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Jordan Lapp
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   Posted 9/3/2007 12:37 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey guys,
 
This thread is for ideas on how to solicit advertising for our various projects. At EDF, we will be implementing Google Adsense of course, but we will also be selling Text Link Ads (purchased links).
 
I've seen a few mags with banners. How does that work? Who do you approach about that?
 
Another idea we've had is ReviewMe, which is basically paid reviews for your website. People go to the site, pay EDF x number of dollars and we review their site in our magazine. Not guaranteed to be positive of course, but it does generate a lot of traffic.
 
Any other ideas?  The way we look at it is, the more money we raise through advertising, the more we can pay our authors. I'd really like to hit semi-pro rate at least.


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   Posted 9/3/2007 8:12 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I wouldn't trust someone that's been paid to do a review. The fact that money's changed hands makes me suspicious that the review will be weighted toward the 'good' side and not neutral and unbiased.


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   Posted 9/4/2007 8:35 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Believe me, I've seen some people savaged in paid reviews...

But seriously, no one has any ideas? How do you guys get advertising in your magazines?


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   Posted 9/5/2007 3:06 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The way most people sell advertising is this: The person in charge of the sales department contacts people he or she feels would want to advertise in the publication and sells them on the idea. If your mag was about sporting adventures, you'd start callign sports stores, sports equpiment manufacturers and so on, and talking them into buying ad space. You'd tell them that your readers obviously like sports and convince them that your readers would like to also buy their products.

You do the same for websites you want to exchange banners with. You find places that you feel are a good fit with your mag, you locate their contact information and you email them and talk them into a banner exchange.


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   Posted 9/5/2007 11:01 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
True, but I guess here's where EDF's flexible nature hurts us. Our magazine isn't "about" anything. It's about everything.

As for exchanging banners, we're more interested in >selling< banners. EDF is ad supported, and so far we have no ads! (I think our PR 0 is hurting us here. Damn Google and their sandbox!)


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   Posted 9/5/2007 11:05 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jordan, while I love the concepts of EDF, just thinking about trying to get advertisers gives me a headache. Like CW mentions, advertisers want targeted appeal. EDF won't be providing that. You're too diverse - and hopefully this is the only area this is a negative in.

I've learned through personal experience that providing local advantage is the only appeal to local businesses - I wouldn't think EDF would/could do that, so there goes one level of advertisers. So you're national, international scale - how do you get the international advertisers? You still have to provide them an advantage, an edge. Right now I don't see you being able to do that, not for any decent paying advertisers.

You're appeal is on the individual level, perhaps libraries, educational facilities, reading groups. None of these pay - have the money to pay for - untargeted, unguaranteed benefit, advertising. Unless you get Oprah's Book Club to endorse you.

About all I see you doing for a long time is swapping banners/links with as many sites as you can. Once EDF is huge, gargantuan, EDF will be more appealing simply through mass. Not to end negative here, but you've a tough row to hoe.


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   Posted 9/5/2007 11:12 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You have a point, Jason, but there is lots of advertising in unfocused blogs out there now. All we need is traffic.

If we get 1000 RSS subscribers, we can attract the attention of big advertisers (so far we have 250 RSS subs and about that number of e-mail subs, so we're getting close). Right now, I think the biggest thing that's hurting us is our Page Ranking of 0. We've got TONS of sites linking to us, but Google won't count them for maybe six months. This, of course, really sucks, and I feel it's our main barrier to advertisers (who may not see our technorati stats, which rock!).


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   Posted 9/5/2007 11:18 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Cool on the stats, but really, over all EDF is no different than any startup business. No business (that I'm aware of) steps into the arena with strong built in advertising support. EDF has to prove itself, just like anything else. You've all the potential in the world, beginning stats to enforce that outlook - you've everthing but time, history, right now.

Think about it from your propsective advertiser's angle for a moment - EDF is an unknown; I believe each of your 3 heads are unknowns also, right?; your staying market appeal is unknown.

6 months might be hard on the personal pocket but it might be the best thing for EDF yet. Especially if your numbers continue to grow apace, it'll be like bursting a dam when you're unleashed.


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   Posted 9/5/2007 12:04 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I know. I'm just a child of the internet generation. That's why I started a flash fiction magazine. Instant Gratification!


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   Posted 9/5/2007 12:40 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
One newsletter I receive has a little advertising inside the email (although it's an ugly all text email, and the ads are separated by rows of stars). Maybe that'll be an idea, some unobstusive text.

I don't know how you feel about putting something into your emails, but asking your subscribers to link you up or put up a banner on their site doesn't cost anything. You could even provide a banner for them to download from your website. When google takes you up on the list (and I don't really understand about those six months you have to wait), you should rock the sky!

:-)

And I suppose I have to write a fantasy piece for you. A banner will certainly go up on my website if I get a piece in. smilewinkgrin


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   Posted 6/26/2008 12:44 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Google and Project Wonderful are primarily what GUD is running with (and what you've gone with, also). :heh:

We signed up for Reviewme a week or so ago, for folks who want their small press fiction/poetry reviewed and can't find our "just send us a query" link on the site. It would be awesome to get paid for reviewing--if that covered the cost of sending the copy to a raffle winner, that would be even better (we lose money every review we do at the moment).

I think we've been approved to do reviews, but so far: 0 offers.


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