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ScrewMoonshine
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   Posted 3/24/2006 2:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've received my third rejection for what I'd consider one of my finest stories so far. What's really got me frustrated is that, except for one magazine that has a strict no-constructive-criticism policy, all the markets I sent it to essentially said that my story was great but not right for them. That's nothing to complain about, of course; I'm always happy when my stories get unbiased praise. But the Garfield strip from January 16 keeps nagging at my brain...

The thing is, I really did take care which magazines I sent the story to, so their telling me the story isn't right for them rather discourages my hopes that a market does exist for this story. The story falls into a narrow niche; it's set in a milleu centered on both sci fi and fantasy elements, yet you hardly see any magic in the story, and the society is at a similar technology level to our own. So I'm sure that no literary mag would touch it, and at the same time it probably won't capture the imaginations of speculative fiction editors. That leaves only markets which accept a majority of genres, and I've already been rejected by three of those.

Anyway, this post does have a constructive purpose: I've scanned Duotrope Digest and come up with a list of five markets that sound like they could be interested in my story. However, before I start spending money and time on sample copies, does my (brief) description of my story suggest to anyone a good market to send it to?

Robert Orme
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   Posted 3/24/2006 3:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Robert,
Only Five? Which ones?
What else are you trying to do with this story? Are you trying to place it at any particular level of market? How long is it?
From what you've said, off the top of my head I think of the following markets;
Neo-Opsis
Nova SF
Strange Horizons
Andromeda Spaceways Inflight Magazine
Baen's Universe
Fantastic Stories
Electric Velocipede
Ideomancer
Leading Edge
and many others. Obviously I need more information to really help. Or just e-mail me the story and I'll look at it and see if I can think of a good market for it. I have samples, mostly recent samples, of about seventy markets. Can't promise nuthin but I'd be willin ta give it a shot.
Mike


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"Two Ravens" in Amazing Journeys Magazine #9 Sept. 05
"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises

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   Posted 3/24/2006 5:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My reaction is the same: only five? I've only once sold a piece to a pro market the first time around, and yes, I did specifically write the story for that market. I've done the same with dozens of other stories and gotten rejections. Diligent mailing has gotten most of those pieces sold, but it was not on the first go around. Perhaps the second, perhaps the twelfth. I keep submitting them until they sell.
 
I feel "thank you for your great story, but it's just not right for our magazine" is a catch-all rejection. It sounds like it pertains to your piece, but it could apply to just about anything (like a horoscope). I feel it is a way of sounding better than a form letter while still being a form letter. Whenever I get a letter like that, even if it's hand written, I throw it away just like it said "Dear Author" at the top.
 
Unless it says "Robert, I found your story fascinating, but I just don't believe Frederick's tale of revenge would be suitable for our market" then the comments don't matter. It's generic, and that's the same rejection everybody gets.
 
My rule of thumb is that if it doesn't sell to the top ten markets I figure would buy it, nobody probably will. Then I file it for rewriting in a few years and move on. It's tough to be callous with your creations; sometimes it's just necessary.
 
I wish you the best of luck with this piece. Knowing nothing about the story, I say press on with a few more markets that you feel might be interested. If you get rejections then you're probably better off spending your energy on getting something else published. Best advice I can give from the guy who has well over one hundred unpublished stories under his belt.



Rob Santa

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   Posted 3/25/2006 12:33 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The story falls into a narrow niche; it's set in a milleu centered on both sci fi and fantasy elements, yet you hardly see any magic in the story, and the society is at a similar technology level to our own.
 
Sorry, but that's not a very narrow niche. Maybe there's something else you're forgetting to tell us about the story?


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   Posted 3/26/2006 2:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, I was pretty stringent with my search on Duotrope, as I wasn't looking for a comprehensive list, just the next one or two places to send my story. I skipped over ones that offered professional rates(I assume my chances of getting accepted there are relatively small), or sounded like they were essentially literary markets trying to appear open-minded, or are published only electronically. (I know it sounds snooty, but I'm insistent on my first publication going to a print market. Electronic publication is too fleeting for my liking.) If I'd been going for quantity I'm sure I would have picked out a lot more markets.

It's 2,282 words long, so at least it's at a pretty ideal length. I should have mentioned that it's a Christianity-oriented story. The basic premise is that the ability to use magic becomes considered a sign of God's grace; the story is about how a child deals with the discovery that this is not the case. Social disillusionment isn't the most original of concepts, but I think the ending and strength in the writing more than make up for that.

Thanks for offering to look at my story, Mike, but I'd feel guilty about imposing on your time. Electric Velocipede seems like an interesting market - hadn't heard of it before. I might send the story their way.

Rob, I was just paraphrasing what the rejection letters said; they were fairly specific about why they felt it didn't fit with them. Thanks for all your advice though!

Robert Orme
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   Posted 3/26/2006 2:49 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Robert,
Good luck with placing the stiry, let us know how it goes.
Mike


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www.baen.com
"Two Ravens" in Amazing Journeys Magazine #9 Sept. 05
"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises

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   Posted 3/26/2006 2:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
davidolson22 said...
The story falls into a narrow niche; it's set in a milleu centered on both sci fi and fantasy elements, yet you hardly see any magic in the story, and the society is at a similar technology level to our own.


Sorry, but that's not a very narrow niche. Maybe there's something else you're forgetting to tell us about the story?


Sorry, but off the top of my head I can't come up with a single recently-published story that has both sci fi and fantasy elements, never mind one where those elements have almost a background role in the story, so I can't but conclude that it's a pretty narrow niche. Obviously, we're not reading the same magazines.

Robert Orme
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   Posted 3/26/2006 3:07 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think the two of you are using the term "Niche" differently. Robert, I believe david is saying that the stated background of you story doesn't eliminate very many markets. Even a hard SF magazine like Asimov's might take it, they do one fantasy type story an issue of a certain type and yours might, having never seen it, fall into that type. The same with a lot of markets that have a pretty specific story type but end up accepting a wide variety of material. Even Black Gate has published SF peices, and I'd at least try some of the flashier markets before going with a place like Electric Velocipede, though they print some fine stories I was somewhat put off by the low values of the pub itself. I'd try markets like Fantastic Stories of the imagination, Tales of the Unanticipated or Talebones first. Maybe Ed K's Amazing Journeys magazine ( which has top notch production values) or even a major like F&SF. I have no idea what F&SF is really looking for, they've bounced me every time but they don't take long to say no thanks.
Mike


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www.baen.com
"Two Ravens" in Amazing Journeys Magazine #9 Sept. 05
"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises

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   Posted 3/26/2006 3:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think the religious elements are going to get you rejected more often than anything else, honestly.


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   Posted 3/26/2006 3:49 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
davidolson22 said...
I think the religious elements are going to get you rejected more often than anything else, honestly.

And that's why we have Christian Science Fiction markets.
Mike


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www.baen.com
"Two Ravens" in Amazing Journeys Magazine #9 Sept. 05
"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises

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   Posted 3/26/2006 8:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I can think of three markets right off the top of my head that will look at Christian-oriented speculative fiction: Dreams & Visions; Dragons, Knights & Angels, and Deep Magic. Add Amazing Journeys to that, I bet (Ed has often expressed his beliefs to the point that I believe Christian-oriented fiction would be welcome there).

I don't believe religious elements will get stories rejected out of hand. A good story with religious elements will still get published. I'm not Christian and don't write Christian-oriented fiction. But I've written two stories that, when viewed from a Christian perspective, could be interpretted that way (as in a significant presence of angels or God). Both stories sold to markets that were not Christian-oriented.

I've never run across a set of guidelines that said "we will not publish stories with a religious message." If you're concerned about being preachy, well, that's a whole different ball of wax. I don't feel the sledgehammer approach to writing ever works, regardless of the message. If after you read several stories from a few different issues of the market you're aiming at you still feel your story would be welcome, then by all means send it to them. The worst they can say is "no."

By the same token, if your story has a strong Christian message, what is stopping you from sending it to markets that specialize in that kind of fiction? Seems a perfect fit to me.



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   Posted 3/27/2006 2:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree that stories generally won't get rejected just for being Christianity-oriented. You can deny the existence of God, but you can't deny the existence of Christianity, and I think the vast majority of editors realize that. There are more than likely one or two editors out there who will rip to shreds anything that even mentions Christ, but since I don't feel my story is preachy, I doubt that many editors will turn it down due to the Christianity element.

I actually have tried a mag specializing in Christian fiction; Dreams & Visions was the second pub I sent it to. Wish I knew why they didn't want it.

I think I see what you mean now by it not being a small niche, David. Fact is, I've always hesitated to submit to markets which have a minimum of slots for my story. The way most mags emphasize reading sample copies has me terrified that any story that isn't compatible with most of what they publish will be returned with an angry demand that I read the magazine(or [shudder] the guidelines). Maybe it's high time I got some guts.

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   Posted 3/30/2006 12:34 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well. Thanks for suggesting Neo-Opsis, Mike! I tried them first because I'd already read a sample copy of the magazine. I got a rejection back in less than six hours WITH helpful criticism and suggestions! Sheesh, I had no idea Neo-Opsis had response times like that. I'll have to send them something else sometime.

Of course, an acceptance would have been better, but one can't be picky. On to the next market!

Robert Orme
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   Posted 3/30/2006 2:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Robert,
I'm glad they got back to you so fast! I myself have never subitted to them, I just recalled that their guides indicated they would be open to stories like you discribed.
Mike


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"Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books
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"Two Ravens" in Amazing Journeys Magazine #9 Sept. 05
"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises

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