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Nicholas
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   Posted 5/30/2008 1:01 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Save the forests" on a paper sub? Oh, the irony...


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   Posted 5/29/2008 1:38 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Most excellent, dude! My 'favorite' submission of all time thus far spent in this profession is the only paper sub I received via snail mail when working for Staffs & Starships. Among the many quite obvious shortcomings of both the appropriateness and quality of the content, the many-paged submission's cover letter had this banner running from edge-to-edge beneath the author's signature and contact information, sans email address: "Save the forests~Save the forests~Save the forests" And this came when we were brand new and the only information about us was found on line and, there on our site, above the snail mail address, was the stressed 'email submissions preferred' - I'm only surprised that the banner didn't run across the footer of every page of the story.


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Nicholas
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   Posted 5/29/2008 1:24 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I guess I should further clarify that this was submitted by Post: good old-fashioned snail mail (we didn't even accept email submissions back then. And--get this--when we published a story, we typed it out word-for-word from the original manuscript. Well, my co-editor did. No wonder he burned out in six issues).
 
 

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   Posted 5/27/2008 11:07 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The redeeming quality of such strange spam is that it provides us the validation that it's the world 'out there' that's all fogged up. Doesn't necessarily bolster our claim to sanity, but it certainly validates our own percipience of the general world as somewhat more askew . . .
I dream of the day I can afford to piss away $20 to buy a good poem, let alone twice that to glimpse a suspiciously abstract unknown.


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   Posted 5/27/2008 10:57 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Nicholas said...

[. . .]

I wonder if anyone, ever--just out of curiosity, maybe, and with money to burn--actually sent a deposit to this odd person for the opportunity to read one of those poems.


I wonder that about all spam.


 
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   Posted 5/27/2008 4:21 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

The most bizarre submission my co-editor and I ever got back when we were doing MOOREEFFOC Magazine--well, I'm not even sure you could call it a submission, exactly...More of a query with a demand for upfront money.

It was a list of poem titles, along with a cover letter explaining that if we wanted to see any of them, we had to send the author a deposit (it was pretty hefty, too, if I recall correctly, something like forty dollars--way beyond what we paid for poems). Not only did we scoff at the weirdness of the proposal, but we also derived much amusement from the list. The titles were all strangely generic: "The Haunted House," "The Ghost," etc.

I wonder if anyone, ever--just out of curiosity, maybe, and with money to burn--actually sent a deposit to this odd person for the opportunity to read one of those poems.

 
 

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   Posted 5/25/2008 5:11 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I only reply to rejections if I want something clarified. And by clarified, I mean a question in the form of "Do you mean this or that?", not "What do you mean by this?" The latter question, for me at least, is usually nothing more than subconsciously challenging the editor's reasons for rejection, which is naturally a big no-no. Even if it's not intended that way, it could be interpreted that way. I've never regretted asking an editor for clarification on a point.

If I feel like informing an editor that one of my submissions has been placed elsewhere, I save it for the cover letter of the next submission I send him. That way there's no chance of it being interpreted as gloating. Naturally, I always thank the editor in my cover letters if he has given me helpful suggestions before, regardless of whether or not said suggestions helped in placing the story elsewhere.

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   Posted 5/23/2008 10:02 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
darkbow said...

On the other hand, if it were cw or Jason or a handful of other editors I feel I know fairly well, then there's a better chance I might slip them a note to thank them for the advice.

Heck, if it's Jason I might just do some gloating! :-p


*grin* but that's assuming you succeeded in getting a rejection out of either of us instead of an acceptance. Seriously though, one of the things I try to do if I have to turn down a story is to suggest an alternate market or two that the author might try. So if someone emailed me and let me know they were able to place it elsewhere I'd be very happy.
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   Posted 5/23/2008 9:59 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Heck, if it's Jason I might just do some gloating! :-p"

Now, now no gloating.
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   Posted 5/23/2008 9:55 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
For me it would come down to my working relationship with the editor. If it was an editor I don't know very well, then no, I wouldn't e-mail them to let them know I sold the story elsewhere, even if it was his or her's tips that helped make my story better.

On the other hand, if it were cw or Jason or a handful of other editors I feel I know fairly well, then there's a better chance I might slip them a note to thank them for the advice.

Heck, if it's Jason I might just do some gloating! :-p


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   Posted 5/23/2008 9:45 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Even if that's not what's intended, it would be very easy for someone to take that the wrong way."

I think it depends on the editor. Nick Mamatas appreciates it. I think Realms of Fantasy is also happy to hear from slushies (Douglas Cohen calls them his secret slush survivors) who made it somewhere else. If an editor gave me some very good feedback that helped me place that story in another good place I would send them a thank you note and let them know about it in a very polite and friendly way. The reason is good customer service. We complain about editors a lot but sometimes we forget to let them know what a good job they do. I think in an exceptional set of circumstances like a very nice sale and very good comments it would merit a thank you to that special editor who helped you polish your story.

Of course, it comes down to a personal decision. Silence is always the easiest course.
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   Posted 5/23/2008 7:55 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
SilviaMG said...

The exception to the above rule would be if you manage to make a very good sale of the story. You might want to tell the editor who gave you helpful comments. Something like "Hi Bob. I just wanted to let you know your comments about my story "Such and So" were incredibly helpful. It will appear in Pro Market X next summer. Thanks."


I'm going to disagree with that. That has serious overtones of gloating. As if the author were saying 'hah! Look what YOU missed out on! Hrumph! So much for you, the Big Boys want my story and you're small peanuts compared to them. Ptbtbtbtbtbtbt'

Even if that's not what's intended, it would be very easy for someone to take that the wrong way.


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   Posted 5/23/2008 7:52 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Samurai Tim said...
I have question to the editors out there. If you (the editor) sent a personalized but rejected email, should the author respond ? I thought it was some sort of taboo but I want to thank him for the insight.


This is personal opinion only, so keep that in mind.

From the first submission email I get from someone, I try to put us both on the same footing and level. The author and I are a team, as far as I'm concerned, and I try to make sure I send the same sort of polite, personal emails to him or her that I would to someone I work with at my day job or someone I've known for a long time. So far, it's working pretty well and instead of faceless people at different desks we very rapidly establish a good working relationship.

That said, I would hope my authors would reply. and most of them do. I would also hope I wouldn't get flamed, and so far none of them have.


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   Posted 5/23/2008 3:29 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Polite, yes; unnecessary, only when it's not an editor you interact with on lots of other fronts or consider a friend of sorts smurf If it is one of those types editors, of course you let him/her know! Of course you also don't let the 'Thanks' dissolve into a running conversation.
 
Otherwise, SilviaMG has a good answer, too.


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   Posted 5/23/2008 2:24 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I feel like it is not necessary for a rejected author to respond to the letter. After all, you probably said something along the lines of "Thank you for the consideration" in your cover letter. I've received thank you notes and never once felt the writer was intruding on my busy schedule. It's a small matter to open an e-mail and read a thank you, though I feel obligated to respond with a you're welcome message. That's the only place where time intrudes, and it is inconsequential. A thank you note is polite but unnecessary.



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   Posted 5/23/2008 1:54 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"I have question to the editors out there. If you (the editor) sent a personalized but rejected email, should the author respond ? I thought it was some sort of taboo but I want to thank him for the insight."

Don't respond. They already have a lot of e-mail to deal with. When you sub again, include a little line that says "Thank you for your feedback on my last story, it was very helpful." Same thing if an editor said something like we hope to see more work from you. They usually mean it. So don't be afraid to mention that when you sub again. Something like "As per your last e-mail, I'm sending you some of my other stuff to look at."

The exception to the above rule would be if you manage to make a very good sale of the story. You might want to tell the editor who gave you helpful comments. Something like "Hi Bob. I just wanted to let you know your comments about my story "Such and So" were incredibly helpful. It will appear in Pro Market X next summer. Thanks."
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   Posted 5/23/2008 1:43 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have question to the editors out there. If you (the editor) sent a personalized but rejected email, should the author respond ? I thought it was some sort of taboo but I want to thank him for the insight.


 
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   Posted 5/14/2008 8:17 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
For fear of this dissolving into a not-so-serious discussion about the behaviors of editors and their relationships with writers...are you telling me I'm not getting spanked now?



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   Posted 5/12/2008 12:49 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And so speaks another Mother on her (American) day! Bravo!


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   Posted 5/11/2008 11:29 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My personal opinion only:

re: 20K stories - go right on and send them. I stop paying at 6K but I'll be more than happy for you to send them if you want. I'll figure out how to print them if they're good.

re: including your credits, telling me to look you up on google or other such things: Not sure what that has to do with your story. I'm not interested in what you have previously published, I'm only interested in what you want me to look at right now.

re: telling me off if I tell you I'm not interested/ask you for a revision: Umm right. You know, I spanked my kids for that kind of behavior. But at least they had an excuse, they were kids. You, however, are an adult and I expect you to act like one. Manners, while sadly lacking in our world, are not optional if you don't want me to flag your email address and automatically shuttle anything from it into my spam folder.


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   Posted 5/11/2008 10:48 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bill's right. Being an editor, even though we don't have thousands or even hundreds of submissions, I only have so much time I can devote to it, I'm doing it on a volunteer basis. The bottom line is, if a submitter is serious about the editor taking a look at his or her work, they will make it as painless on the editor as possible, by following the rules. It simply gives one a better chance of success. I certainly wouldn't have time to google everyone's submission.

But, and the other not mentioned thing, as an author, I wouldn't want to request they google my name. Not because I have anything to hide, but because they'll get other stuff, maybe someone else who isn't me but matches the name somewhere down the road. No telling what might turn up that gets misunderstood. As a writer, I think that would leave too much open to chance. Best to include any needed info in the submission so they don't have to go looking for it, because they won't go looking for it, they'll just move onto the next one at the worst or ignore it at best. If it is in the cover letter, then they may read it. The only time I go googling or clicking on links in a submission is if I suspect plagiarism, or that it is a reprint they failed to tell us it was.


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   Posted 5/10/2008 6:05 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Too true Bill.


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   Posted 5/10/2008 3:39 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's not about taking sides, its about seeing both sides. Jaq, don't take this the wrong way, but based on your comments I think you'd really get a lot from a stint reading slush somewhere; it would open your eyes to what editors have to deal with, and why they get irritated by the stuff they do. Trust me, it doesn't take long before crap like people not following directions and being arrogant and rude (and usually having ability in inverse proportion to their swagger) will get right up your nose. And remember, on your side of the equation it's a one on one encounter, on the editor's it's a one on dozens or hundreds or thousands -- you can't make exceptions for everyone, or deal with everyone on a personal basis.


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   Posted 5/10/2008 2:03 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Regarding the 20k piece, you are right and I meant to say the same.  Receiving a query about something like that and giving me the editor the chance to at least know about it in advance makes a huge difference. I'm totally open to that.
 
And I also agree with you in the sense that the less an editor/publisher pays and/or does for its authors, the less demanding he/she/it should be. To a degree. That is a hard line to stick to, though, when you are a small press editor who would love to be able to afford to pay more to his authors but there just ain't money to do it with.  When submissions are pouring over the windowsills though, as they continue to pile up in droves, it's rather hard for an editor not to reject reading the 20k manuscript in favor of reading the five 4k manuscripts on either side of it simply out of an "You've got to be kidding me!?" mentality. It all comes down to practicality and time, and I'm often out of both smilewinkgrin
 
I believe I side more often than not with "the writers" than "the editors"  - Though I'm enjoying it, I'm the latter by accident and still trying to become the former.  I believe that the better I do my editing/publishing/promoting tasks, the better I serve the authors who come to me. I believe that the more quality product I can put out the better it will be for my authors. So I believe the better FSP becomes, the better off its authors will become.


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First Book Released: The Return of the Sword
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von Darkmoor's thoughts - where it all began

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