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|  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1565 | Posted 1/28/2008 5:52 PM (GMT -4) |   | This is where the whole feedback loop comes into play. Unfortunately, the editor is as likely as not to be too busy reading subs to bother with either replying with that information or to even consciously decide what it was that got the story rejected. However, since we're talking requested change, the editor had some thought about it. So perhaps a reasonable and respectable (ask anyone else for details on how to manage that ) question would give you a better idea of how to approach it.
For me, the editing process has always worked best as a discussion. Also, if I'm reading subs on a regular basis, I've likely read 30-300 other works since I asked for that particular change. My focus and perspective are going to be very different today, and I may see that really weird, senseless scene of two weeks ago as the brilliant slapstick it is and merely want you to transition it better so that it provides comic relief without losing me or seeming shoved in there like a Bazooka Joe comic in a fortune cookie.
crystalwizard said...
Lyn said... when I get editorial advice as a writer, I may not want to change something because that was the very thing I was trying to accomplish - the editor just didn't get it! Or perhaps the editor got it, and didn't like it.
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 |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 1550 | Posted 1/28/2008 7:37 PM (GMT -4) |   |
Lyn said...RHFay said: "From this point forward, I will use much more restraint in what I post on SFReader." I say (tongue in cheek, just in case the it doesn't come across! lol): You dang better watch it, you blankity blank or I'll reach through the ether and smack you upside that dragon head of yours the next time you demonstrate one smidgen of a bit of lack of restraint.
Hey Lyn!
Oh no, was that unrestrained? Just kidding! (I should change over to my little knight - he is helmeted for just such ether-crossing, head-smacking situations.)
As for the serious discussion at hand - let me add a few more details to what I had said earlier about editors' "yeas" or "nays" regarding speculative poetry. In my own personal experience with my recent submissions "blitz", I rarely get any suggestions to revise my speculative poetry. Usually it's either an outright acceptance or rejection. The rejections may include a few constructive criticism-type comments, but often they do not.
I've had a few editors work with me to create better pieces for their publications (or pieces that fit their personal tastes better), and had one or two places actually request a revision of a submitted speculative poem, but so far in my brief but intensive experience this has been the exception to the rule.
Could more editors of speculative fiction and poetry publications request revisions of submitted speculative poetry? Perhaps, but there seem to be several that don't.
This is just my observation based on my own personal experience. The experiences of others may differ from my own.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!" Andrew of Armar.
Richard H. Fay - Azure Lion Productions
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 |  von Darkmoor Small Press Publisher (and Dancer still)

       Date Joined Dec 2005 Total Posts : 2940 | Posted 1/28/2008 8:11 PM (GMT -4) |   | Personally, when it comes to poetry submissions, I don't edit. It is almost entirely 'as is' or not for me, for I view poetry as far more subjective an experience than I do a prose piece submitted, especially fiction. Nonfiction I would, of course, edit for accuracy and form as required, but in poetry and unless egregious in nature, I'd shy away from editorializing. If asked, or if I felt the urge to offer my suggestions as the author so desires, I will provide my observations, impressions, interpretations, reactions, and possible elaborations - purely out of a fellowship with the ideas/images the poet created within me. Mostly no different than if the poem in question were to be posted here, open to my opinion and commentary.
In my opinion, those submitting poetry should be most particular in selecting their markets. If I submit to a literary, prestigious, whatever publication that markets itself to the Schools of Literature, Education, and High Society, I'd better expect the editor to come crashing down on my self-described ballade that is only 9 lines and contains no rhyme of any sort and reject it without more words than a resounding 'NO!' - for I am in the wrong and should rightfully be expected to know better. Nor should I expect him/her to even offer to work with me.
On the other hand, I would be extremely surprised if the same publication were to accept, let alone offer to edit, the almost-perfectly crafted end-rhyme poem I submitted as well, for unless it were iambic and in x number of feet, etc, etc, they'd rather not publish that either. This particular poem may elicit a better worded rejection, however.
It's called knowing your market and trying to match your work to their target audience, their bread and butter. No potential CEO for Disney would appear at an interview in a mechanic's jumpsuit with grease all over his face and holding a broken alternator in his hands; nor would a mechanical engineer appear at his first job interview straight from college in a tuxedo and straw hat, carrying a picture album filled with concept sketches of all his ideas. Both of them would attempt to know their market and fit in to it.
Nothing more (or less) should be expected or accepted in the world of submissions.
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    |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 1550 | Posted 1/29/2008 12:14 PM (GMT -4) |   | |
Let me make another observation from the writer's perspective, again based on my own personal experience.
Concerning two different speculative poems and markets: I actually followed the revision suggestions gven to me by Cathy Buburuz of Champagne Shivers. I didn't follow the rewrite suggestion made by Crystalwizard. However, that doesn't mean I have less respect for CW than I do for Cathy Buburuz. My reasons for either following revision suggestions or sending the piece elsewhere without revision are based solely on what I want to do with each individual piece.
There can be circumstances where an author may decide not to follow through on suggested revisions or rewrites, for many different reasons.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
Richard H. Fay - Azure Lion Productions
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   |  Firlefanz Sage

       Date Joined Mar 2007 Total Posts : 1143 | Posted 1/29/2008 2:04 PM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
  |  Firlefanz Sage

       Date Joined Mar 2007 Total Posts : 1143 | Posted 1/29/2008 2:20 PM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
  |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 4474 | Posted 1/29/2008 5:55 PM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
  |  HTKuehl Kaylee is watching you

       Date Joined Jun 2007 Total Posts : 524 | Posted 2/1/2008 10:00 AM (GMT -4) |   | As a writer, I make sure to acknowledge all advice that is given. If the advice makes sense then I'll go ahead and fix it. If it doesn't, or I don't like it, I say as much to the editor. I always make the attempt to show whatever editor that I am working with that I read their comments and consider them. After all, I'd like to think that they are looking out for my best interests.
"Learn to paint pictures with words." ~ Brian Jacques
"I never considered that I wouldn't make it. Ignorance is bliss sometimes. If I had known how hard it would be, I might have given up." ~ Kim Harrison
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"The Final Goodbye." Ruins Metropolis. Hadley Rille Books, 2008.
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