blogging taking away time from writing ... I'd say that's only true if you allow it to be true. I write, re-write and/or edit 6 days a week (I usually take Saturdays off), but I don't blog nearly that often. I don't watch much TV, don't go to the movies, don't play too many video games of late ... so mostly I read and write at least in part for entertainment purposes, and then sometimes I blog or keep track of other stuff online. I'd suggest finding a balance without letting any one thing take up all your time, and that includes writing. "Beneath a Persian Sun" upcoming in Carnivah House's "Infinity Swords" anthology
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| Posted By : RHFay - 11/23/2008 6:55 PM |
darkbow said......I'd suggest finding a balance without letting any one thing take up all your time, and that includes writing.
Well said!
I was thinking about this same concept in terms of family time, or time spent with friends. Should you spend NO time with your family, or out with friends, if it takes away from writing time? (I'm trying to apply the same logic regarding writing time used in the argument that new writers shouldn't keep a blog because it takes away from story writing time.)
Of course not, that's ridiculous! However, you shouldn't go clubbing every single night, or travelling around to every single relative every single weekend, if you want to be a serious writer.
I already worry that my writing and art take away too much of my family time. My wife has made comments in the past about being a "writer's widow" (not necessarily in those terms, but I think you know what I mean). When I get going with a project and get obsessed with working on my latest creative endeavour, it's as if she doesn't even have a spouse in the house. All she ever sees of me is the back of my head as I'm sitting at the computer either typing away or colouring in my latest illustration.
Being driven can be a benefit to anyone wanting to be a serious writer. On the other hand, being obsessed with writing to the exclusion of all else is unhealthy. Take it from someone who does come pretty darned close to crossing the line into unhealthy obsession; it can put a strain on the rest of your life.
I just have a problem with "all or nothing" attitudes, like a new writer should not have a blog at all. Maybe it should be more a question of how much time is spent on the blog, and whether or not the blog is used in a potentially constructive manner.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : Jared Evers - 11/23/2008 7:07 PM |
RHFay said...
I just have a problem with "all or nothing" attitudes, like a new writer should not have a blog at all. Maybe it should be more a question of how much time is spent on the blog, and whether or not the blog is used in a potentially constructive manner.
I completely agree with you here. It's similar to saying you shouldn't drink beer because you'll become an alcoholic if you do. Some people might, yes, but it's certainly not a given. |

| Posted By : RHFay - 11/23/2008 7:20 PM | Hello. My name is Richard. I'm addicted to poetry.
Maybe I shouldn't write poetry. Poetry does take time away from time spent writing short-stories or novels.
Of course, poetry has certainly gotten my name out there. Poetry has led to other things.
Admitedly, poetry composition is a constructive use of time, if not a very profitable one.
Still, there's probably more potential to make more with short-stories and novels.
So, to heck with poetry! Or, then again, maybe not.
(I admit it. I'm being a bit silly now.) "I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : crystalwizard - 11/23/2008 9:13 PM | New writers need a blog if for no other reason than it helps them develop discipline.
Get a blog Make a sechedule write something on it ON SCHEDULE
Two valuable skills being improved and polished at the same time. Every word they write builds their ability to write and learning to stick to the schedule will be invaluable through their entire writing career.
The added benefit is that if they use feedburner and people find out about their blog, they'll start developing a readership that'll be interested when they start publishing their work in other places. New content added on a regular basis.
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| Posted By : RHFay - 11/23/2008 9:25 PM | Another reason why I personally keep a blog is because it happens to be a way to share poems that might not really work for most publications. Sometimes I share poems about things going on in my life, or feelings that I have regarding certain issues, that I would never actually want to submit for publication. Not that these pieces are garbage, they are just too specific for the particular situation to share outside of my blog.
However, every poem I write helps me hone my poetry composing skills.
A fiction writer could share flash pieces. An artist could share sketches (I've actually seen some artists that do that).
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : xiaotien - 11/23/2008 9:33 PM | the internet is the best free publicity you can have. yes, website is important, but readers like change in content. that's where the blog comes in. i LOVE my blog. i make it a priority--it's very important to my writing, as well as community, as well as promotion.
a blog is only any good if you are dedicated to it, i think, and update frequently. nothing's worse than an author with a last blog post from 2007. ugh.
and i can't tell you how many people i know who have landed book contracts and agents because of their blog. not kidding. myself included. SILVER PHOENIX : Beyond the Kingdom of Xia greenwillow / harpercollins summer '09
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| Posted By : strange behaviour - 11/24/2008 6:31 AM | I blog too, partly because I like to keep a journal and never remember if I have to do it on paper. Also, I don't know any other writers in my day-to-day life so it's nice to speak to like-minded people. I also use it to set myself goals and deadlines, because I'm more likely to remember--and meet--them if they're public.
Since I'd be writing a diary anyway, I don't see it as wasted time. The opposite, in fact, as it's quicker to type than do it by hand! 2nd place winner, Writers of the Future 3rd Quarter 2008
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 11/24/2008 2:39 PM | Thanks for your thoughts guys. It seems like diary blogging is pretty popular, but I haven't seen anything that convinces me that blogging is a good business decision for a new writer.
Cindy, I concede that blogging might have netted a few business contracts, but it's like saying people should self-publish because of Paolini. I'm sure your blog was unique and compelling AND your writing is great--but that certainly isn't the case for most of the writer blogs out there. Jordan Lapp Managing Editor, Every Day Fiction First Place Winner, Writers of the Future Q3 2008 Visit my blog, Without Really Trying |

| Posted By : RHFay - 11/24/2008 3:23 PM | |
Jordan, it appears that this is another of those instances where we will have to agree to disagree.
Writing is a bit of a gamble. You can do things to help increase your chances, and talent and skill do help, but a lot still seems to boil down to pure luck. You never know when success will strike, or if it will strike at all. Saying that blogs aren't helpful to the business of writing because they might not net most blogging writers big contracts is like saying writing itself is not worthwhile because most writing projects won't net big contracts.
Using this argument, why write at all? Or why write poetry or short stories if novels are the only things that are really, truly worthwhile? (Says the poet who wonders all of the time if he is wasting his time.)
I'll add this to my growing list of reasons to keep my own blogs - I would never have gotten most of the votes for my poems in various readers-favourite contests if I didn't blog about voting for them on networks like MySpace and Live Journal, as well as post about it on forums. I don't have a lot of real-life friends, and I'm just starting to make contacts in the local art and writing community, so the only way I can connect with large numbers of people is through my social network blogs. I truly believe that "Battle in the Dark Castle" appeared in Arcane Whispers Volume 1, Best of Sorcerous Signals 2007, "Corpse-Candles" appeared in Lost Innocence: A Niteblade Anthology, and "Explorers" will appear in Wondrous Web Worlds, in part because of my blogging and forum posting about voting for each of these works.
Going back to that whole luck thing, I think blogging can, under certain circumstances, increase your luck. Maybe my situation is another unique one, but I stand by my own personal experiences. For me, blogging has been worthwhile. Individual results may vary.
By the way, I feel that my blog is such an important part of my whole "writing persona", that I have now included a link to my Blogger blog in my SFReader signature. This discussion made me realize that I should have added the link weeks ago (always trying to get more people to read my blog).
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : xiaotien - 11/24/2008 3:54 PM | Jordan Lapp said... Thanks for your thoughts guys. It seems like diary blogging is pretty popular, but I haven't seen anything that convinces me that blogging is a good business decision for a new writer.
Cindy, I concede that blogging might have netted a few business contracts, but it's like saying people should self-publish because of Paolini. I'm sure your blog was unique and compelling AND your writing is great--but that certainly isn't the case for most of the writer blogs out there.
ha! thanks, jordan. i'd like to say that my blog is the bee's knees, but it ain't.
just be aware that agents and editors are googling out there. i wouldn't have my childrens picture book contract if it weren't for my blog. (my editor searched for me online after she finished reading my novel to find out more about me.)
i know a girl who writes YA chick lit and had her prose on her site. her agent approached her after finding her blog. another got n sobel as his agent because of his blog (which didn't have that many readers, mind you, but he had the content out there).
i know that editors from my house have clicked over and contacted some people that *i* read, due to what they are saying they write and share on their blog.
do NOT underestimate it. if you have the time and can keep a blog / website. it doesn't hurt. and a writer needs every help s/he can get. and that's the truth. SILVER PHOENIX : Beyond the Kingdom of Xia greenwillow / harpercollins summer '09
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 11/24/2008 3:59 PM | xiaotien said...
just be aware that agents and editors are googling out there. i wouldn't have my childrens picture book contract if it weren't for my blog. (my editor searched for me online after she finished reading my novel to find out more about me.)
Okay, but there you go. Your agent looked for your blog AFTER she'd read your novel, not before. Jordan Lapp Managing Editor, Every Day Fiction First Place Winner, Writers of the Future Q3 2008 Visit my blog, Without Really Trying |

| Posted By : RHFay - 11/24/2008 4:09 PM | |
Maybe I understand a little better now. If the question is "should new writers have writing blogs before they actually have any writing out there?", then the answer is probably no. The writing of short-fiction (or novels, or poetry, or whatever) for publication elsewhere should take priority. But if the question is "should new writers with some works out there keep a blog?", then the answer may be yes.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : xiaotien - 11/24/2008 4:12 PM | jordan, true. but my online acquaintances didn't have anyone reading their works.
they were simply googled and found. and offered representation.
no sh*t.
let me amend this : googled, found, offered agent rep, books sold! multiple book deals!
it's true, it doesn't happen to everyone. but if you enjoy it and it doesn't take from real writing time, it can't hurt to be out there online. SILVER PHOENIX : Beyond the Kingdom of Xia greenwillow / harpercollins summer '09
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 11/24/2008 4:16 PM | xiaotien said...
but if you enjoy it and it doesn't take from real writing time, it can't hurt to be out there online.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Jordan Lapp Managing Editor, Every Day Fiction First Place Winner, Writers of the Future Q3 2008 Visit my blog, Without Really Trying |

| Posted By : RHFay - 11/24/2008 4:24 PM |
Jordan Lapp said...
xiaotien said...
but if you enjoy it and it doesn't take from real writing time, it can't hurt to be out there online. I think you hit the nail on the head here.
But that's different than saying that new writers shouldn't keep blogs at all. Apparently, there are occasions when a blog can indeed help a writer's career, as long as keeping that blog doesn't consume too much time. We then come back to the whole idea of budgeting time, keeping to a schedule, setting aside some time for blogging in-between writing for publication.
That's not necessarily a bad, or worthless, thing for a writer to do.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : crystalwizard - 11/24/2008 4:31 PM | The thing that I both enjoy, and find frustrating, with most of the people who participate in these sorts of discussions is that they all seem to feel that THEIR opinion is RIGHT (which is fine) and that it is THE ONLY ONE that is RIGHT (which is not fine).
I'd truly love to see one of these discussions wind up with people all posting about how 'hmm, that's an interesting take on the idea' instead of "well, I see what you're saying but I don't agree"
like that'll ever happen. New content added on a regular basis.
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 11/24/2008 4:35 PM | Richard, My point was that professional writers should treat writing like a business, and make a business decision on whether or not to blog.
CW, Unless I'm mistaken there was a lot of agreement on this thread just now. Jordan Lapp Managing Editor, Every Day Fiction First Place Winner, Writers of the Future Q3 2008 Visit my blog, Without Really Trying |

| Posted By : xiaotien - 11/24/2008 4:55 PM | i stick with my original opinion : blogs = best free advertising EVER
having said that, blogs are not for everyone. don't do it if you can't maintain it!
CW, no one ever changes anyone on their opinions in forums, do they? hahaha! i've yet to see it myself. but it does lead to interesting discussions, which i truly enjoy. SILVER PHOENIX : Beyond the Kingdom of Xia greenwillow / harpercollins summer '09
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 11/24/2008 4:58 PM | Really? I went from "new writers should not", to "okay, under certain circumstances it's okay". How is that not changing? Jordan Lapp Managing Editor, Every Day Fiction First Place Winner, Writers of the Future Q3 2008 Visit my blog, Without Really Trying |

| Posted By : RHFay - 11/24/2008 4:59 PM |
Jordan Lapp said...Richard, My point was that professional writers should treat writing like a business, and make a business decision on whether or not to blog.
Well, now we're shifting from "new" writers to "professional" ones, which might not always be one and the same.
Certain "professional" writers might actually have someone setting up their web sites for them, sites that might even have their own embedded blogs (depending on how "profesisonal" you're talking about).
My point - even for the "new" writer, you never know what your blog might actually lead to. And you will never find out if you never had a blog.
Like Cindy said, it can't hurt to be on-line.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : xiaotien - 11/24/2008 5:06 PM | Jordan Lapp said... Really? I went from "new writers should not", to "okay, under certain circumstances it's okay". How is that not changing?
oh! i was just talking about myself. =)
and i never expect to change anyone else's mind. i'm surprised you did.
ha!! SILVER PHOENIX : Beyond the Kingdom of Xia greenwillow / harpercollins summer '09
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| Posted By : RHFay - 11/24/2008 5:16 PM |
crystalwizard said...The thing that I both enjoy, and find frustrating, with most of the people who participate in these sorts of discussions is that they all seem to feel that THEIR opinion is RIGHT (which is fine) and that it is THE ONLY ONE that is RIGHT (which is not fine). I'd truly love to see one of these discussions wind up with people all posting about how 'hmm, that's an interesting take on the idea' instead of "well, I see what you're saying but I don't agree" like that'll ever happen.
The day Jordan and I agree on most things, watch out! "Cause when that happens, the end of the world must be near! Armageddon's a comin'! (a joke, just a joke)
On a more serious note...I said earlier, this may be one of those instances where Jordan and I will have to agree to disagree, to a point. However, I perceive some middle ground developing. Jordan just admitted that it might be okay for new writers to keep blogs, under certain circumstances. And I certainly agree that it is not a good thing if it takes away too much time from writing for publication.
Of course, my wife has complained in the past that I am just wasting my time in these forum discussions because nobody ever seems to really change their opinions. All too often it does seem to become a case of "my opinion is the ONLY right opinion". Hopefully, that's not entirely true in this particular case.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : crystalwizard - 11/24/2008 5:18 PM | RHFay said... Well, now we're shifting from "new" writers to "professional" ones, which might not always be one and the same.
Certain "professional" writers might actually have someone setting up their web sites for them, sites that might even have their own embedded blogs (depending on how "profesisonal" you're talking about).
I've got some input on part of that which you guys probably don't know about.
I've just signed a promotion/marketing contract with a firm to promote one of my author's books.
There WILL be a blog.
My author WONT be updating it
He will write 50 short articles and give them to the company. THEY will be updating it as if they were him.
They'll also repurpose those articles and use them for various other syndication functions.
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| Posted By : RHFay - 11/24/2008 5:26 PM |
crystalwizard said...
RHFay said... Well, now we're shifting from "new" writers to "professional" ones, which might not always be one and the same.
Certain "professional" writers might actually have someone setting up their web sites for them, sites that might even have their own embedded blogs (depending on how "profesisonal" you're talking about). I've got some input on part of that which you guys probably don't know about. I've just signed a promotion/marketing contract with a firm to promote one of my author's books. There WILL be a blog. My author WONT be updating it He will write 50 short articles and give them to the company. THEY will be updating it as if they were him. They'll also repurpose those articles and use them for various other syndication functions. Now. Ask yourself just how many professional authors who have blogs are actually doing their own blogging. Just as I suspected, some might not even be doing their own blogging. And obviously this firm feels that blogging is one worthwhile aspect of the whole promotional experience. "I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : RHFay - 11/24/2008 5:29 PM | Unfortunately, new writers don't have the luxury of having their web sites and/or blogs set up for them. They have to set them up themselves. And it can be a bit of work. "I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : crystalwizard - 11/24/2008 5:39 PM | RHFay said... Just as I suspected, some might not even be doing their own blogging.
Quite a few aren't. They don't have time. A lot are, but not all. The ones that talk about what they had for breakfast and needing to go buy kleenex might not even be doing their own blogging for all you know.
RHFay said... And obviously this firm feels that blogging is one worthwhile aspect of the whole promotional experience.
Oh yeah. It's not just "Worthwhile", it's "critical". |

| Posted By : RHFay - 11/24/2008 6:18 PM |
crystalwizard said...
RHFay said... Just as I suspected, some might not even be doing their own blogging. Quite a few aren't. They don't have time. A lot are, but not all. The ones that talk about what they had for breakfast and needing to go buy kleenex might not even be doing their own blogging for all you know.
RHFay said... And obviously this firm feels that blogging is one worthwhile aspect of the whole promotional experience. Oh yeah. It's not just "Worthwhile", it's "critical". I know of many writers, poets, and artists with blogs on Live Journal. Live Journal in particular seems to be a writer's hang-out. I'm sure most of the writers there are still posting entries all by themselves. Some are even fairly successful and/or established writers, poets, and artists. And some are what could be considered "new" writers.
I tend to skim over the entries about buying kleenex and that sort of thing. The closest I've come to posting stuff like that is when I mentioned the fact that I had another of my pesky ear infections. I'm terribly prone to ear infections, a nasty quirk of my existence. Usually my posts are related to writing or art or current events or history or self-promotion. I sometimes do those silly quizzes you see on LJ and post the results, just for fun.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 11/24/2008 6:21 PM | On that note, I just wanted to mention that I discovered a plugin for Wordpress that will syndicate your blog postings to your live journal account. Take a look at jlapp.livejournal.com to see what I mean. Jordan Lapp Managing Editor, Every Day Fiction First Place Winner, Writers of the Future Q3 2008 Visit my blog, Without Really Trying |

| Posted By : crystalwizard - 11/24/2008 6:47 PM | Jordan Lapp said... On that note, I just wanted to mention that I discovered a plugin for Wordpress that will syndicate your blog postings to your live journal account. Take a look at jlapp.livejournal.com to see what I mean.
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| Posted By : Flashg - 11/24/2008 9:42 PM | To blog or not to blog, that is the question. Whether tis nobler in the net to suffer the urls and nttps Of outrageous obscurity, Or to take arms Against a sea of anonymity And by opposing, end it? To sleep; to dream, No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That bloggers are heir to, 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To have a web site, to blog; To email: perchance to flame: ay, there's the rub; For in that blog of rage what dreams may come When we have shuffled off this mortal gigabyte, Must give us pause: there's the respect That makes calamity of so long life . . . John M. Whalen
Fire Creek, March 2009, Science Fiction Trails.
This Raygun for Hire: The Alexander Cochran Affair, Coming Soon, Raygun Revival
Tragon and the Scorpion Woman, Universe Pathways (print), July 2006
The Violent World of Sam Peckinpah, The Astrology of Film (print)
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| Posted By : Ramon Rozas - 11/24/2008 10:37 PM | Bravo! Bravo! Encore
More seriously, my problem with blogging is that I never seem to have anything to say, other than cliches. What do I talk about? "Your writing," they say. Yes, but what do I *say* about it? |

| Posted By : Flashg - 11/24/2008 11:37 PM |
Ramon Rozas said... Bravo! Bravo! Encore
More seriously, my problem with blogging is that I never seem to have anything to say, other than cliches. What do I talk about? "Your writing," they say. Yes, but what do I *say* about it? Not having anything to say other than cliches doesn't seem to bother most bloggers. They do blather on.
Have you heard? J.D. Salinger has a blog: He signs on everyday and leaves a blank page.
John M. Whalen
Fire Creek, March 2009, Science Fiction Trails.
This Raygun for Hire: The Alexander Cochran Affair, Coming Soon, Raygun Revival
Tragon and the Scorpion Woman, Universe Pathways (print), July 2006
The Violent World of Sam Peckinpah, The Astrology of Film (print)
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| Posted By : darkbow - 11/24/2008 11:46 PM | Blog about other stuff you are interested in besides writing, maybe even tying it in with your writing somehow. Hobbies. Movies. Whatever. Cindy blogs about her painting and her family and travels AND her writing. I blog about books I read and sometimes silly stuff. Steve Goble sometimes blogs about family or politics. "Beneath a Persian Sun" upcoming in Carnivah House's "Infinity Swords" anthology
"The Death of Lester Williams" in the anthology Deadlines, "Peter Piker the Pankin Man" at Big Pulp, "Day Trip" at Demonic Tome, "Deep in the Land of the Ice and Snow" in "The Return of the Sword" anthology, "The Note" at Every Day Fiction, "Walking Between the Rain" at Every Day Fiction, "The Unconquered Mage" at Static Movement, "A Dragon's Tale" at Aphelion, "Terror in the Flare Lights" at The Tiny Globule, "Killing Just for Fun" at Demonic Tome, "Zombie Tears" at Tales of the Zombie War, "Steven Spielberg and The Magic Box" at The Ranfurly Review, "The Death of Lester Williams" at Crimson Highway, "Hot Off the Press" at Ray Gun Revival
www.tyjohnston.blogspot.com
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| Posted By : xiaotien - 11/25/2008 1:20 AM | ty, and food! don't forget about the food! ;*) SILVER PHOENIX : Beyond the Kingdom of Xia greenwillow / harpercollins summer '09
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| Posted By : darkbow - 11/25/2008 3:43 AM | Ah, yes, food! Cyn, I'm half-expecting to see a cookbook from you someday, probably full of photos or brush paintings. "Beneath a Persian Sun" upcoming in Carnivah House's "Infinity Swords" anthology
"The Death of Lester Williams" in the anthology Deadlines, "Peter Piker the Pankin Man" at Big Pulp, "Day Trip" at Demonic Tome, "Deep in the Land of the Ice and Snow" in "The Return of the Sword" anthology, "The Note" at Every Day Fiction, "Walking Between the Rain" at Every Day Fiction, "The Unconquered Mage" at Static Movement, "A Dragon's Tale" at Aphelion, "Terror in the Flare Lights" at The Tiny Globule, "Killing Just for Fun" at Demonic Tome, "Zombie Tears" at Tales of the Zombie War, "Steven Spielberg and The Magic Box" at The Ranfurly Review, "The Death of Lester Williams" at Crimson Highway, "Hot Off the Press" at Ray Gun Revival
www.tyjohnston.blogspot.com
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| Posted By : xiaotien - 11/25/2008 2:37 PM | ty, unfortunately, i just like to eat. i hate to cook. haha!! pity, as my mom is such a great chinese cook.
look at all the short stories you've got out. i'm so impressed! SILVER PHOENIX : Beyond the Kingdom of Xia greenwillow / harpercollins summer '09
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| Posted By : RHFay - 11/25/2008 3:31 PM | It appears that blogs may put blogging writers at a slight advantage over non-blogging writers. So, using that logic, tis better to blog than not to blog. "I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : RHFay - 11/25/2008 3:38 PM |
John M. Whalen said...
Ramon Rozas said... Bravo! Bravo! Encore
More seriously, my problem with blogging is that I never seem to have anything to say, other than cliches. What do I talk about? "Your writing," they say. Yes, but what do I *say* about it? Not having anything to say other than cliches doesn't seem to bother most bloggers. They do blather on.
Have you heard? J.D. Salinger has a blog: He signs on everyday and leaves a blank page.
I've been called a "walking cliche", not in regards to my own blog, but in regard to comments I made elsewhere. Still, I apparently live and breathe cliche. And people still seem to read my blogs.
Anyway, some of my blogging writer friends who occasionally give tips on blogging do suggest mixing up your subject matter. Talk about things outside of writing as well as writing-related subjects.
Often times I turn comments I've made on other people's blogs into an entry on my own blog.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : darkbow - 11/25/2008 5:35 PM | Cyn, I'll trade ya. I'll send you my short stories. You send me your contract. Sound fair?  "Beneath a Persian Sun" upcoming in Carnivah House's "Infinity Swords" anthology
"The Death of Lester Williams" in the anthology Deadlines, "Peter Piker the Pankin Man" at Big Pulp, "Day Trip" at Demonic Tome, "Deep in the Land of the Ice and Snow" in "The Return of the Sword" anthology, "The Note" at Every Day Fiction, "Walking Between the Rain" at Every Day Fiction, "The Unconquered Mage" at Static Movement, "A Dragon's Tale" at Aphelion, "Terror in the Flare Lights" at The Tiny Globule, "Killing Just for Fun" at Demonic Tome, "Zombie Tears" at Tales of the Zombie War, "Steven Spielberg and The Magic Box" at The Ranfurly Review, "The Death of Lester Williams" at Crimson Highway, "Hot Off the Press" at Ray Gun Revival
www.tyjohnston.blogspot.com
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| Posted By : xiaotien - 11/25/2008 8:29 PM | ty, haha! if you want to be known as the YA asian fantasy writer with the pretty pink cover, then sure! ;*)
besides, you'll be getting your own contracts. i have no doubt. SILVER PHOENIX : Beyond the Kingdom of Xia greenwillow / harpercollins summer '09
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| Posted By : Bill Ward - 11/26/2008 8:01 PM | John M. Whalen said... Have you heard? J.D. Salinger has a blog: He signs on everyday and leaves a blank page.
I've just added my two cents, which you can read here: Should Beginning Writers Blog?
And Jordan, if your posts keep causing this much discussion, you might just prove yourself wrong about the promotional aspects of a blog.  For fantasy, science fiction, and horror news, books reviews, opinion, and short fiction, check out: BillWardWriter.com |

| Posted By : crystalwizard - 11/29/2008 2:03 AM | RHFay said... It appears that blogs may put blogging writers at a slight advantage over non-blogging writers. So, using that logic, tis better to blog than not to blog.
To blog, or not to blog: that is the question: Whether 'tis better for the reader to suffer The boring ramblings of a blathering author, Or to forgo such tripe, And close the browser? To read: to think; No more; and by thinking to say our brains engage and the thousands of words That flash before our eyes... 'tis a consternation to be avoided. To read, to think; To think: perchance to dream: aye, there's the rub; For in those dreams and far off imaginings we find our favorite author is rambling on about, the last roll of toilet paper: there's no respect for the poor, downtrodden reader; For who would bear to read about last night's supper, The burned potatoes, the flat beer, The gastronomic pangs of distress, the in law's visit, The insolence of house cats and the piddling new puppy That spoilt the brand new carpet, When the author himself might better spend his time Writing something of substance? Something interesting, That holds the reader's attention and enthralls, But now we dread the words which seem worse than death, The agony of weary brains and tired eyes that the latest blog entry has forced upon us to sap our will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to other blogs that we know not of?
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| Posted By : darkbow - 11/29/2008 4:12 AM | 'cause tramps like us, baby, we were born to write.
(with apologies to the Boss) "Beneath a Persian Sun" upcoming in Carnivah House's "Infinity Swords" anthology
"The Death of Lester Williams" in the anthology Deadlines, "Peter Piker the Pankin Man" at Big Pulp, "Day Trip" at Demonic Tome, "Deep in the Land of the Ice and Snow" in "The Return of the Sword" anthology, "The Note" at Every Day Fiction, "Walking Between the Rain" at Every Day Fiction, "The Unconquered Mage" at Static Movement, "A Dragon's Tale" at Aphelion, "Terror in the Flare Lights" at The Tiny Globule, "Killing Just for Fun" at Demonic Tome, "Zombie Tears" at Tales of the Zombie War, "Steven Spielberg and The Magic Box" at The Ranfurly Review, "The Death of Lester Williams" at Crimson Highway, "Hot Off the Press" at Ray Gun Revival
www.tyjohnston.blogspot.com
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| Posted By : xiaotien - 11/29/2008 1:32 PM |  SILVER PHOENIX : Beyond the Kingdom of Xia greenwillow / harpercollins summer '09
http://cindypon.com |

| Posted By : Flashg - 11/29/2008 4:31 PM |
crystalwizard said...
RHFay said... It appears that blogs may put blogging writers at a slight advantage over non-blogging writers. So, using that logic, tis better to blog than not to blog. To blog, or not to blog: that is the question: Whether 'tis better for the reader to suffer The boring ramblings of a blathering author, Or to forgo such tripe, And close the browser? To read: to think; No more; and by thinking to say our brains engage and the thousands of words That flash before our eyes... 'tis a consternation to be avoided. To read, to think; To think: perchance to dream: aye, there's the rub; For in those dreams and far off imaginings we find our favorite author is rambling on about, the last roll of toilet paper: there's no respect for the poor, downtrodden reader; For who would bear to read about last night's supper, The burned potatoes, the flat beer, The gastronomic pangs of distress, the in law's visit, The insolence of house cats and the piddling new puppy That spoilt the brand new carpet, When the author himself might better spend his time Writing something of substance? Something interesting, That holds the reader's attention and enthralls, But now we dread the words which seem worse than death, The agony of weary brains and tired eyes that the latest blog entry has forced upon us to sap our will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to other blogs that we know not of? (with apologies to William Shakespeare)
Hey, I already did this! What is this? Trying to outdo me? Get your own ideas, lady wizard. Although, it's not bad.
However, as Pete the 400 year old parrot who belonged to Will S. once told archy the cockroach, he never wanted to write blogs. He preferred sonnets. But there aint no money in poetry and a man's got to make a living. So he wrote those bloody dramas. About blogs, Will once opined:
"A sound and fury, signifying nothing!"
John M. Whalen
Fire Creek, March 2009, Science Fiction Trails.
This Raygun for Hire: The Alexander Cochran Affair, Coming Soon, Raygun Revival
Tragon and the Scorpion Woman, Universe Pathways (print), July 2006
The Violent World of Sam Peckinpah, The Astrology of Film (print)
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| Posted By : crystalwizard - 11/29/2008 6:17 PM | John M. Whalen said... Hey, I already did this! What is this? Trying to outdo me? Get your own ideas, lady wizard. Although, it's not bad.
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| Posted By : RHFay - 12/3/2008 12:57 PM | More evidence from the personal experience files that writers' blogs can be useful...
The other day, one of my newer Live Journal friends told me that she was going through my catalog of on-line poetry, reading through all of my works. She became so interested in my poetry that she has been reading my posts and publications from several months back.
Yes, a blog can, under certain circumstances, get you more readers. Perhaps the example I mentioned above is just one reader, but I would like to think that each and every reader is important. It's like votes in a democratic system; every vote counts. Every reader counts, in part because you never know who they know, who they talk to, who they might persuade to read your work.
Of course, as I've said before, you have to have something to promote to promote something. Building a budding list of publication credits should probably come first, prior to work on the blog(s). "I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : xiaotien - 12/3/2008 2:09 PM | publication credits are always good-- alas, my forte seems to be just random babbling online. haha!
do what you're good at?
i do write, too. honest.
and way to reel them in with your poetry, rh! awesome! SILVER PHOENIX : Beyond the Kingdom of Xia greenwillow / harpercollins summer '09
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| Posted By : Mr. D - 12/3/2008 2:26 PM | Have we defined "new writer" yet? Poetry Collection Co-authored with Sio -- After the Vows: Poems Between Lovers
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| Posted By : RHFay - 12/3/2008 3:03 PM |
Hermit said...Have we defined "new writer" yet?
Ah, that could be at the heart of the matter, the definition of "new writer".
I still consider myself a fairly "new" speculative poet, since I've really been at it less than two years. And I created my first blog around the first of the year (2008). So you could say I was a "new writer" keeping a blog.
Then again, I've actually been writing poetry on-and-off since before there were such things as blogs. I even subbed a few mainstream poems to various literary journals in the early nineties, with no real success. I consider that my practice period. It was far from a serious effort to get published. However, in some ways, I'm not really new to this writing thing.
I didn't start blogging about my writing until I had something to blog about. If you define a "new writer" as a writer who really hasn't written anything yet, who really hasn't had anything published yet, then I would suggest that writing for publication does come before keeping a blog.
Still, I think the writing for publication and the keeping of a blog can go hand-in-hand. Just don't let the blog suck up all of your time.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : RHFay - 12/3/2008 3:10 PM |
xiaotien said......and way to reel them in with your poetry, rh! awesome!
I'm always fishing for new readers. That happens to be the main purpose of my blogs.
At times, you have to toss a bit of bait in the water to attract the fish. You have to give a little away free to get people interested in your works. That's why I try to post poetry on my blogs every so often. Well, that and having a way to express myself poetically.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
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| Posted By : WickedPenguin - 12/7/2008 5:29 AM | I suppose I'm kind of a reversal here.
For almost two years I've run an Air Traffic Control blog. It's recently gotten quite a bit of attention throughout the industry and I'm getting a good amount of readers every day.
Well... now I've recently gotten into fiction writing - won my first NaNoWriMo - and have found it hard to blog. I get ideas for blog posts, but I'm infinitely more interested in fiction than blog articles. Whereas I used to love blogging, now I find it's more of a chore.
At the same time, I found that my time blogging significantly helped with my grammar, presentation, and more. Much of my blog deals with technical matters, so it's become a great venue for me to practice describing complex systems and concepts in fun, easy layman's terms. As an example, here's a posting where I compare an on-frequency duel with a pilot with the Black Knight duel in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Why can't we all just subdivide ourselves into as many variants as we need to accomplish everything we want to do? Click for my aviation and ATC blog: pinguinomalo.blogspot.com/ |
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