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David Boultbee
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Nicholas said...

Guardians of the Flame by Joel Rosenberg. I remembered reading this when I was in junior high, and the premise drew me in because I was as a kid a huge D&D geek. Roleplayers who suddenly find themselves in the fantasy world as their characters, their actual personalities morphed with their characters! What made it more intriguing was rather than a case of teen wish fulfillment, they found themselves in a world that was hard, harsh, unforgiving, and many of them quickly began to miss their cushy American lives. Some died--and when that happened, it wasn't merely an excuse to roll up a new character: they were dead. In fact, I think that as an adolescent I only got about halfway through the series and then lost interest because it was too dark.

So, I picked it up again about a month ago, curious whether I'd appreciate it as an adult. The fact that I remembered it as being dark was a promising sign: to do this idea justice, it would have to get pretty grim.

I only managed about four chapters this time. In Rosenberg's defense, this was his first novel, but the writing struck me as sloppy and amateurish, the dialogue clunky. Maybe his writing improved over time, but I don't have time--with so many other books calling to me--to give him the benefit of the doubt. So it looks like the series will, for me, remain unfinished. 

IMO the first book in the GoF series is the best. The first 3 weren't bad over all as they all had the Carl / Karl character to carry them over but once he died it became a bit tired.

I still have the first 3 (somewhere I think) and I don't mind them. Mind you, I don't rave about them but I thought they were okay.


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Gustavo said...
For terrible disappointments, check out (or, better yet, avoid like the plague): The coming of the King by Nikolai (yes, Nkolai) Tolstoy.


Well, which is it, Nikolai or Nkolai?

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   Posted 8/31/2007 3:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I read Dune a few years ago and really, really liked it, even with all the hype.

For terrible disappointments, check out (or, better yet, avoid like the plague): The coming of the King by Nikolai (yes, Nkolai) Tolstoy.  Great grandson of Leo, writing about Merlin.  Should have ben good, but was the only book in the last twenty years that I've actually laid down unfinished.  Other major disappointments have been the newer work by David and Leigh Eddings, especially "The Elder Gods".  I loved the Belgariad, the Malloreon and even the Sparhawk books, but everything since has been much worse.

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   Posted 8/31/2007 6:17 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mary Freakin' Gentle.

What is it with overlong English novels? Did they have strict wartime editor-rationing that carries through to today?

Orcs was a one-note joke told in far too many pages; Rats & Gargoyles took 100 pages to describe one hour of action.
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Man,

 Bad books? How about bad movies like Starship Invasions? (circa 1977)  

 
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"The plot seems to be trying to pack as much Age of Aquarius and UFO mysticism in as possible. It touches obvious bases with Erich von Daniken, locating the aliens in pyramids in the Bermuda Triangle and giving them Graeco-Egyptian names like Ramses and Phi. It seems a wonderful concoction of all that is bad science-fiction played in absolute deadpan – alien women in bikini costumes and white spandex jumpsuits; pyramid interiors with blinking esoteric lighting schemes; bald aliens of coolly aloof superiority; a robot that is clearly a stuntman dressed in a crinkly grey spandex jumpsuit, a diving helmet with long metal spikes of no discernible function and gloves; an amazing series of UFO abductions, including the proverbial one where a dim-witted yokel is forced to have sex; UFO shootouts in outer space; mind-control devices that cause anarchy and suicide on the streets. What more could one possibly want?"

 


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Guardians of the Flame by Joel Rosenberg. I remembered reading this when I was in junior high, and the premise drew me in because I was as a kid a huge D&D geek. Roleplayers who suddenly find themselves in the fantasy world as their characters, their actual personalities morphed with their characters! What made it more intriguing was rather than a case of teen wish fulfillment, they found themselves in a world that was hard, harsh, unforgiving, and many of them quickly began to miss their cushy American lives. Some died--and when that happened, it wasn't merely an excuse to roll up a new character: they were dead. In fact, I think that as an adolescent I only got about halfway through the series and then lost interest because it was too dark.

So, I picked it up again about a month ago, curious whether I'd appreciate it as an adult. The fact that I remembered it as being dark was a promising sign: to do this idea justice, it would have to get pretty grim.

I only managed about four chapters this time. In Rosenberg's defense, this was his first novel, but the writing struck me as sloppy and amateurish, the dialogue clunky. Maybe his writing improved over time, but I don't have time--with so many other books calling to me--to give him the benefit of the doubt. So it looks like the series will, for me, remain unfinished. 

 
 

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Stuart Clark said...
Sphere by Michael Crichton. The ending was such a cop out. Almost like he didn't know how to end it and had just written SOMETHING.  Just made me feel like reading the previous x hundred pages had been a total waste of time.
After reading about half-a-dozen Crichton books, I started to recognize a pattern, in fact what I'd call the Crichton formula. His books always draw you in with fascinating premises, and Sphere is a perfect case in point. He manages to evoke a sense of wonder and to stimulate intellectual curiosity with his premise. In Sphere, the characters' discussions of what forms alien life might take--whether theoritically we'd even recognize it as life, if it weren't carbon based--are riveting (to me, a lover of spec lit, anyway). But Sphere inevitably falls into the same formula with which Crichton seems to end all his books: characters chasing each other around with guns. Yes, regardless the plot--whether it be the discovery of an alien artifact or a lost civilization and deadly apes or dinosaurs brought back to life--ultimately the plot will wind down with who will shoot whom first? It's ridiculous. Crichton could take the plot of Bridges of Madison County and you can bet the ending would be a tense cat-and-mouse shoot-out between the photographer, the cheating wife, and the cuckolded husband (granted, this would probably be an improvement smilewinkgrin ). But it gets tiresome and predictable, especially when it is used time and again to wrap up such innovative and imaginative plots. I agree that Crichton--not just with Sphere, but in general--cannot end a book.


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   Posted 6/15/2007 2:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Saberhagen's swords novels disappointed me. Great premise and poor execution.


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   Posted 6/15/2007 10:53 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"covered in red ink" ?

Ouch!

I think I like this guy...
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Little People, by Tom Holt. I'm a fan of his early work (Expecting Someone Taller is a comic fantasy classic) but I was unable to finish this one. There were simply too many plot holes and inconsistencies for me to swallow. If I'd been his editor I'd have sent it back covered in red ink...


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   Posted 6/14/2007 1:03 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Inverted World by Christopher Priest.

The story was good, right up till the ending. The ending sucked. It screamed loudly that either Christopher didn't know how to end it or his publisher had decided he needed to end it now or something along those lines.
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   Posted 6/14/2007 11:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yeah, I was just teasing about Dune. It's a very important work of SF and has brought many a reader in from the cold....


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The name eludes me at the moment, but there was a trilogy written by Ed Greenwood that introduced his new Fantasy World (Forgotten Realms). I've enjoyed other Forgotten Realms books (most notably R.A. Salvatore books), and the art for these covers was phenommenal, so I decided to give it a try. Books typically take me a matter of a couple of days to a couple of weeks depending on how much time I have. These books took nearly 3 months! Even when I was reading, I just couldn't get into it (or develop any reason to care about the characters....I was reading solely for the purpose of "I bought these, I'm reading them!").


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   Posted 6/14/2007 11:27 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I liked Dune but I won't send forth any sandworms to destroy you. You must admit, however, it was an important book in its day. No one else was really writing anything like it in 1964.
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   Posted 6/14/2007 10:29 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've had trouble getting into a couple (Ender's Game and Dune)

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   Posted 6/14/2007 10:28 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I was disappointed with Peridido Street Station, the last Mieville book I bothered to read. The deux au machina "plot" along with Mieville's over-use of certain words and phrases ("Godsh*t" and "agog" among others) really drove me nuts.

Liked the vision of the book and the world-building but 3/4ths of the way through I could really feel myself losing interest.


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Sounds like "Inverted World" by Christopher Priest. They weren't shrunk, their physical laws had been altered so behind the city (which they call the past) time ran slower, and dimensionally they got taller and thinner compared to the rest of the world; and the opposite ahead of them. They had to keep their city moving following the moving spot on the Earth's surface where their physics matched normal laws, or the city would gradually become distorted and eventually destroyed. That's not a complete description but best I can do.

Coincidentally around the time the experiment that caused this to happen went wrong (several thousand miles in the past i.e. at least a hundred years) some world catastrophe wiped out most of civilisation, therefore they don't know they're still on the Earth.

The ending is a bit lame since it becomes obvious to the reader they're on the Earth quite a long time before the city characters figure it out, but I'd still recommend reading it, actually - I thought the rest of it was an interesting and unique idea, well thought out and plotted.

Incidentally on Christopher Priest I'd avoid "Indoctrinaire", which is several previously unrelated short stories forced together into a novel, which doesn't really work. "Infinite Summer" I'd borrow but not buy. "A Dream Of Wessex" is OK, and "The Space Machine" is quite good if you're a fan of HG Wells.
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crystalwizard said...
I can't remeber the title of this book, so I'll give a plot synopsis.

The thing was a thick book and most of the plot took place inside a city. For some reason relavent to the story which I can't remember now, most of the population took turns at physically moving the city. They had to keep the city moving or they were all going to die or something.

I waded through the entire book and then it ended with the author suddenly revealing that 'oh well, the city had actually been shrunk some time in the past, the people had been pushing it across the united states, they were now at the edge of the pacific ocean, the world didn't stop revolving and they were all itty bitty people compared to the rest of the human race. the end." I don't think I've been quite that angry about an ending. It was blatantly obvious that either the author couldn't figure out how to end it, he died and someone else ended it or he ran out of time and the publisher demanded he end it.

blech. I think it was called something like the inverted world or the inverted city but I could be really wrong on the title.

 
I don't blame you for being disappointed. First thing I did after reading your synopsis was lol. It also doesn't surprise me that you can't remember the title.


 
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I can't remeber the title of this book, so I'll give a plot synopsis.

The thing was a thick book and most of the plot took place inside a city. For some reason relavent to the story which I can't remember now, most of the population took turns at physically moving the city. They had to keep the city moving or they were all going to die or something.

I waded through the entire book and then it ended with the author suddenly revealing that 'oh well, the city had actually been shrunk some time in the past, the people had been pushing it across the united states, they were now at the edge of the pacific ocean, the world didn't stop revolving and they were all itty bitty people compared to the rest of the human race. the end." I don't think I've been quite that angry about an ending. It was blatantly obvious that either the author couldn't figure out how to end it, he died and someone else ended it or he ran out of time and the publisher demanded he end it.

blech. I think it was called something like the inverted world or the inverted city but I could be really wrong on the title.


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Specfiction.
I think that might be a key indicator-- after hearing so much about it. Some great books come with such a build-up they can't help but dissapoint the late coming reader. I've had trouble getting into a couple (Ender's Game and Dune) because I expect to be disappointed, there is no way they can meet up to the decades of hype I've been exposed to about them. I try to go in with lowered expectations, but I really can't.
I can not imagine how a reader could start something like LotR at this late date and not be somewhat dissapointed.
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To show how out-of-touch I am with much of the SF community today, I was very disappointed by "Enders Game" after hearing so much about it.


 
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   Posted 3/8/2007 6:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sphere by Michael Crichton.
 
The ending was such a cop out. Almost like he didn't know how to end it and had just written SOMETHING.  Just made me feel like reading the previous x hundred pages had been a total waste of time.
 
No disrespect to Crichton, Jurassic Park is still one of my favorite reads.


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Some of Walter Jon Williams, for me.


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G.W.,
I wouldn't say that you are wrong about S. King. He's an incredible writer who needs a gutsy editor to make him toe the line and get the most from his work. He hasn't had one for a couple of decades and it shows.
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I love Saberhagen's stuff. maybe I haven't read the right ones. The author I think ends poorly is Stephen King. He's a short story writer who writes huge novels. Always about 3/4 of the way through he peters out. (He's also hugely successful so I guess I'm wrong.)

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