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 |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1565 | Posted 5/6/2008 11:10 PM (GMT -4) |   | Fascinating. I've heard of the form, but never tried it. A few suggestions below . . . and adherence to form is not nearly as interesting or useful as how well you violate it. Besides, what ideal ever put bread on the table?
RHFay said...
After having read about the form in Terrie Leigh Relf's The Poet's Workshop - and Beyond, I decided to experiment with cinquains. Here are a few I composed recently, following the 2-4-6-8-2 format. I don't know if they are "ideal" cinquains by any means, but I was a bit happy with the results, considering I just started experimenting with the form:
Signs Before the Fall
Augur tosses old bones to read battle-omens and proclaims a heart-rending doom - defeat. Love this one as is
Sword of Light
Bright blade engraved with charms, forged from mystical steel, may only draw blood to spread peace, I think it might work better thus: may draw blood only to spread peace not war. I like this fine. An alternative might be: no war - this is a more powerful statement of the intent, but only slightly
Cosmic Ship of Dreams
Pure thought powers this craft across the vast cosmos. Good as it is. Might consider "our vast cosmos" just to bring it home to the reader. It sails from star to star as time's tide ebbs.
*** I really like these. Pardon my graffitti if it sits ill with you. Just trying to make suggestions for improvement. Best of luck with them. I think they're very publishable as seque pieces for many S&S publications - as effective as illustrations. Which might enhance their marketability . . . .
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 |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 1550 | Posted 5/6/2008 11:51 PM (GMT -4) |   | Ha Ha! Guess which one was seen as weak and an example of "all tell, no show" by the "literati wannabe"? Yep, number one! Kind of proves my point about the apparent subjectivity of opinions regarding poetry, doesn't it?
I definitely like the suggestion of changing the "the" to "our" in the line "across the vast cosmos". It may indeed give it a slightly personal touch for the reader. And after taking a couple looks at "Sword of Light", I think I get your point about moving the "only". I may have to adjust them on my web site. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I will.
As for publishing these particular examples, I think I blew my chances at having them accepted by most places by posting them. It would have to be a place that doesn't mind material that's appeared on personal web sites, blogs, and fora.
I like following the 2-4-6-8-2 format, at least for now. It gives me a basic backbone to work on. Apparently, Adelaide Crapsey, the inventor of the American cinquain, felt the form should be in the 2-4-6-8-2 format as well as have a "twist" or "turn". I wasn't sure if the "turn" or "twist" was strong enough in each, especially "Cosmic Ship of Dreams", but I was still happy enough with how they turned out.
Thanks for the feedback.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
Richard H. Fay - Azure Lion Productions
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 |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 1550 | Posted 5/7/2008 12:14 AM (GMT -4) |   |
MysticWino said...
I think they're very publishable as seque pieces for many S&S publications - as effective as illustrations. Which might enhance their marketability . . . .
Oh, you devil! Yeah, go ahead, plant ideas for visuals in my head. Once I start thinking about it, my mind won't let go of the idea. Now I have the image of an old hand tossing knucklebones into a circle in the sand.
And then there's the image of an armoured paladin brandishing his holy sword. Ooo, I really like that one.
And when I have so many other illustrations I should be working on (not to mention more dark poetry).
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
Richard H. Fay - Azure Lion Productions
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   |  Bitter Irony Grammar Goddess and Spelling Sinner

       Date Joined Jun 2007 Total Posts : 81 | Posted 5/15/2008 2:31 PM (GMT -4) |   | I was about to mention the Volta, but I see MysticWino has beaten me to it!
In tanka, the technique is called "pivot." Since I'm used to approaching cinquain from the tanka form, I was a little surprised not to see a change in perspective or unexpected turn at the end of these cinquain. For example, in "Signs Before the Fall," the final line doesn't deliver a punch because "heart-rending doom" has already told the reader what to expect. It's not about specific technique so much as good story-telling; don't give away the ending before the final line! 
I third the comment about illustrations. These would be lovely as "taiga" of sorts!
My favorite of the three is "Cosmic Ship of Dreams." It's a bit more open to interpretation than the other two, and the ending comes as more of a surprise.
All three are great for first attempts. The cinquain form demands a lot of subtlety, and you've done well at choosing what each poem should illustrate.
~Bitter Irony
P.S. I don't know how closely you want to follow the form, but something that frequently comes up regarding cinquain is the use of title as a "sixth line" of sorts. Instead of simply highlighting the main idea of the cinquain, the title often adds another image, or another level of meaning. From even the greatest of horrors, Irony is seldom absent.
~H.P. Lovecraft, The Shunned House
And here I begin my foray into the dark and deadly waters of e-zine editing...
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    |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 1550 | Posted 5/15/2008 5:26 PM (GMT -4) |   |
Bitter Irony said... I third the comment about illustrations. These would be lovely as "taiga" of sorts!
What? They would be lovely as northern coniferous forests covering vast expanses of North America and Eurasia?  How did you get forests out of those cinquains?
Seriously, I actually composed a haiga of sorts and didn't even really know it. I have a scifaiku with an accompanying illustration in the current issue of Scifaikuest. I composed a scifaiku to go with an illustration that was originally drawn to accompany another poem, and both were accepted for publication.
Serendipity can be a marvelous thing sometimes.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
Richard H. Fay - Azure Lion Productions
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     |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1565 | Posted 5/16/2008 2:59 PM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
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