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Jack Windsword
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   Posted 3/29/2008 7:22 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've been rejected! I'm actually glad because I sent a story to Weird Tales back in Late Sep/Early Oct., and I didn't get the little impersonal "Thanks but no thanks" paper until today. I was frustrated for a long time, because they do not allow simultaneous submissions, so until they notified me that they weren't interested, I couldn't do anything else with it.
 
Is there a time frame I can give myself in case that happens again? Say, if they don't respond by (1 month?), I can send it somewhere else? I have no idea how this works.
 
 
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   Posted 3/30/2008 3:54 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
you can always write a market you've subbed to and inform them that you're withdrawing the sub. Just be very sure that's what you really want to do.
Be aware also, that whether you tell them that, tell them that you are tired of waiting or anything else, you're probably leaving a bad taste in the editors mouth... and they might not be real happy when they see your name on another story in the future.


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   Posted 3/30/2008 3:04 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You are the only judge of what is the "right" time frame. Try to look at Duotrope or other websites to see what the average return rate is for a publication. Also see what they specify in their guidelines as average response time. I would recommend sending a query before withdrawing. If you don't get an answer to your query and the story has reached the unreasonable wait limit then you can inform them you are withdrawing.
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   Posted 3/31/2008 6:39 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bah! A mere seven months and you're whining about it!
Now that the story is available again, send it to Aberrant Dreams and learn what a real wait is.
A long rejection time usually means they are really, really considering your story for publication. Or they ran out of bird cage liner and forgot to drop you a note first. I've had stories in both catagories. Ann VanDermeer is usually pretty good about getting the rejections out in a timely fashion, so you must have come close.

After a reasonable wait and a query I might consider simsubbing a piece out, especially if I don't like the results of the query. I have two sim-subbed pieces out right now, one simsubbed with Adventure of Sword and Sorcery, which doesn't appear to be an actual ongoing project, and one with an original market that closed to subs, was talking about closing down, decided to keep publishing, reopened to subs, without clearing an eleven month backlog of submissions. I figured I could maybe actually sell the story to a better market while I wait. I may even be able to sell it, have it see print, have the rights revert and amend my original submission to say I am offering non-exclusive reprint rights. They are taking that long.

Its all part of the game.

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"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
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"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php
"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/morning-coffee-by-michael-d-turner/
"The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords
flashingswords.sfreader.com/issues/issue8/vol2-iss8-05.htm
"Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction
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"Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction
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   Posted 3/31/2008 11:32 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I waited eleven months for my poems that finally got accepted at Illumen. Granted, I did send two queries and received a reply to both stating that the poems were still being held for consideration. I came very close to withdrawing, but I didn't.

The moral of the story - if you really want a piece in a publication that might have a long response time, patience is more than a virtue, it's a necessity.

And, like Mike said, a longer-than-usual response time often means that the piece made the short-list. That's certainly nothing to whine about. It's an indication that the work was almost in, and perhaps the next one will make it all the way.


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   Posted 3/31/2008 1:02 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wow, I had no idea that a long wait time means I almost got published. My only other experience with editors is CW, and she's pretty quick at returning comments.
 
I'm unfamiliar with some of these terms. What is a "Sim-sub"? I also have only a dim understanding of the kinds of reprint rights.
 
It's a complicated game, Mike.
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   Posted 3/31/2008 1:18 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sim-sub means subbing the same story to more than one market at a time. Multi-sub means to send more than one story to any market.

And seven months at Weird Tales means it was close. I have to agree with Mike about Ann Vandermeer. Quick and friendly.

BTW, your post makes it seem like you sent them a postal sub (not entirely sure why, but your mention of a slip of paper might have done it). You'll probably get better response times from WT if you sub by email. Cheaper, too. Check out Ralan for the address.


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   Posted 3/31/2008 2:11 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ann is a nice lady. As per Mike's comment, I have had one out at Aberrant Dreams for many moons--- just depends on your ability to wait. Having a dozen or more stories out at a time helps a lot, BTW. Write a lot, sub a lot, leave a beautiful corpse, my motto.


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   Posted 3/31/2008 4:17 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Aberrant Dreams finally sent a rejection, nine months into it. Which is great because I've been meaning to rewrite that story. I believe it took them about five minutes to decide to decline and the rest of the time was waiting to be read, but to be fair, that may not be so.
I usually have over twenty subs out at a time, unless I've recieved a flurry of rejection notices and/or acceptances. (I'm expecting such a flurry in the next few weeks). Reprint rights are what you sell after a piece has been published and the rights revert back to you (which happens after aperiod of time stated in your publication contract, read those things!). I have in the past sold reprints that paid as much or more than the original publication did.
My goal is to have so many subs out I can no longer remember them all. I'm well short of that.

Mike


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"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
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"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php
"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/morning-coffee-by-michael-d-turner/
"The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords
flashingswords.sfreader.com/issues/issue8/vol2-iss8-05.htm
"Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/happy-landings-by-michael-d-turner/
"Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction
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   Posted 3/31/2008 11:41 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ah, it was a postal sub, gustavo. I tried to follow the sub guidelines that they posted on their site, and it said they prefer postal subs. If you think an email sub will be better, I'll try that with the next one.
 
And yeah, having twenty some subs out would be ideal. I guess I need to work harder to get that many stories finished. How do you all balance work with writing to find enough time to finish your yarns?
 
Part of the game :-)
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   Posted 4/1/2008 2:22 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There's a game some of us play which is referred to as ass-in-chair. Basically it means that, no matter what happened today, or how tired we are or what time it is, you will write something today. Generally, it's done with word-count targets. My target is 1000 words a day, but I've seen it range from 250 upwards. If you do this, you will soon find yourself finishing a story per week or making great progress with your novel. The trick is to find a set of inflexible rules that allows you to progress. For example re-reading and polishing a story might count as your word production for that day.

Have you been using www.ralan.com or www.duotrope.com? Both tell you when a market accepts e-subs. If they accept e-subs then send them e-subs. They won't reject a good story because it comes through email, trust me.


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   Posted 4/1/2008 2:23 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Simple. Write every day if you can, and sub every friday. Use excell or something like it to track what is where and what results you get, use duotroupe's search engine to find new markets to sub through when you've run out of places for a particular piece, keep your bookmarks updated, save you acceptance and rejection e-mails, print out your contracts and file a copy, and don't worry about subs except on fridays.
A great goal to try is to have something to send out every friday. Most can't do it, I certainly can't, but it does sometimes motivate me to do more AiS time. (Thats A** in Seat, they key to a successful writing career.)
Mike


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"Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books
www.baen.com
"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm

"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php
"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/morning-coffee-by-michael-d-turner/
"The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords
flashingswords.sfreader.com/issues/issue8/vol2-iss8-05.htm
"Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/happy-landings-by-michael-d-turner/
"Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/teller-of-tales-by-michael-d-turner/
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   Posted 4/1/2008 2:37 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Looks like Mike and I cross posted. And his wisdom on tracking is something I missed. Listen to him, he knows his stuff.


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   Posted 4/1/2008 2:53 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yet I still get confused occasionally. And if I'm not careful I find myself mooning over my submissions file instead of creating new stories. It isn't all that easy.

Mike


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"Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books
www.baen.com
"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm

"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php
"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/morning-coffee-by-michael-d-turner/
"The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords
flashingswords.sfreader.com/issues/issue8/vol2-iss8-05.htm
"Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/happy-landings-by-michael-d-turner/
"Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/teller-of-tales-by-michael-d-turner/
Read "Silver Shells" In Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/silver-shells-by-michael-d-turner/

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   Posted 4/1/2008 5:38 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
erazmus said...
Yet I still get confused occasionally. And if I'm not careful I find myself mooning over my submissions file instead of creating new stories. It isn't all that easy.

Mike

I find that dealing with all my submissions takes a bit of time.  There are instances when it eats away at my writing/drawing time, but it's definitely a necessity when you've got dozens of things out there at any one time.
 
Gosh, I even feel a bit guilty right now because I only have about twenty poems currently in submission limbo instead of my usual thirty to fourty.


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   Posted 4/1/2008 6:25 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Gosh, I even feel a bit guilty right now because I only have about twenty poems currently in submission limbo instead of my usual thirty to fourty.

That's because they all got accepted!!  So no complaining and go write some more...
 
I normally manage to keep my accounts clean with relatively little fuss with the help of an Excel file, but sometimes get my wires crossed and multi-sub or sim-sub by mistake.  Fortunately, it hasn't come back to haunt me yet (I normally realize the error in time and cancel one of the subs).


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   Posted 4/1/2008 7:45 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
1,000 words a day is my technique as well. Setting aside a specific time never worked for me, as I tended to waste the time doing "research". Yes, I can easily spend hours on the NASA web site.

Some days it's hard write that many words, but knowing I can't relax with a glass of scotch until I hit that target make the words come much more easily.
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   Posted 4/1/2008 7:53 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I used to be able to do that, but as my level of skill rises, my output declines--unfortunately. I was good at being crappy. Hopefully soon I'll learn how to be good at being good...


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   Posted 4/2/2008 5:05 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jordan,

What happens is you get frustrated, because you haven't anything going out. And in a fit of pique you deliberatly write a couple of crappy stories, fast. Then you send them off to the markets that have consistently rejected your "best" efforts and the editors buy them.
Then you sit around your livingroom in your underwear for a week, scratching your head and grunting between shots of JD, wondering where all this is taking you.
And the next year you wn a hugo.
Trust me on this, I have it on excellent authority.

Mike


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"Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books
www.baen.com
"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm

"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php
"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/morning-coffee-by-michael-d-turner/
"The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords
flashingswords.sfreader.com/issues/issue8/vol2-iss8-05.htm
"Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/happy-landings-by-michael-d-turner/
"Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/teller-of-tales-by-michael-d-turner/
Read "Silver Shells" In Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/silver-shells-by-michael-d-turner/

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   Posted 4/2/2008 12:52 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
AiS huh?
 
You guys got any games to overcome the terror of the white space?
 
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   Posted 4/2/2008 1:29 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yeah, I normally put the title and the first line into a story and then leave it. When I return to it, there's no longer a white space on the page.


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   Posted 4/2/2008 2:03 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Gustavo said...
Gosh, I even feel a bit guilty right now because I only have about twenty poems currently in submission limbo instead of my usual thirty to fourty.

That's because they all got accepted!!  So no complaining and go write some more...

 

You know what?  You're right (for the most part). smilewinkgrin
 
Lately I haven't been writing as much as I would like because I've been working hard on various illustrations.  I figure they have priority at the moment because they are definite assignments, rather than unsolicited submissions that may or may not be accepted.  Plus, much of my poetry is now being held for a special project.
 
I wrote several horrorku and a few other horror poems recently, but they're all being held for a collection.  Again, that gets priority over submissions to publications.
 
I think the moral of this particular story is that you have to have priorities as well as persistence and conviction.  Should you work on a multitude of poems, a bunch of flash pieces, a smaller number of longer stories, or a novel?  (I've heard some writers say that novels are the only worthwhile things to write these days.)  Obviously you can have more than one project going at once, but have too many and it may get overwhelming.
 
I wrote a fantasy novel but couldn't get an agent, probably because it wasn't a "new" enough twist on old genre tropes (crossing threads here).  So, I decided to start over and build a list of publications by composing and submitting a whole bunch of speculative poetry.  My plan worked better than I could have ever hoped, and the poetry publications have led to interest in my artwork as well as a couple article publications.  And now there are plans to publish a collection of my dark poetry, complete with my illustrations.  My priorities have changed depending upon the circumstances. 


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   Posted 4/2/2008 4:46 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You rock, gustavo. I'm gonna get you some front teeth for Christmas. smilewinkgrin
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   Posted 4/2/2008 9:22 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks! I'll even photoshop them into my avatar!

This has gotten me thinking... There used to be a cool thread up at the late lamented speculations site that allowed you to plug in the quantity of words you got in that day (words and antiwords - don't ask)... A couple of the authors there used to claim that it helped with achieving writing goals. The idea was to be shamed by the output of your fellow writers and thus inspired to write instead of hanging around on the internet.

I use my blog in the same way. If I don't make the wordcount, I admit it publicly. Hey, don't laugh, it works...

Does anyone else think that we should add a thread of this type, sticky, to SF Reader??


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