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   Posted 11/19/2007 3:15 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Recently, I've been blasted on this board and a few other small press blogs/boards/whatever for suggesting that writers should promote their own work--that they should pay money from their own pocket to support the books they are published in as well as the works of other writers and publishers that offer an opportunity for them.
 
Now let's get down to facts. Most of us participating on these types of boards are small potatoes when it comes down to the real world of writing and publishing. And what do we do to better ourselves--we read more posts and blogs offering up advice from other small potatoes in hopes of garnering that one tidbit that will help us sprout into a vine. Most of us will do well just to see print a few times in our lives. Most of us will never make it but a few of us will.
 
I offer this quote (from a truly profession writer) as evidence:
 

Don't plan on making a lot of money from your writing. A survey by The Authors Guild a few years ago found that the average author earned about $4000 a year from his or her writing. That was a general survey, but even in the genres, there are plenty of people struggling--many of them quite good writers. If you make it into print, you are doing well. If you succeed in breaking out commercially, you'll be among the extremely fortunate few.

--Jeffery A. Carver

 

So, what does it take for a writer to beat the odds? In my opinion, he/she has to pull ones self up because nobody else is going to do it for you. Writing is the small part of the job. After you get published it is your responsibility to sell the publication. If you think differently, then you will never reach a higher level of success. Over the years I have taken Marion Zimmer Bradley's advice to heart:

 

Stay out of amateur "writing workshops" where amateurs sit around and read their failures to each other. Twenty times zero is still zero. Never listen to criticism from anyone unless they can sign a check. Never mind what your best friend, or your aunt, or your English teacher thinks. Trust only professional criticism.--Marion Zimmer Bradley

 

With that in mind I've sought advice on how writers succeed from some highly successful folks, both the writing and publishing side of things. Two things stand out from their advice. One--you have to be a talented writer. If you can't write, then nothing else matters. Two--you must self-promote. It is the writer's responsibility to sell the work.

 

Here's what one professional writer who made it out of the potato patch had to say:

 

I make a living writing genre fiction in Canada. You can, too. But to do so, you're going to have to engage in self-promotion. You might think that your publisher will take care of pushing your book, but the promotional budgets for most first novels are measured in the hundreds of dollars -- and much of that will be designated as "co-op" funds, meaning they're only spent if bookstores are willing to match them dollar for dollar.

If you're lucky, your first novel will get part of an ad page your publisher has bought in a small-press genre magazine, perhaps a few dozen advance copies sent to reviewers (if it's a hardcover; don't count on that for a paperback original); and maybe a hundred review copies of the finished book sent out to newspapers and magazines (again, in the case of the hardcover; for paperback first novels, which most newspapers won't review, some publishers send out no review copies at all).

My advice: take whatever advance you get for your first novel (it'll typically be between $2,500 and $7,500) and spend all of it promoting the book.

Self-promotion costs money. If you were starting a dental practice, you'd expect to spend tens of thousands of dollars getting your business off the ground. Why should a new writer balk at spending some money, too? I met one wannabe recently who said he couldn't afford to do any promotion while he was starting up, but would do some once he got established. He was missing the whole point: promotion is a large part of how you get established.

 --Robert J. Sawyer Hugo and Nebula Award Winner

I've read similar advice from Stephen King, Richard Paul Evans, Orson Scott Card... The list goes on and on.

But there are some editors and wannabe writers around who are giving other writers bad advice. They are telling writers that they should never spend a dime out of their own pocket to promote the works in which their writing appears. They tell writers that "money should always flow to the writer". And there are a lot of small potatoes out there reading this advice from other small potatoes and taking that advice at face value. I'm not an advocate of self-publishing. You should never pay to get your work published. But you should pay to promote your work after it's published. Writing is like any other profession. If you want to make money at it, you have to invest money in to it. That's what the pros say.

Of course I'm just another potato buried out here in the patch with the rest of you, but I'm tempted to take the advice of Ms. Bradley and listen to people who know more than I do.

At Journey Books, we will get your work in print (that alone cost a hell of a lot of money), buy advertising for our products, setup websites and take care of orders, bookstores, and distributors. We'll list in catalogs, try to garner some nice reviews and all that stuff a small publisher is supposed to do. But in the end our results are also dependent on our author's ability to promote their work. If you're not willing to do that then don't submit here. Your job isn't finished when the writing is done.

I'll leave this with one more quote that kind of nails this all together:

One of the greatest misconceptions harbored by writers is that the job is done when the book manuscript is mailed. While manuscript completion is a time to celebrate, it is also the time to switch hats. The book writer now becomes the book promoter.

A book is like an iceberg. The writing is the easier part; the 20% visible about the waterline. The promoting is the most important part and usually consumes even more time and money. The promoting is also often the part not anticipated by the author.

Bringing a book into the world is like a bringing a child into the world—you are presented with an obligation to raise it. --Dan Poynter


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   Posted 11/19/2007 3:22 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I one hundred percent believe that an author has to promote their work. Better yet, they should enlist all their friends to post about their book, post reviews on Amazon, flood SFReader with reviews, do tons of signings, attend cons, and generally make themselves a nuisance. Hell, they should get all their friends to buy their book, and then buy MORE books for THEIR friends.

I also believe that writers should pay to advertise their work. Google ads is a great way, but I can think of others.

I don't remember you getting blasted on this board for suggesting writers promote their own work, but whoever said otherwise needs to do some research.


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   Posted 11/19/2007 4:15 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Ed, you are so right. Nobody cares about your stuff like you do, except maybe your mom, and she doesn't know anyone who will buy the darn thing anyway.

If nothing else, attend the cons-- go to Kinkos and make a book board and huck it and some copies of the magazines and books you are in with you. Club cards are cheap, or even business cards with the cover of your book and your website and the publishers.

You goal early on is to build your readership. I too am small potatoes, but Saturday night at my book launch I knew I was on the right track when a fan bee-lined into the room with a copy of the book--- and 2 other magazines that I appeared in for me to sign. Without my relentless promotion of the "little stuff" over the last few years nobody would have cared about the book. And now the book is the step to... more books, more readers, and someday that villa in Tuscany and the summer house in Bali.


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   Posted 11/19/2007 4:17 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What is a book board?


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   Posted 11/19/2007 4:31 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MichaelEhart said...

If nothing else, attend the cons-- go to Kinkos and make a book board and ...

Hey Michael - how much does that usually cost?  I was asking a friend who works at some sort of company that does printing (not along the Kinko's kind as I understand it) here in Milwaukee and he told me a 2'x3' b&w would run me about $6.50 but there were color and laminate and quantity that would all effect price --- I've been looking around at ways to promote The Return of the Sword, cuz, ya know, there's gonna be a lot of great stories in there! devil
 
EDIT: Sorry Ed, didn't mean to ignore you - I believe your comments to be sound and well-informed and cannot find contention with any of them, though I will say MZB's advice, while I do understand it and mostly agree with it, it is rather hard to enforce.  At least here in the potato field . . . or in the backyard garden of neighborhood writer's groups.
As an aside, I personally agree with those thoughts in regards to me handing out advice - but I am trying to become much more sagely in such matters.  And I am (somewhat) writing the checks . . . little ones . . . for crystalwizard to sign . . .


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   Posted 11/19/2007 4:43 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A book board is a replica of the cover, mounted on foam core, with an easel support. Make three and you can carry one to your panels and put the other two out on the promo tables with a stack of club cards. Worst case you can razor off a cover and mount it, I usually steal the jpeg image from the publishers website, convert it to pdf, and take it to Kinkos. Not certain how much, but should be around $10-15 each.

Also, be sure to ask people at every panel you are on to buy your book. Mention it in the introductions and mention it in the closings. Carry at least 3 with you everywhere at the con. Don't make someone who recognizes you in the restaurant go down to the dealer's room to get your product--- sell one to them right there. Why three? Many times folks who can't attend send friends with a few bucks to pick up anything that looks good, and a lot of folks will buy holiday gifts. We sold 4 copies to one buyer on Saturday.


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"Voice of the Spoiler" The Sword Review, June 2007
"Servant of the Manthycore" The Sword Review, July 2007
"Darkling I Listen; and for Many a Time" Fear and Trembling, coming soon!
"Weaving Spiders Come Not Here" The Sword Review, August 2007
"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, Summer 2007
"Nothing But Our Tears" The Sword Review, September 2007
"Night of Shadows, Night of Knives" Magic and Mechanica, Fall 2007
"The Scarlet Colored Beast" The Sword Review, October 2007
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   Posted 11/19/2007 5:55 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Nice post, Ed.


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   Posted 11/19/2007 6:34 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good discussion. Even the "big potatoes" are required to attend promotional events and market their books.


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   Posted 11/19/2007 7:09 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Great article. Thanks for posting. I especially like the supporting quotes. I especially like the MZB quote, but the rest support your point very well.
 
Not that I'm a hard one to sell on this topic . . .


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   Posted 11/20/2007 1:24 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bringing a book into the world is like a bringing a child into the world—you are presented with an obligation to raise it. --Dan Poynter

Oh man, and I hate kids :p

My friends actually love my stories :) Well, not my friends...my friend :(

Cool post, definitely a very helpful heads up. A bucket of cold water to the face :)


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   Posted 11/20/2007 4:32 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey Melkor, nice to see you again.

Thanks for the info, Michael. I bought my own easel and planned on having 3-5 boards made, 1 or 2 in color. Also planned on making bumper stickers out of them and plastering them all over my car . . . . well, until my wife just read that. I wish I at least lived somewhat close to an author or two from the antho, as a joint signing/presence thing would be great.

Thanks for your recent string of great posts, Ed. Not that your not-so-recent posts weren't helpful, but, well, you know. This is now.


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   Posted 11/20/2007 12:55 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm walking down promotion alley right now.

I personally sold 27 copies of the Pandaimonion anthology in the last two months, even though I only have a story in it. I've done two readings / signings, I'm looking at the third next Saturday, and I've been taking flyers for the readings and a few books to every party I've been to in those months. I've talked to the newspaper, and am still trying to prod them into writing an article about the book and myself.

It's been work and fun at the same time. I see this as a trial run for next year when I hope to publish my first anthology. As editor, I'll have to do the major share of promotion, that's a simple fact for people in the potato patch.

So, yes, Ed, I do agree 100%. Promotion is a large part of an author's job. :-)


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   Posted 11/20/2007 3:08 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Cool job, Firle! Nice!


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   Posted 11/20/2007 4:45 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm seriously beginning to wonder if I should ghost write.
I can crank out a pootload of fiction novels, but I get nauseated any time I think about doing the promo thing. I've been working on/against this for years, but it seems like I'm getting more and more prone towards cloistering myself. Over the past two years, I've had some serious spats of agorophobia or whatever. Hard to get out and sell books when the idea of leaving the house freaks you out!
 
Good thing I've got a day job. ;-)


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   Posted 11/20/2007 4:51 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I wonder how you go about landing a ghostwriting gig. Do you have to have a bunch of writing credits? Is it as easy as answering a want ad?


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   Posted 11/20/2007 5:57 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
While that's a very good question, I think we're tracking off topic . . . maybe 'ask the excerpt'?
Jordan Lapp said...
I wonder how you go about landing a ghostwriting gig. Do you have to have a bunch of writing credits? Is it as easy as answering a want ad?
In truth, I am 100% convinced of what Ed is saying.
I thought at one time to do it by means of hawking other peoples' work, but it seems that in poetry there are more people interested in having an 'ataboy' than doing any serious work toward making anything of it. The only one who has actually earned my respect in that ballpark is a gentleman name of Dan Blackston.
As far as other publications I've been involved in . . . I'll confess to paying too little attention. I know a few of our antho authors picked up tons of copies, and we were really grateful for that. It's a great thing to do. But I prefer to have the authors hawk it to everyone on the outside. Small publishers can usually reach those within their own genre circle, it's the folks out at the perimeters authors need to chase down and sell books to. Anyone with a book published and for sale should never be caught in public with no business card or bookmark or what-have-you that gives people the direction to buying the book.
And I prefer two options: from the distributor or via Amazon or BN. People get weird about ordering from a publisher of whom they've never heard, but they'll go nuts over a distributor's treatment or a book from Amazon written by that cool but really dude in the bar last night.
USE YOUR BLOGS!!!!! Promote your blogs and be very careful how you use your "writer's blog" in promoting your own work, your friends', your publisher[']s['], and stuff you like. Tell people how much you like it and why it rocks and give them an easy link straight to the shopping cart or BUYNOW button.
And anyone who sends you a review that reads well, that is entertaining, find everywhere possible to spank it onto the web like a pasted poster for a basement band posting broadsides in dorms.
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   Posted 11/21/2007 4:44 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
EdK said...
Recently, I've been blasted on this board and a few other small press blogs/boards/whatever for suggesting that writers should promote their own work


Blasted from who?

I can guess, so don't answer that.

At the risk of opening a second can of worms, keep in mind that there are two sides to the marketing issue.

On one side you have the people that live in a fantasy world and believe that all they have to do is churn out words, then someone else will come along and do all the rest of the work for them, while they get rich.

On the other side, you have the people who live in the real world and realize that the only person that knows their story well enough to market it effectively, is themself.

I'd hope most of the people on this board are in the group that live in the real world.


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   Posted 11/21/2007 4:46 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I fully intended to spend my first advance on promotion. I think what Robert J. Sawyer specifically did was to spend his entire advance purchasing his own book and giving them away at cons. Made him an overnight bestseller, I think.


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Well, I'm not receiving any advance and I don't know as I can afford that quantity, but I fully plan on buying multiple copies of The Return of the Sword and passing them out.  Too bad I won't be able to take advantage of Christmas, but them's the breaks.  I'll just have to make some other ones of my own.
 
Any authors in the anthology willing to get together and do signings and readings or even our own mini-con? ;-)


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   Posted 11/21/2007 8:00 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you accept the story I sent you, I will most certainly be willing to help promote at cons or whatever.


Buy my book!
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Read me in 2007!
"The View From the Shotglass Floor" Ray Gun Revival, Feb 2007
"Voice of the Spoiler" The Sword Review, June 2007
"Servant of the Manthycore" The Sword Review, July 2007
"Darkling I Listen; and for Many a Time" Fear and Trembling, coming soon!
"Weaving Spiders Come Not Here" The Sword Review, August 2007
"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, Summer 2007
"Nothing But Our Tears" The Sword Review, September 2007
"Night of Shadows, Night of Knives" Magic and Mechanica, Fall 2007
"The Scarlet Colored Beast" The Sword Review, October 2007
"The Stars by Law, Forbidden" Unparalleled Journeys II, November 2007
"Who Comes for the Mother's Fruit" Every Day Fiction, November 2007
"Stand, Stand, Shall They Cry" Flashing Swords, November 2007
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   Posted 11/21/2007 9:31 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've promoted every antho and project I've been in--except one. It's six months later and I still haven't gotten my contributor's copy of a certain antho, and the publisher appears to have gone under without putting any promotional effort in at all. I've been stiffed before, but this publisher has really dropped the ball.


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MichaelEhart said...
If you accept the story I sent you, I will most certainly be willing to help promote at cons or whatever.

Cool Michael!  I have every confidence all of the authors will - I've a good great group assembled!


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