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Jordan Lapp
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   Posted 8/13/2007 11:59 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I know. Why is this in the brag forum?
 
I actually got a nice rejection from Nick Mamatas. After seeing how he's torn apart other writers, I'm actually glowing at the wording of this.
 
Nick Mamatas said...

Now, the LAST segment, that was good!  There's your story. The
frission between the attraction to and repulsion for this robots is
the central theme here, and having the naive kid run through it -
"faking" coughing (or maybe his mother just says that to us; good
unreliable narrator there) after liking Eddy so much was pretty good.
He said my writing was good. With an exclamation point. And he actually got to the end of my story. It's not publication, but I still feel good.


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   Posted 8/14/2007 12:21 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
:) if it made you feel good, what more can you ask?


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   Posted 8/14/2007 2:18 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
:-)

That's great! I remember how Chris Cevasco made me glow with his rejection.


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   Posted 8/14/2007 2:50 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That is an accomplishment!
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   Posted 8/14/2007 4:49 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mamatas may be spiky, particular on his blog (entertaining, but spiky), but in my experience his critiques are spot on, and he is always careful to praise where praise is appropriate as well as criticise where criticism is appropriate.

I'd suggest taking his advice, rewriting, and then going for other markets that are in the same broad area as Clarkesworld (Strange Horizons, Ideomancer, Heliotrope and Trabuco Road spring to mind).


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   Posted 8/14/2007 7:05 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Congrats on your rejection (as odd as that is to write). I know that an insightful and helpful rejection can be strangely uplifting and it sounds like you've got a good story there. Well done.


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   Posted 8/14/2007 10:40 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Congrats! I hope he's half that nice with my rejection (should be coming any day now).
 
I sent my first short story Clarksworld and in the comments that came back one of them was "I can't believe you sent me this."
rofl


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   Posted 8/14/2007 12:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
   Even a reputed skeptic seems to think there's something there, so, er...congratulations on having good work rejected in a good way.


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   Posted 8/14/2007 4:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Great brag, Jordan, definitely worth placement here. Although this is a very strange 'here' I'm starting to realize.


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   Posted 8/14/2007 4:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hamstersbane said...
 
I sent my first short story Clarksworld and in the comments that came back one of them was "I can't believe you sent me this."
rofl  
OMFG ROFLMAOSTC. That's AWESOME. There's a little filter that most of us have between brain and mouth that Nick seems to lack. I love him for it.
 
The guy's scathing but he knows great fiction. I'm determined to keep sending him stuff until something makes it through.


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   Posted 8/14/2007 4:27 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey yeah, that's certainly worth a brag :-) Nice!


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   Posted 8/14/2007 6:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jordan Lapp said...

 
The guy's scathing but he knows great fiction. I'm determined to keep sending him stuff until something makes it through.
Not a bad plan...my problem is I tend to write in the 5,000 to 6,000 word range. I have a hard time with anything under 4,000.


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   Posted 8/15/2007 7:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"The guy's scathing but he knows great fiction. I'm determined to keep sending him stuff until something makes it through."

I've kind of poked around at Clarkesworld, and I read two stories. The first a weird tale about a Japanese whale vagina harvester, that spirals into a story about mass producing masks of the harvester. I'm not sure if it was a comment on the alien aspect of Japanese culture from the western viewpoint, or just surreal drivel. Either way, I didn't think it worked. The other story was an anti-heroic piece (not to be confused with anti-hero) tale about a demon-bear that kills everybody and wanders off, thus apparently perpetuating its legend (not sure on this, been awhile, but I remember being disappointed at the almost non-existent ending)...I guess that's what the story was meant to convey, didn't really do much for me. Neither one I considered even good fiction, more like a "Well, I've wasted twenty-five minutes what now?". If stories aren't very entertaining they should have a point or at least a clever twist. I don't mind pointless stories IF they are entertaining. This isn't bitter grapes because I was rejected (I received a semi-positive rejection from Mamatas for Azieran: The Seal of Mon'Ta'Set). There are several venues I've received rejections from that I think published some excellent tales. Granted, I only read two stories I thought might be interesting from Clarkesworld that weren't, and I skipped around on a third where the ending seemed to have discounted the entire story as a fever-dream (did I mention a point to the ending, I think I did!). I don't think anyone should be as scathing as Nick for any reason, especially considering the stories I've read that he accepted.


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   Posted 8/15/2007 8:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've got to say Chris, I'm with you.
I am too flippin' busy and far too old to put up with anybody's crap but my own. I like his magazine, but I like other magazines just as well. Tell me the truth, but if your notes in the rejection are for any purpose other than helping me to write a better story, then I simply haven't the time.


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   Posted 8/16/2007 10:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MichaelEhart said...
I've got to say Chris, I'm with you.
I am too flippin' busy and far too old to put up with anybody's crap but my own. I like his magazine, but I like other magazines just as well. Tell me the truth, but if your notes in the rejection are for any purpose other than helping me to write a better story, then I simply haven't the time.
 Exact-a-mundo, gents!  What I tried to say months ago.  I should have just interviewed the two of yous and posted the quotes. smilewinkgrin


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   Posted 8/16/2007 11:33 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Chris,

That bear story was "The Third Bear" by Jeff Vandermeer, a World Fantasy Award winner. The ending may have felt pointless, but you cannot deny that it was original and the quality of the prose was top-notch. In fact, while I haven't enjoyed every story on Clarkesworld, they've all been exceedinly well written.


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   Posted 8/17/2007 9:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I was pretty let down by The Third Bear, especially the ending. I've read much better on Flashing Swords, for instance. World Fantasy Award winner means the winner must have talent, but it doesn't mean every story they write is going to be gold. I remember thinking he turned some nice phrases, but the pacing was a little slow and overall, not that good---certainly nothing that impressed me to the point of thinking, "Now that's a tale that someone should be paying top dollar for!". I certainly didn't think it was original, actually quite the opposite (I called it an anti-heroic tale because there is no hero, just a demonic bear that kills people and makes a pattern out of heads, then wanders off---not much conflict resolution there). That's just my take on one story, I'm sure he's written some great tales. Would you want to read a short story about a serial killer, who wants to kill, say 7 people, then he kills them and wanders off. I guess it's a story, but not much of one. I may be wrong, but it seems like you're saying that since he was a World Fantasy Award winner he wrote a great tale and it was accepted by Clarkesworld. I have a different take on it--I think that because he is a World Fantasy Award winner, that got his mediocre tale into Clarkesworld. I seriously doubt if a no-name submitted this story it would have been accepted, and I'm sure Mamatas would have mentioned everything I have just mentioned, but of course, being 10x more rude about it. I remember seeing something on a Vandermeer web page about being friends with Mamatas, so I wasn't surprised when his story showed up on Clarkesworld, I was surprised at the lack of plot and originality---and I don't remember the characters being all that great, either, they were just brave enough to face the bear and die.


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   Posted 8/17/2007 11:53 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Christopher_Heath said...
I think that because he is a World Fantasy Award winner, that got his mediocre tale into Clarkesworld. I seriously doubt if a no-name submitted this story it would have been accepted...
I've always wondered about that.


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   Posted 8/18/2007 1:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi,

Just wanted to drop in and clarify something. The Watson and Vandermeer stories being used as examples of stories Nick bought for Clarkesworld were actually solicited stories that Sean Wallace, our other editor, purchased.

Easy enough mistake to make. If you want the secret to figuring out who bought what though, the solicited story is always the first one in an issue. Nick's selection is second.

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   Posted 8/18/2007 4:32 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As an update, Nick Mamatas commented on this thread on LiveJournal. You can find it here: http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/990187.html?view=12907243#t12907243


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   Posted 8/19/2007 6:26 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the info, Jordan and Neil. I just posted at Nick's blog.


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"Azieran: The Breaking of Hell's Bones" in Black Sails by 1018 Press
"Azieran: Distilling the Essence" in Sails and Sorcery by Fantasist Enterprises
"Azieran: The Conquerors" in Chimaera Serials
"Azieran: Pawn of the Serpentine Witch" in Chronicles of Fantasy by ComStar Media
"Azieran: Sentinel of an Ageless Reign" in Chronicles of Fantasy by ComStar Media
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   Posted 8/19/2007 9:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Awesome! jumpin

Way better than the reject I got from Clarkesworld! He told me my prose was flat. smhair

tha sad thing is, after looking at the story, I found myself agreeing. shocked


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   Posted 8/19/2007 11:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

First let me add my congrats to Jordan's pile of smiles. It's always a great feeling to get a rejection that makes you grin. cool

Second, I must say that while I don't know the editor in question, and do not read Clarkesworld much, I read and enjoyed The Third Bear.  I thought the pov character was heroic, and not just cause he intentionally occupied the bear while his family escaped (and I'm puzzled as to why that does not qualify as a heroic deed?), but also becuase he tries to keep the villagers wits together, find the witch, etc.  Not every hero has to be massively successful.  His wife is also a hero, in her own way.

But the story also brought up such issues as who is the real enemy?  And why is that person the enemy?  It was rather a grim story, but I appreciated the irony of the villagers falling into the hands of this bear which was brought into being through their own cruelty.


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