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|  David Boultbee Neophyte

       Date Joined Aug 2007 Total Posts : 107 | Posted 9/2/2007 1:58 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Nicholas said...
Guardians of the Flame by Joel Rosenberg. I remembered reading this when I was in junior high, and the premise drew me in because I was as a kid a huge D&D geek. Roleplayers who suddenly find themselves in the fantasy world as their characters, their actual personalities morphed with their characters! What made it more intriguing was rather than a case of teen wish fulfillment, they found themselves in a world that was hard, harsh, unforgiving, and many of them quickly began to miss their cushy American lives. Some died--and when that happened, it wasn't merely an excuse to roll up a new character: they were dead. In fact, I think that as an adolescent I only got about halfway through the series and then lost interest because it was too dark.
So, I picked it up again about a month ago, curious whether I'd appreciate it as an adult. The fact that I remembered it as being dark was a promising sign: to do this idea justice, it would have to get pretty grim.
I only managed about four chapters this time. In Rosenberg's defense, this was his first novel, but the writing struck me as sloppy and amateurish, the dialogue clunky. Maybe his writing improved over time, but I don't have time--with so many other books calling to me--to give him the benefit of the doubt. So it looks like the series will, for me, remain unfinished.
IMO the first book in the GoF series is the best. The first 3 weren't bad over all as they all had the Carl / Karl character to carry them over but once he died it became a bit tired.
I still have the first 3 (somewhere I think) and I don't mind them. Mind you, I don't rave about them but I thought they were okay.
David Boultbee
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  |  Gustavo Sage

       Date Joined Aug 2007 Total Posts : 1312 | Posted 8/31/2007 3:10 PM (GMT -5) |   | I read Dune a few years ago and really, really liked it, even with all the hype.
For terrible disappointments, check out (or, better yet, avoid like the plague): The coming of the King by Nikolai (yes, Nkolai) Tolstoy. Great grandson of Leo, writing about Merlin. Should have ben good, but was the only book in the last twenty years that I've actually laid down unfinished. Other major disappointments have been the newer work by David and Leigh Eddings, especially "The Elder Gods". I loved the Belgariad, the Malloreon and even the Sparhawk books, but everything since has been much worse.
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 |  H.P. Lovesauce Necronomicondiment

       Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 585 | Posted 8/31/2007 6:17 AM (GMT -5) |   | Mary Freakin' Gentle.
What is it with overlong English novels? Did they have strict wartime editor-rationing that carries through to today?
Orcs was a one-note joke told in far too many pages; Rats & Gargoyles took 100 pages to describe one hour of action. | | Back to Top | | |
  |  Nicholas Sage

       Date Joined Jun 2006 Total Posts : 1041 | Posted 6/15/2007 2:26 PM (GMT -5) |   | Guardians of the Flame by Joel Rosenberg. I remembered reading this when I was in junior high, and the premise drew me in because I was as a kid a huge D&D geek. Roleplayers who suddenly find themselves in the fantasy world as their characters, their actual personalities morphed with their characters! What made it more intriguing was rather than a case of teen wish fulfillment, they found themselves in a world that was hard, harsh, unforgiving, and many of them quickly began to miss their cushy American lives. Some died--and when that happened, it wasn't merely an excuse to roll up a new character: they were dead. In fact, I think that as an adolescent I only got about halfway through the series and then lost interest because it was too dark.
So, I picked it up again about a month ago, curious whether I'd appreciate it as an adult. The fact that I remembered it as being dark was a promising sign: to do this idea justice, it would have to get pretty grim.
I only managed about four chapters this time. In Rosenberg's defense, this was his first novel, but the writing struck me as sloppy and amateurish, the dialogue clunky. Maybe his writing improved over time, but I don't have time--with so many other books calling to me--to give him the benefit of the doubt. So it looks like the series will, for me, remain unfinished.
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 |  Nicholas Sage

       Date Joined Jun 2006 Total Posts : 1041 | Posted 6/15/2007 2:15 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Stuart Clark said... Sphere by Michael Crichton. The ending was such a cop out. Almost like he didn't know how to end it and had just written SOMETHING. Just made me feel like reading the previous x hundred pages had been a total waste of time. After reading about half-a-dozen Crichton books, I started to recognize a pattern, in fact what I'd call the Crichton formula. His books always draw you in with fascinating premises, and Sphere is a perfect case in point. He manages to evoke a sense of wonder and to stimulate intellectual curiosity with his premise. In Sphere, the characters' discussions of what forms alien life might take--whether theoritically we'd even recognize it as life, if it weren't carbon based--are riveting (to me, a lover of spec lit, anyway). But Sphere inevitably falls into the same formula with which Crichton seems to end all his books: characters chasing each other around with guns. Yes, regardless the plot--whether it be the discovery of an alien artifact or a lost civilization and deadly apes or dinosaurs brought back to life--ultimately the plot will wind down with who will shoot whom first? It's ridiculous. Crichton could take the plot of Bridges of Madison County and you can bet the ending would be a tense cat-and-mouse shoot-out between the photographer, the cheating wife, and the cuckolded husband (granted, this would probably be an improvement ). But it gets tiresome and predictable, especially when it is used time and again to wrap up such innovative and imaginative plots. I agree that Crichton--not just with Sphere, but in general--cannot end a book.
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  |  Frank Adept

       Date Joined Aug 2005 Total Posts : 629 | Posted 6/15/2007 10:53 AM (GMT -5) |   | "covered in red ink" ?
Ouch!
I think I like this guy... | | Back to Top | | |
  |  crystalwizard Forum Moderator

       Date Joined Nov 2006 Total Posts : 4998 | Posted 6/14/2007 1:03 PM (GMT -5) |   | Inverted World by Christopher Priest.
The story was good, right up till the ending. The ending sucked. It screamed loudly that either Christopher didn't know how to end it or his publisher had decided he needed to end it now or something along those lines. | | Back to Top | | |
   |  Frank Adept

       Date Joined Aug 2005 Total Posts : 629 | Posted 6/14/2007 11:27 AM (GMT -5) |   | | I liked Dune but I won't send forth any sandworms to destroy you. You must admit, however, it was an important book in its day. No one else was really writing anything like it in 1964. | | Back to Top | | |
   |  morska Stablehand
        Date Joined Jun 2007 Total Posts : 1 | Posted 6/13/2007 7:21 PM (GMT -5) |   | Sounds like "Inverted World" by Christopher Priest. They weren't shrunk, their physical laws had been altered so behind the city (which they call the past) time ran slower, and dimensionally they got taller and thinner compared to the rest of the world; and the opposite ahead of them. They had to keep their city moving following the moving spot on the Earth's surface where their physics matched normal laws, or the city would gradually become distorted and eventually destroyed. That's not a complete description but best I can do.
Coincidentally around the time the experiment that caused this to happen went wrong (several thousand miles in the past i.e. at least a hundred years) some world catastrophe wiped out most of civilisation, therefore they don't know they're still on the Earth.
The ending is a bit lame since it becomes obvious to the reader they're on the Earth quite a long time before the city characters figure it out, but I'd still recommend reading it, actually - I thought the rest of it was an interesting and unique idea, well thought out and plotted.
Incidentally on Christopher Priest I'd avoid "Indoctrinaire", which is several previously unrelated short stories forced together into a novel, which doesn't really work. "Infinite Summer" I'd borrow but not buy. "A Dream Of Wessex" is OK, and "The Space Machine" is quite good if you're a fan of HG Wells. | | Back to Top | | |
      |  Blue Tyson Stablehand
        Date Joined Dec 2006 Total Posts : 24 | Posted 12/22/2006 2:54 AM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
 |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 4539 | Posted 1/29/2006 3:18 PM (GMT -5) |   | G.W., I wouldn't say that you are wrong about S. King. He's an incredible writer who needs a gutsy editor to make him toe the line and get the most from his work. He hasn't had one for a couple of decades and it shows. Mike
Michael D. Turner "Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books www.baen.com "Two Ravens" in Amazing Journeys Magazine #9 Sept. 05 "An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises | | Back to Top | | |
 |  ragemachine Neophyte
        Date Joined May 2005 Total Posts : 73 | Posted 1/29/2006 1:53 PM (GMT -5) |   | I love Saberhagen's stuff. maybe I haven't read the right ones. The author I think ends poorly is Stephen King. He's a short story writer who writes huge novels. Always about 3/4 of the way through he peters out. (He's also hugely successful so I guess I'm wrong.)
GW
G. W. Thomas has appeared in over 350 different books, magazines and ezines including Black October Magazine, Writer's Digest and The Armchair Detective.
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