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| Posted By : Lyn - 3/12/2008 2:07 PM | Mike, do you mean that Dave Kuzminski goes overboard or just that those people he "outs" are really that bad? Innocent inquiry as I'm not that familiar with Publish America and all the rest...
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| Posted By : MichaelEhart - 3/12/2008 3:17 PM | Wrong Mike, I know, but PA is every bit as bad as they are painted.
Check this out: http://sfwa.org/members/TravisTea/
Atlanta Nights was a scam book put together by a group of SFWA members and sent to PA. They accepted it, in spite of deliberately foul grammar, hundreds of malapropisms, missing chapters, characters changing genders from chapter to chapter, one chapter repeated, and another written entirely by a random text generator. "The world is full of bad books written by amateurs. But why settle for the merely regrettable? Atlanta Nights is a bad book written by experts." — T. Nielsen Hayden" hayden, BTW is one of the other people named in the suit.
If you go to the gallery on the travis tea site, and click on the picture captioned "The audience is rolling in the aisles" I am the handsome devil in the middle, between Mike Shepard Moscoe and Bill Yates.
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| Posted By : erazmus - 3/12/2008 3:29 PM | I mean that sooner or later the scam artist they go after have to strike back. If you out a lawyer for questionable practices to his bar association, he _has_ to sue you, to maintain the appearance of no wrong doing while his Bar association considers the complaint and afterward, even and especially if he loses.
SAme if you warn people about a fraudulent agency. Unless they want to pack up and change the name ahead of the DA's complaint, they have to defend themselves and their right to bilk people out of money, and sueing the people calling them scam artist is a major step in that. Never mind that they are clearly crooks. Even if convicted they will sue to bolster their appeal and of course, mostly to intimidate the whistle blowers into leaving them alone, as in this case. The defence against the suite may be childsplay, but it isn't going to be cheap. If the defendants can't or don't get a lawyer into the courtroom to defend them, the plantiff will win by default. The civil case will spin out for years, as a tactic to drain resources and enthusiasm from the defendants.
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 3/12/2008 3:52 PM |
MichaelEhart said...Wrong Mike, I know, but PA is every bit as bad as they are painted. Check this out: http://sfwa.org/members/TravisTea/ Atlanta Nights was a scam book put together by a group of SFWA members and sent to PA. They accepted it, in spite of deliberately foul grammar, hundreds of malapropisms, missing chapters, characters changing genders from chapter to chapter, one chapter repeated, and another written entirely by a random text generator. "The world is full of bad books written by amateurs. But why settle for the merely regrettable? Atlanta Nights is a bad book written by experts." — T. Nielsen Hayden" hayden, BTW is one of the other people named in the suit. If you go to the gallery on the travis tea site, and click on the picture captioned "The audience is rolling in the aisles" I am the handsome devil in the middle, between Mike Shepard Moscoe and Bill Yates.
Just for those who missed it (because Lord knows, I did at first), "TravisTea" is itself a play on words for "travesty".
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 3/12/2008 3:56 PM | To all those on this thread (Mike especially). By VERY careful with your words. These people are obviously litigious. You wouldn't want to have your name added to their suit.
I may have an opinion about these people, but I know better than to make assertions that haven't been proven yet (even couched as personal opinion, which is not a get-out-of-a-lawsuit-free card).
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 3/12/2008 4:20 PM | I admire your bravery Mike.
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| Posted By : crystalwizard - 3/12/2008 5:02 PM | Jordan, they're going to lose.
They're also going to have to sue most of the internet. Go do a google on Publish America and you'll find the same warning being shouted from thousands of places.
Lawsuits aren't cheap and at some point this is going to start draining their resources to the point that they can't continue. All this suit is doing is damaging their reputation further in the eyes of every single person who finds out about it. |
| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 3/12/2008 5:04 PM | I'm just not one to tempt fate.
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| Posted By : Gustavo - 3/14/2008 5:36 PM | Guys, there's a way to help P&E. They're putting together an antho with the intention of selling it to raise funds for the defense, and they're asking for donations from authors (here's one of the many blogs regarding the antho: http://jennhollowell.blogspot.com/2008/03/support-for-p.html , I chose it at random - it was the first to appear in my google search).
The P&E team already has a submission by yours truly in their slush, and I hope it makes the cut. I WANT to be associated with this fight. Although I will happily bow out if the big names come aboard and create a bestselling antho to help these guys beat the crap out of PA.
They're looking for genre work, so if you appreciate what P&E represents, this might be a way to give something back.
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| Posted By : Bill Ward - 3/14/2008 10:40 PM | I'll definitely buy that. And I'll sub something too, just as soon as somebody rejects something of mine that's appropriate (don't get any ideas Jordan.)
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 3/15/2008 1:06 AM | Lol. Catching up on the slush this weekend. Wish me luck!
And I'd buy that antho as well, but I'm sure bigger names than mine will be subbing to it.
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| Posted By : Hamstersbane - 3/26/2008 4:00 AM |
Gustavo said...
Guys, there's a way to help P&E. They're putting together an antho with the intention of selling it to raise funds for the defense, and they're asking for donations from authors I just got word that my story was accepted. 
Jeff Parish
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| Posted By : Jordan Lapp - 3/26/2008 12:38 PM | Awesome. For this antho, I would have thought they'd go for names over quality. Glad they're going the other way.
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| Posted By : Hamstersbane - 3/26/2008 9:17 PM | So just what exactly is wrong with my name, huh?
heh...Thanks.
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| Posted By : Bill Ward - 3/27/2008 12:44 AM | Well, I doubt hamsters are all to fond of your name. ;)
Congrats Jeff, looking forward to seeing the ToC for this one.
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| Posted By : Lane - 3/30/2008 3:51 AM | Jordan, see if you can't get them to wait until August to sue you. Then I'll represent you, free of charge. :)
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| Posted By : Jaqhama - 3/30/2008 7:31 AM |
erazmus said...My name is Michael D. Turner I live at 2222 Sumter Dr. Colorado Springs, Colorado I will not live in fear of scum or their lawyers. And I stand behind any statements I have made on these or any other board on the web, or anywhere else, provided I actually made the statement. Mike
Mike I'm impressed that you'll put your money where your mouth is. 
Few people will these days.
Good for you old son!
I know the story about Publish America and those authors who wrote that crap, but highly amusing novel.
I know PA reckons they read and validate every novel they publish. They say so themselves on their website do they not?
Guess that one novel must have slipped past them somehow? 
Or something. 
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| Posted By : Jaqhama - 3/30/2008 8:21 AM |
erazmus said...I will not live with fear. Its a simple enough principle. Mike
Fking A. 
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