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|  Nicholas Sage

       Date Joined Jun 2006 Total Posts : 1307 | Posted 3/2/2009 7:23 PM (GMT -5) |   | |
It is a well worn truism: The book is better than the movie. Almost always.
As a graduate student, I enrolled in a seminar that examined selected prose works and their film adaptations, and learned that “better” isn’t exactly the right word. The book is always different than the movie. A truly “faithful” adaptation is, to some extent, impossible because books and film are two very different mediums. There are some things books can do extremely well and some things that the visual medium of film can do extremely well; each medium has its own strengths and weaknesses.
That having been said, books usually are better than the movies. I am glad that a whole generation went gaga over the Harry Potter books at a young age, because they have experienced this early on and are thus less likely to grow into the sort of person who would say, “I don’t need to read the book; there’s a movie.” Maybe eight out of ten (this is not based on hard data, just anecdotal evidence) Harry Potter fans will admit that while they love the movies, the movies are not as good as the books. They would not trade their reading experience of those books for any film.
I will share a personal experience to illustrate just one way that books, by collaborating with the imagination of the reader, can achieve an effect that movies almost never can approach.
When I was eight years old, my favorite books were the Narnia chronicles by C.S. Lewis. I stayed up late at night, curled up with a reading flashlight on the top bunk of my bed (I did not share my room with a sibling, but I liked sleeping up high in the bunk bed—it was like having my own tree house). To this day, nearly thirty years later, I vividly recall the night I read a scene in The Horse and His Boy. The protagonist (whose name does slip my mind after three decades), a young boy on the run, is outside the city at night. Because the city gates are closed at sunset, he cannot get back into the city, and ends up spending the night out among the tombs. He sits there on the sand, cold and alone and in the dark, surrounded by hundreds of these stone tombs—like rounded stucco huts, each with a single opening in the front. He is overcome with fear—each of those open doors is like a darker hole in the darkness, from any one of which something might silently emerge, especially when his back is to it. Each way he turns, there are always other inky-black openings at his back.
Reading this, I felt chills, my skin crawled, and all the other pleasantly unpleasant physiological sensations brought on by a good ghost story. I had a hard time falling asleep that night.
The protagonist’s salvation was a small, black cat that slinked out of the desert and curled up to his back. For the rest of the night, he was okay—even, I think, managed to fall asleep—because he had company now, another set of eyes, someone watching his back. The reader inferred that the cat was the good lion Aslan in disguise. My solution was the same—I snuck out of bed, hunted down our pet cat, and locked her in the room with me. Our family pet was not Aslan, but for me she was, that night.
Disney and Walden Media are now in the process of making the film adaptations of the Narnia books. I can confidently predict that when they get around to The Horse and His Boy, and if they faithfully recreate that scene, it will pale in comparison to my reading experience.
Had I never read the book, I can imagine seeing that scene for the first time on the big screen. Even if it were well-done, I cannot imagine it being one of the most memorable scenes in the film. It would be interesting and compelling while it was happening—the audience wonders, along with the protagonist, if anything will come slinking or slithering from one of those tombs. When nothing does, and the only thing that shows up is a cat, we will be relieved (or disappointed) and forget about it as the narrative sweeps us along. It would certainly not be a scene we would isolate and remember days or weeks or years later. http://knighterrors.blogspot.com The official serialization of Knight Terrors: The (Mis)Adventures of Smoke the Dragon, published by Abandoned Towers!
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 |  darkbow Rabbit lord

       Date Joined Oct 2005 Total Posts : 2266 | Posted 3/2/2009 8:59 PM (GMT -5) |   | I've run across very, very few cases where the movie was better. Peter Benchley's "Jaws" being the one that comes to mind first. "Beneath a Persian Sun" upcoming in Carnivah House's "Infinity Swords" anthology
"Interlude in Lombardy" at Noctober, "The Death of Lester Williams" in the anthology Deadlines, "Ogre" at The Absent Willow Review, "Peter Piker the Pankin Man" at Big Pulp, "Day Trip" at Demonic Tome, "Deep in the Land of the Ice and Snow" in "The Return of the Sword" anthology, "The Note" at Every Day Fiction, "Walking Between the Rain" at Every Day Fiction, "The Unconquered Mage" at Static Movement, "A Dragon's Tale" at Aphelion, "Terror in the Flare Lights" at The Tiny Globule, "Killing Just for Fun" at Demonic Tome, "Zombie Tears" at Tales of the Zombie War, "Steven Spielberg and The Magic Box" at The Ranfurly Review, "The Death of Lester Williams" at Crimson Highway, "Hot Off the Press" at Ray Gun Revival, "A Dragon's Tale" in Issue 22 of Beyond Centauri, "August" at Demonic Tome
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 |  SJHigbee Adept

       Date Joined Mar 2008 Total Posts : 710 | Posted 3/3/2009 10:15 AM (GMT -5) |   | I think this is - as Nicholas points out - because they are two different mediums. But as his moving anecdote about reading "The Horse and the Boy" graphically demonstrates, there is a more profound difference. Readers - and I'm not talking about people who read books - I mean READERS - the one or two in each classroom who, when in my teaching days, I asked the class to put away their reading books hadn't heard me because they were still locked into the world between the pages... these people are born, not made. They don't (sadly) necessarily find their passion for books at school, but once they do, they are hooked for life. They open a book and slip between the pages, while their body is an unmoving shell sitting or lying somewhere with the book propped up in front of them. Time slides by, people come and go - they don't notice.
Because there is an internal 'film' running inside their head as the print immediately morphs into their imagination. So when they see someone else's version of their imagined world up on a huge screen, there is always a jolt, accompanied with an instinctive recoil 'that's not right!' It's always READERS who moan about films of the book. For what it's worth, we have a very long-running radio soap called "The Archers" about 'everyday farming folk'. On some recent anniversary, the idiots who make the programme posted a huge photo of all the characters in the Radio & TV guide. They looked all wrong! I haven't felt the same about it, since - and I'd been listening for over 20 years...
That's why I'm totally confident that books will never completely die out - no matter what smelly-vision/holo gismo they come up with. That highly personal interaction between the printed page/spoken word and the space in our heads is magical. And those of us lucky enough to fall under its spell never want to recover... www.sjhigbee.com | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Keralen Adept

       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 733 | Posted 3/4/2009 9:27 AM (GMT -5) |   | Absolutely. A movie is never going to match the reader's internal vision. The only way I ever get to appreciate a movie version is if either it's just close enough to be acceptable (the Narnias), or I see enough of it to establish a separate, *different* vision that becomes an acceptable alternative (LOTR).
That said, the movie version of "The Princess Bride" was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better, without that self-indulgent "fairy tales are nice but actually life totally sucks" ending. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 5357 | Posted Today 11:12 AM (GMT -5) |   | I think that, in general, books that get enough attention to be made into movies are almost universally far too well executed to be eclipsed by a film. It isn't that print is such a monumentally more vivid media, its that movie production companies generally choose such vivid books to adapt. No one spends fifty to a hundred million dollars to adapt a dog, even though it might make a good film and possibly be a much better movie than book. They only seem to grab the ones they can't possibly match.
Sometimes they manage to come close. Usually with softer dramas like "The English Patient" or occasionally a war movie ("Galipoli"). "Mr. Roberts" was about equally as good a movie as it was a book, IMO. Its when they attach a fantasy or science fiction classic that Hollywood has no hope. They get involved, and are clearly in love with, the technical feats such stories allow them, and lose the heart of the tale, almost inevitably. I think perhaps once I've seen a science fiction adaptation really stick with the original story and work well. Maybe twice ("Blade Runner" and "Impostor", both from Phillip K. Dick's work). I'll allow that once I've seen a film that was better than its source material--the original "The Day the Earth Stood Still" is much better (again, IMO) than Harry Bate's "Farewell to the Master". But other than that, they take great books to make fair to middling movies, occasionally taking a good book to make a good movie, but seldom have the moxie to take a fair to middling book and make a great film.
Mike Michael D. Turner "Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books www.baen.com "Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6 www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm
"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:
www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php "Pink Plastic Flamingos" in Big Pulp www.bigpulp.com/m.html "Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html "Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction www.everydayfiction.com/morning-coffee-by-michael-d-turner/ "The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords flashingswords.sfreader.com/issues/issue8/vol2-iss8-05.htm "Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction www.everydayfiction.com/happy-landings-by-michael-d-turner/ "Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction www.everydayfiction.com/teller-of-tales-by-michael-d-turner/ Read "Silver Shells" In Every Day Fiction www.everydayfiction.com/silver-shells-by-michael-d-turner/ | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Steven the Git Acolyte

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 254 | Posted 3/11/2009 10:14 AM (GMT -5) |   | Personally I'd say very often the books wins, but not always. There are loads of movies I love to bits.
The Thing was based on a book, Who Goes There? More so than the Thing From Outer Space. Haven't read the book though but would struggle to do so with those famous scenes in my head (can't see a chest opening scene working even if there is one). Same goes for Watership Down. Love the movie, not read the book if keep meaning too. The problem the book will have is no dramatic music that always gets me buzzing when they are being hunted or fighting for their lives. Mind you, have heard there is more to certain characters, so still wanting to read it. I think what you come across first will affect you the most. A major reason why remakes irritate us older folks. Once you've seen or read that 'classic' scene then it is hard to recapture that moment. But I've always thought that books have the big advantage of being able to put us in the minds of characters. We don't just see the world they do, but feel it, fear it, want it, etc. It is a lot easier to become characters in books than in movies. Also agree on them being two different mediums. You can't make a book into a movie, or vice versa. You can retell the story, but there are strong differences (the Lord of the Rings - with the movies adding action and removing certain aspects of the story to keep it tighter).
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 |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 5357 | Posted 3/13/2009 2:57 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
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       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 5357 | Posted 3/14/2009 6:37 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
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 |  ScrewMoonshine Sage

       Date Joined Aug 2005 Total Posts : 1030 | Posted 3/26/2009 12:55 PM (GMT -5) |   | Huh, maybe I missed it, but no one seems to have brought up that movies are often adapted into books as well. And that in most of those cases, the book is not as good as the movie.
The trouble with adaptations is that, much as that upsets the fans and the creators, it's better to not follow the original too closely. As has been said, there's so much magic to books that movies simply cannot recreate.
Even in scenes where this is not a problem, what's the point of simply translating a piece of prose to the screen? Unless it's a particularly fantastical scene(the Balrog in "The Fellowship of the Ring" will always be a favorite example of mine), it really adds nothing. Perhaps I'm an odd duck amongst fans, but I positively loathe seeing a scene from a book I've read basically recited word-for-word on a video screen. The redundancy just drives me absolutely bonkers.
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 |  Nicholas Sage

       Date Joined Jun 2006 Total Posts : 1307 | Posted 3/29/2009 7:56 PM (GMT -5) |   | Robert, Your bringing up of the Balrog scene is another good example for illustrative purposes here. While I love Jackson's LOTR films (have the extended editions of them all), they do highlight how certain elements that work in prose do not translate well to film and vice versa. The Balrog scene, for example--which was a centerpiece of the film--only comprises a few sentences in the book! Tolkien gives us just enough to let our own imagination create the picture, whereas with an action/adventure film, the makers must fully realize and highlight those scenes for the audience.
This, in fact, changes the very tone of the films vs. the books. Even with the extended editions (at over TEN hours!), so much must be cut, while turning very brief pieces of prose into big centerpiece battles that take up big chunks of screen time, that the passages of respite and mirth--the periods of rest--are quickly passed over or cut. The filmmakers (perhaps wisely) realized that they had not the time nor their audience the patience for listening to hobbits sit around reciting nonsense songs to each other. And so some of the pleasures of the book are lost to the film--perhaps they are pleasures that the film could not have recreated anyway.
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 |  R. L. Copple Acolyte

       Date Joined Mar 2007 Total Posts : 290 | Posted 4/12/2009 8:56 PM (GMT -5) |   | I know I was one of those "get lost in a book" kids once I was hooked by my 5th grade teacher reading Charlotte's Web. I have a memory in either 5th or 6th grade of the teacher sending a few of us out into the hallway to read. I became lost in the world I was in when the teacher opened the door after some time had passed and stared at us. She asked, "How can you read out here in the hall with so much noise, classes clopping by in line and talking, and everything else. I hadn't noticed them, but did have vague remembrances of noise. But it registered little on my brain, so lost was it in another world.
erazmus said...
Until its your work that is being adapted! Then "what have they done to my baby?"
I wondered if that's what Christopher Paolini thought upon seeing the movie version of his first book. I felt they hacked the story to death and the movie needed to be much longer to do justice to the book. I know if I had been the author of it, I wouldn't have been very happy. Thanks to the first time director, it is unlikely the rest will be made into a movie. And while I would greatly skip or reduce the second book movie wise, maybe into a prologue, there's some good stuff in the third book that would lend itself to a good movie.
But a lot depends on the writers and director's skill at taking what's on a written page and adapting it to the screen. And as already noted, that is a difficult skill to pull of well, not to mention the reverse is true as well.
Interesting discussion. R. L. Copple
www.rlcopple.com www.raygunradio.com
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 |  ScrewMoonshine Sage

       Date Joined Aug 2005 Total Posts : 1030 | Posted 4/17/2009 11:08 AM (GMT -5) |   |
R. L. Copple said... I know I was one of those "get lost in a book" kids once I was hooked by my 5th grade teacher reading Charlotte's Web. I have a memory in either 5th or 6th grade of the teacher sending a few of us out into the hallway to read. I became lost in the world I was in when the teacher opened the door after some time had passed and stared at us. She asked, "How can you read out here in the hall with so much noise, classes clopping by in line and talking, and everything else. I hadn't noticed them, but did have vague remembrances of noise. But it registered little on my brain, so lost was it in another world. Yep, I know the feeling. Through middle school and high school I would even read novels as I walked from one class to the next(peripheral vision is a fine thing). The English teachers would love that.
Robert Orme
Out now: "More Than One Way to Protect" in Lords of Justice (www.cyberwizardproductions.com/altered/loj.html) "On the Tree Top" in Ultraverse vol.3 #5 (www.ultraverse.us) "Replacing Someone" in Aoife's Kiss #26, September 2008 (http://samsdotpublishing.com/aoife/main.htm) Avatar artwork courtesy of Crystalwizard | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Kevin Grubbe Stablehand

       Date Joined Apr 2009 Total Posts : 24 | Posted 4/28/2009 12:37 PM (GMT -5) |   | Here's a great example of the movie exceeding the book...Andromeda Strain. Even the original movie, which faithfully recreated the book is a much better experience. The new adaptation I believe was a made for tv movie, was extremely well done, although not as true to the original.
Not to speak ill of the dead, but it's a wonder how Michael Crichton ever became famous with that novella. His other works were inspiring and I'm actually a huge fan, but that one was poorly done. It does, however, give me hope that one day my writing will be well known.
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 |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 5357 | Posted 6/25/2009 12:02 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
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