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42 Day Poll - The contents of RotB (while only consisting of those genres RBE publishes) should
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stick to S&S exclusively - 11.8%
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remain in the Age of Heroes (pre-gun powder) no matter the genre - 41.2%
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hold all fantasy adventure (as long as it tells a good big beastie tale), era & setting be damned - 11.8%
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mix-n-match it all, genres and eras and settings - 35.3%

 
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von Darkmoor
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   Posted 7/22/2008 12:35 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, seeing as the SFReader gang has been so helpful over the years and we're all such a close-knit family afterall, I'd like to offer y'all the chance to influence what stories appear within the covers of Rage of the Behemoth (RotB).
 
My original intent had been an anthology of tales, while not necessarily sword & sorcery, sword-specific. An anthology, while not filled with barbarians and carnage and battle axes and melees . . . . definitely not stranger to them. An anthology of heroes armed more often with wands and war hammers and wits, then with MAC-10s and mushroom clouds.
 
and yet . . . .
 
I've been receiving numerous more 'modern' tales, stories set now or in the near now, stories of reminisce told in the here and now, stories beginning now and ending up elsewhere or in another time. So far they've all managed to avoid the scientific, at least ;-)
 
At first I was rejecting them, for I did not want them; then I was rejecting them yet telling authors that if the objective of the anthology changed I would be interested in re-reading their tales, for I might possibly be persuaded to expand its focus; now I'm wondering if I simply should start considering such tales, for I have received some pretty darn good stories whose only 'fault' lies in their timeframe or setting.
 
SO this post.
 
Cast your vote and potentially influence the contents of RotB. You have 42 days to provide me an answer to it all - though I can't guarantee the final product will reflect the results of the poll.
 
But your vote could make the difference. And yes, RBE staff members are allowed to vote.


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   Posted 7/22/2008 12:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't see an option for what I'd like, which is 'secondary world or alt historical fantasy, pre-modern (or so far future as to seem a secondary world).' I like gunpowder and steam launches and air balloons just fine. What I really don't like is contemporary stuff mixed with high fantasy, S&S, etc. -- I just don't think the two rest comfortably alongside one another between the pages of the same book or magazine.

With so many markets being dominated by 'modern' fantasy, I personally hate to see those stories taking slots in the very few anthos or mags that actually accept and encourage secondary world fantasy. Keep it pure I say -- when people pick up an antho they want a certain kind of story, not necessarily a little bit of everything.

Focusing on one thing will keep fans of that genre happy, spread the vision around and you're more likely to alienate fans who thought they were getting one thing and instead get a little bit of everything.

I voted 'Age of Heroes' as I think that reflects the restriction I'd like to see. I think the third choice is misleading, as 'fantasy' means a lot of different things. Stephen King and JRR Tolkien both write fantasy, but there's obviously a big difference in the feel of either.


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   Posted 7/22/2008 12:58 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Also, you won't have a problem filling your slots with S&S, if that's your thought. You will have a problem achieving a balance, though, if you accept any genre. What will you do if all the contemporary pieces you take are in the Ocean and your two scifi type pieces are both in Deserts, for example? The antho already has a self-imposed structure that will make any attempt to spread differences over the whole book difficult, I think if you throw in too many genre switches you might not be able to 'smooth them out.'

Getting these off-target submissions is completely typical, I know Rob & I fielded so many science fiction shorts for M&M even though we specifically said in the guidelines no science fiction. People like to take a long shot, they figure their underappreciated story is good enough for an editor to bend the rules. Maybe that's the case sometime -- I accepted one far future story for M&M because it felt like a fantasy -- but overall, it's about editorial vision first, and story quality second. It's not about the 'best stories period,' its about the 'best stories that meet my criteria.' Taken as a whole a consistently themed anthology is more than the sum of its parts, in my opinion, like RoTS. People were excited about that because it showed S&S didn't need any other genre's help, and it didn't have to be just a snack food mixed in with a lot of other, 'healthier' meals -- it could be a nourishing full course dinner all on its own.


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   Posted 7/22/2008 1:21 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jason, why don't you accept the stories that don't fit in RotB and put them into a second anthology? Change the payment terms on those. Don't pay anything up front. Offer the authors the same deal that Lyn and I did for Strange Worlds of Lunacy They get to buy copies of the book for the same printing price you get it for plus shipping. That way, the stories get into print, you get two books to sell and so do the authors.


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   Posted 7/22/2008 2:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sometimes, I think less is more. Starting out with a new press Jason needs to define himself, that means strongly themed books that all make sense together in a catalog; the sort of thing that people will want to buy all of, not just one of. He needs to 'energize the base' to borrow from political slang and win customer loyalty. The old adage of 'trying to please all of the people some of the time' applies well, here.

Now, that's just my unsolicited opinion as an outsider who pays attention to these things but has never been in his position. But I do see a lot of small presses that try to do everything and end up doing nothing.


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   Posted 7/23/2008 12:27 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
CW - not a bad idea at all, there's definitely tales that could go into a second anthology . . . and your payment plan is sound, too. I'll think about it all, yet that will probably have to be a much later future project.

I've got some very strong (or at least what I think is strong) material I want to get out and I have to take a steady, sure pace here - else I'll be just another dead and gone press before I even get established. Learning and setting up this business, web domain, publishing, marketing stuff is bogging me down greatly - and I'm supposed to also finally be doing a rewrite of my first story accepted for an anthology. Enough about me - I want to come out the gate strong and pounding what RBE is about - heroic adventure fiction, predominately fantasy, predominately in the Age of Heroes.

Bill's nailed a lot of my thoughts (you SURE you won't come work with me?!?), and perhaps once people read this they won't vote so I might not let this run its full 42 days. For now, keep on voting. If nothing else, it will at least give me an indication of interests, from both writers and readers.

Thanks, y'all.


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   Posted 7/23/2008 3:32 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In my opinion, Jason, you're probably best keeping with S&S/heroic fantasy and related material. At least early on. Give your audience a chance to learn what they can expect from you as a publisher. Then, later on, maybe even a few years later on, you can surprise them with something different, or several somethings different.

Amazon started with books, then expanded into all kinds of stuff (what DON'T they sell nowadays?).
Night Shade Books, if memory serves, started mostly with dark fantasy stuff, but has slowly expanded.
Even cw started mostly with fantasy, and now appears to have expanded.


"Beneath a Persian Sun" upcoming in Carnivah House's "Infinity Swords" anthology
"Peter Piker the Pankin Man" upcoming at Big Pulp

"Deep in the Land of the Ice and Snow" in "The Return of the Sword" anthology
"The Note" at Every Day Fiction
"Walking Between the Rain" at Every Day Fiction
"Terror in the Flare Lights" at The Tiny Globule
"Killing Just for Fun" at Demonic Tome
"Zombie Tears" at Tales of the Zombie War
"Steven Spielberg and The Magic Box" at The Ranfurly Review
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   Posted 7/24/2008 1:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
BUt...but...I just spent all this time writing an age of heroes epic?

You mean I could have written Starship Troopers meet Godzilla on Mars instead?

Hey, lets stick to the plan here.

I reckon mixing heroic fantasy with sci-fi and such is not going to be a wise choice for an anthology myself.
I don't think I've ever read an anthology that mixed age of heroes with Stars Wars type action...nor wanted to.

I don't think a REH novel that contains some Conan and Kull and Solomon Kane stories count. Kane could hardly be called 'modern' and it was still sword and sorcery/heroic adventure. Just had the odd flintlock pistol, now and again, is all.

Just my (not so) humble opinion.

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   Posted 7/24/2008 3:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm chiming in late here, it looks like, but I'd also like to see the anthology stick to sword-and-sorcery (or heroic fantasy, at least). I tend to prefer it as a reader, and I think that there's a real risk you'll lose readers if the focus of the anthology loses its clarity.



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   Posted 7/24/2008 11:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the words and the votes, y'all! It looks like straight S&S finally got itself a vote, too!

What I'm getting out of this poll and its comments is reinforcing what I thought and planned for RotB. I agree with the sentiments so aptly expressed here by several members. I guess I was starting to second-guess myself based upon the subs I was receiving. So leads me to now ask this:

Are the RotB guidelines as currently written clear enough? Or should I reword them?


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   Posted 7/24/2008 11:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
von Darkmoor said...

Are the RotB guidelines as currently written clear enough? Or should I reword them?


Jason, you know people don't read guidelines and even if they do, the miss half of what's stated. Your guidelines are fine.

Just use the subs that don't fit to your benefit. I'll email you.
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   Posted 7/24/2008 11:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
von Darkmoor said...
Thanks for the words and the votes, y'all! It looks like straight S&S finally got itself a vote, too!

What I'm getting out of this poll and its comments is reinforcing what I thought and planned for RotB. I agree with the sentiments so aptly expressed here by several members. I guess I was starting to second-guess myself based upon the subs I was receiving. So leads me to now ask this:

Are the RotB guidelines as currently written clear enough? Or should I reword them?

 
Well...I managed to work it out.smurf
 


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   Posted 7/25/2008 12:52 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The only things that may be unclear in the guidelines is the specific mention of 'creatures of myth and legend' as that has thrown several people already. I'd go ahead and specifically add a clause under guidelines where you talk about the creature being 'good, bad, indifferent' etc. and possibly just say it can come from mythology or straight out of the author's imagination.

If people don't follow that RBE genre link at the end of the section they might not 'get it' either. Maybe a sentence that specifically says this is an antho of heroic fantasy, sword & sorcery, and historical adventure -- just to hammer home the point some people are missing.

Still, people will continue to ignore guidelines no matter how well stated, just realize it has nothing to do with you. There was recently another giant creature anthology calling for subs but with a contemporary setting -- I wouldn't at all be surprised if you've gotten a bunch of stories that didn't make the cut from that.


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   Posted 7/25/2008 2:47 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The guidelines seemed clear to me.


"Beneath a Persian Sun" upcoming in Carnivah House's "Infinity Swords" anthology
"Peter Piker the Pankin Man" upcoming at Big Pulp

"Deep in the Land of the Ice and Snow" in "The Return of the Sword" anthology
"The Note" at Every Day Fiction
"Walking Between the Rain" at Every Day Fiction
"Terror in the Flare Lights" at The Tiny Globule
"Killing Just for Fun" at Demonic Tome
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"Steven Spielberg and The Magic Box" at The Ranfurly Review
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   Posted 7/25/2008 1:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Agreed Kelly and Bill.
Thanks Jaq and Ty and Bill.
They'll be very mildly adjusted this weekend, all in the interest of what's best for all involved smilewinkgrin


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   Posted 7/27/2008 2:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
von Darkmoor said...
What I'm getting out of this poll and its comments is reinforcing what I thought and planned for RotB. I agree with the sentiments so aptly expressed here by several members. I guess I was starting to second-guess myself based upon the subs I was receiving. So leads me to now ask this:

Are the RotB guidelines as currently written clear enough? Or should I reword them?

 

Not to be argumentative, but the guidelines say:

 

"whatever falls within the RBE genres"   By following the hyperlink, we find that these genres specifically include: 'historical adventure', 'swashbuckling adventure', and 'sword and planet'.   All of which can include firearms,  S&P can even include ray guns.  

 

So then, if only pre-gunpowder stories are wanted, simply specify that. 

 

You'll save on sorting through some subs in H/A, S/A, and S&P which are not what you're looking for.

 

 


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   Posted 7/27/2008 3:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You're not being argumentative, Rob - you've nailed it spot on. I made one of the proverbial newbie writer mistakes - forgot the readers can't read my mind and know everything I know.;-)
 
I'll admit my wording is off, as the full ramifications of 'within RBE genres' guidelines didn't originally strike me. Same with the 'pre-gunpowder' comment above. Hopefully, the former is rectified now that my webmaster has updated the site, as my new wording - which you'll have to take my word I typed on Friday - is much better (and also includes a link to what RBE does NOT want for those submitters who don't go to the submissions page). And the latter should more realistically say 'predominately pre-gunpowder' or some such, but something that better indicates swords swung by Romans are more desirable than even those swung by Conquistadors . . . which are still more desirable than those swung by the Blue and the Grey . . . which themselves are infinitely more desirable than those swung by interstellar time travelers arriving underclad and underarmed on primitive unknown worlds.
 


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   Posted 7/27/2008 6:27 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
>but something that better indicates swords swung by Romans are more desirable than even those swung by Conquistadors

Jason, why don't you just clearly state "we want stories that are set before the year xxxx" and we don't want weapons like xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx

instead of trying to get fancy with the phrasing?


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   Posted 7/27/2008 6:52 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
>Rage of the Behemoth is an anthology of heroic fantasy and sword & sorcery fiction. We want stories set in a secondary world, or in the past. Alternate history is fine, science fiction and contemporary stories are not. Pre-gunpowder preferred, but it's not a deal breaker.

Now, if sword and planet and far future stuff is fine with you, then I'd further modify the above with the inclusion of another sentence that says just that.


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   Posted 7/27/2008 7:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The intent of the anthology is to be a compilation of heroic adventure fiction within the heroic fantasy genres of Sword & Sorcery, historical adventure, and epic fantasy. The entire thrust to the existence of Rogue Blades Entertainment, as it were. Sword & Sandal, Sword & Soul, dark fantasy, low fantasy, even swashbuckling adventure or the rarer and harder to pull off Sword & Planet - all are variable options fully available to an author as long as the story remains within the overriding three: S&S, historical, epic. Further, I have no desire to see any Alternative History, Contemporary/Urban anything, Erotic or Romantic Fantasy, Fan-fiction, Game-based Storytelling, Hard Science Fiction (for that matter, any Science Fiction beyond that in Sword & Planet), Horror, Superhero Fantasy, or any Parody/Comedic Fantasy. Does this mean that no tale can contain romance, horror, or comedy? Not at all; rather, as evidenced by numerous of the pulp adventures that made these genres popular, a strong tale will contain components of all three.


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   Posted 7/27/2008 9:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sure you don't want alternative history? I tend to think any historical adventure with fantasy elements (like the giants and trolls and things you might get for behemoth) is alternative history.

You wouldn't want something with an ancient Egypt ruled by literal demigods, or a sorcery-based Roman Empire patrolled by undead legions, or Warring States period China dominated by a Chin King and his army of terracotta golems? I think you could miss out on a lot of good stuff by excluding alternate history.


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