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|  Edward Knight Jack of all Trades and Master of None

       Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 1038 | Posted 11/19/2007 3:15 PM (GMT -4) |   | | Recently, I've been blasted on this board and a few other small press blogs/boards/whatever for suggesting that writers should promote their own work--that they should pay money from their own pocket to support the books they are published in as well as the works of other writers and publishers that offer an opportunity for them.
Now let's get down to facts. Most of us participating on these types of boards are small potatoes when it comes down to the real world of writing and publishing. And what do we do to better ourselves--we read more posts and blogs offering up advice from other small potatoes in hopes of garnering that one tidbit that will help us sprout into a vine. Most of us will do well just to see print a few times in our lives. Most of us will never make it but a few of us will.
I offer this quote (from a truly profession writer) as evidence:
Don't plan on making a lot of money from your writing. A survey by The Authors Guild a few years ago found that the average author earned about $4000 a year from his or her writing. That was a general survey, but even in the genres, there are plenty of people struggling--many of them quite good writers. If you make it into print, you are doing well. If you succeed in breaking out commercially, you'll be among the extremely fortunate few.
--Jeffery A. Carver
So, what does it take for a writer to beat the odds? In my opinion, he/she has to pull ones self up because nobody else is going to do it for you. Writing is the small part of the job. After you get published it is your responsibility to sell the publication. If you think differently, then you will never reach a higher level of success. Over the years I have taken Marion Zimmer Bradley's advice to heart:
Stay out of amateur "writing workshops" where amateurs sit around and read their failures to each other. Twenty times zero is still zero. Never listen to criticism from anyone unless they can sign a check. Never mind what your best friend, or your aunt, or your English teacher thinks. Trust only professional criticism.--Marion Zimmer Bradley
With that in mind I've sought advice on how writers succeed from some highly successful folks, both the writing and publishing side of things. Two things stand out from their advice. One--you have to be a talented writer. If you can't write, then nothing else matters. Two--you must self-promote. It is the writer's responsibility to sell the work.
Here's what one professional writer who made it out of the potato patch had to say:
I make a living writing genre fiction in Canada. You can, too. But to do so, you're going to have to engage in self-promotion. You might think that your publisher will take care of pushing your book, but the promotional budgets for most first novels are measured in the hundreds of dollars -- and much of that will be designated as "co-op" funds, meaning they're only spent if bookstores are willing to match them dollar for dollar.
If you're lucky, your first novel will get part of an ad page your publisher has bought in a small-press genre magazine, perhaps a few dozen advance copies sent to reviewers (if it's a hardcover; don't count on that for a paperback original); and maybe a hundred review copies of the finished book sent out to newspapers and magazines (again, in the case of the hardcover; for paperback first novels, which most newspapers won't review, some publishers send out no review copies at all).
My advice: take whatever advance you get for your first novel (it'll typically be between $2,500 and $7,500) and spend all of it promoting the book.
Self-promotion costs money. If you were starting a dental practice, you'd expect to spend tens of thousands of dollars getting your business off the ground. Why should a new writer balk at spending some money, too? I met one wannabe recently who said he couldn't afford to do any promotion while he was starting up, but would do some once he got established. He was missing the whole point: promotion is a large part of how you get established.
--Robert J. Sawyer Hugo and Nebula Award Winner
I've read similar advice from Stephen King, Richard Paul Evans, Orson Scott Card... The list goes on and on.
But there are some editors and wannabe writers around who are giving other writers bad advice. They are telling writers that they should never spend a dime out of their own pocket to promote the works in which their writing appears. They tell writers that "money should always flow to the writer". And there are a lot of small potatoes out there reading this advice from other small potatoes and taking that advice at face value. I'm not an advocate of self-publishing. You should never pay to get your work published. But you should pay to promote your work after it's published. Writing is like any other profession. If you want to make money at it, you have to invest money in to it. That's what the pros say.
Of course I'm just another potato buried out here in the patch with the rest of you, but I'm tempted to take the advice of Ms. Bradley and listen to people who know more than I do.
At Journey Books, we will get your work in print (that alone cost a hell of a lot of money), buy advertising for our products, setup websites and take care of orders, bookstores, and distributors. We'll list in catalogs, try to garner some nice reviews and all that stuff a small publisher is supposed to do. But in the end our results are also dependent on our author's ability to promote their work. If you're not willing to do that then don't submit here. Your job isn't finished when the writing is done.
I'll leave this with one more quote that kind of nails this all together:
One of the greatest misconceptions harbored by writers is that the job is done when the book manuscript is mailed. While manuscript completion is a time to celebrate, it is also the time to switch hats. The book writer now becomes the book promoter.
A book is like an iceberg. The writing is the easier part; the 20% visible about the waterline. The promoting is the most important part and usually consumes even more time and money. The promoting is also often the part not anticipated by the author.
Bringing a book into the world is like a bringing a child into the world—you are presented with an obligation to raise it. --Dan Poynter
Edward Knight Editor Journey Books Publishing
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 |  Jordan Lapp ppaL nadroJ

       Date Joined Sep 2006 Total Posts : 2585 | Posted 11/19/2007 3:22 PM (GMT -4) |   | I one hundred percent believe that an author has to promote their work. Better yet, they should enlist all their friends to post about their book, post reviews on Amazon, flood SFReader with reviews, do tons of signings, attend cons, and generally make themselves a nuisance. Hell, they should get all their friends to buy their book, and then buy MORE books for THEIR friends.
I also believe that writers should pay to advertise their work. Google ads is a great way, but I can think of others.
I don't remember you getting blasted on this board for suggesting writers promote their own work, but whoever said otherwise needs to do some research. Jordan Lapp
Managing Editor
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 |  MichaelEhart Sage

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 2324 | Posted 11/19/2007 4:15 PM (GMT -4) |   | Ed, you are so right. Nobody cares about your stuff like you do, except maybe your mom, and she doesn't know anyone who will buy the darn thing anyway.
If nothing else, attend the cons-- go to Kinkos and make a book board and huck it and some copies of the magazines and books you are in with you. Club cards are cheap, or even business cards with the cover of your book and your website and the publishers.
You goal early on is to build your readership. I too am small potatoes, but Saturday night at my book launch I knew I was on the right track when a fan bee-lined into the room with a copy of the book--- and 2 other magazines that I appeared in for me to sign. Without my relentless promotion of the "little stuff" over the last few years nobody would have cared about the book. And now the book is the step to... more books, more readers, and someday that villa in Tuscany and the summer house in Bali.
The Servant of the Manthycore available Nov. 17th from DEP
Illustrated by Rachel Marks, with an introduction by Michael Moorcock
Read me in 2007!
"The View From the Shotglass Floor" Ray Gun Revival, Feb 2007
"Voice of the Spoiler" The Sword Review, June 2007
"Servant of the Manthycore" The Sword Review, July 2007
"Darkling I Listen; and for Many a Time" Fear and Trembling, coming soon!
"Weaving Spiders Come Not Here" The Sword Review, August 2007
"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, Summer 2007
"Nothing But Our Tears" The Sword Review, September 2007
"Night of Shadows, Night of Knives" Magic and Mechanica, Fall 2007
"The Scarlet Colored Beast" The Sword Review, October 2007
"The Stars by Law, Forbidden" Unparalleled Journeys II, November 2007
"Who Comes for the Mother's Fruit" Every Day Fiction, November 2007
"Stand, Stand, Shall They Cry" Flashing Swords, November 2007
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   |  MichaelEhart Sage

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 2324 | Posted 11/19/2007 4:43 PM (GMT -4) |   | A book board is a replica of the cover, mounted on foam core, with an easel support. Make three and you can carry one to your panels and put the other two out on the promo tables with a stack of club cards. Worst case you can razor off a cover and mount it, I usually steal the jpeg image from the publishers website, convert it to pdf, and take it to Kinkos. Not certain how much, but should be around $10-15 each.
Also, be sure to ask people at every panel you are on to buy your book. Mention it in the introductions and mention it in the closings. Carry at least 3 with you everywhere at the con. Don't make someone who recognizes you in the restaurant go down to the dealer's room to get your product--- sell one to them right there. Why three? Many times folks who can't attend send friends with a few bucks to pick up anything that looks good, and a lot of folks will buy holiday gifts. We sold 4 copies to one buyer on Saturday.
Buy my book!
The Servant of the Manthycore available Nov. 17th from DEP
Illustrated by Rachel Marks, with an introduction by Michael Moorcock
Read me in 2007!
"The View From the Shotglass Floor" Ray Gun Revival, Feb 2007
"Voice of the Spoiler" The Sword Review, June 2007
"Servant of the Manthycore" The Sword Review, July 2007
"Darkling I Listen; and for Many a Time" Fear and Trembling, coming soon!
"Weaving Spiders Come Not Here" The Sword Review, August 2007
"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, Summer 2007
"Nothing But Our Tears" The Sword Review, September 2007
"Night of Shadows, Night of Knives" Magic and Mechanica, Fall 2007
"The Scarlet Colored Beast" The Sword Review, October 2007
"The Stars by Law, Forbidden" Unparalleled Journeys II, November 2007
"Who Comes for the Mother's Fruit" Every Day Fiction, November 2007
"Stand, Stand, Shall They Cry" Flashing Swords, November 2007
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    |  Melkor Acolyte

       Date Joined Jan 2006 Total Posts : 324 | Posted 11/20/2007 1:24 AM (GMT -4) |   | Bringing a book into the world is like a bringing a child into the world—you are presented with an obligation to raise it. --Dan Poynter
Oh man, and I hate kids 
My friends actually love my stories :) Well, not my friends...my friend :(
Cool post, definitely a very helpful heads up. A bucket of cold water to the face :) "By the toll of a billion deaths man has bought his birthright of the earth, and it is his against all comers:.... For neither do men live nor die in vain" - H.G.Wells - The War of the Worlds
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   |  von Darkmoor Small Press Publisher (and Dancer still)

       Date Joined Dec 2005 Total Posts : 2992 | Posted 11/20/2007 3:08 PM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
   |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1632 | Posted 11/20/2007 5:57 PM (GMT -4) |   | While that's a very good question, I think we're tracking off topic . . . maybe 'ask the excerpt'?
Jordan Lapp said... I wonder how you go about landing a ghostwriting gig. Do you have to have a bunch of writing credits? Is it as easy as answering a want ad?
In truth, I am 100% convinced of what Ed is saying.
I thought at one time to do it by means of hawking other peoples' work, but it seems that in poetry there are more people interested in having an 'ataboy' than doing any serious work toward making anything of it. The only one who has actually earned my respect in that ballpark is a gentleman name of Dan Blackston.
As far as other publications I've been involved in . . . I'll confess to paying too little attention. I know a few of our antho authors picked up tons of copies, and we were really grateful for that. It's a great thing to do. But I prefer to have the authors hawk it to everyone on the outside. Small publishers can usually reach those within their own genre circle, it's the folks out at the perimeters authors need to chase down and sell books to. Anyone with a book published and for sale should never be caught in public with no business card or bookmark or what-have-you that gives people the direction to buying the book.
And I prefer two options: from the distributor or via Amazon or BN. People get weird about ordering from a publisher of whom they've never heard, but they'll go nuts over a distributor's treatment or a book from Amazon written by that cool but really dude in the bar last night.
USE YOUR BLOGS!!!!! Promote your blogs and be very careful how you use your "writer's blog" in promoting your own work, your friends', your publisher[']s['], and stuff you like. Tell people how much you like it and why it rocks and give them an easy link straight to the shopping cart or BUYNOW button.
And anyone who sends you a review that reads well, that is entertaining, find everywhere possible to spank it onto the web like a pasted poster for a basement band posting broadsides in dorms.
Need more caffiene. Back in ...
Literarily speaking: More prolific than sin!
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    |  MichaelEhart Sage

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 2324 | Posted 11/21/2007 8:00 PM (GMT -4) |   | If you accept the story I sent you, I will most certainly be willing to help promote at cons or whatever. Buy my book!
The Servant of the Manthycore available Nov. 17th from DEP
Illustrated by Rachel Marks, with an introduction by Michael Moorcock
Read me in 2007!
"The View From the Shotglass Floor" Ray Gun Revival, Feb 2007
"Voice of the Spoiler" The Sword Review, June 2007
"Servant of the Manthycore" The Sword Review, July 2007
"Darkling I Listen; and for Many a Time" Fear and Trembling, coming soon!
"Weaving Spiders Come Not Here" The Sword Review, August 2007
"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, Summer 2007
"Nothing But Our Tears" The Sword Review, September 2007
"Night of Shadows, Night of Knives" Magic and Mechanica, Fall 2007
"The Scarlet Colored Beast" The Sword Review, October 2007
"The Stars by Law, Forbidden" Unparalleled Journeys II, November 2007
"Who Comes for the Mother's Fruit" Every Day Fiction, November 2007
"Stand, Stand, Shall They Cry" Flashing Swords, November 2007
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