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baritsu6
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| Posted 10/11/2005 10:21 AM (GMT -4) |   | members, if you ever get a chance , pick up HERCULES , MY SHIPMATE . this is an excellent retelling of the JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS myth.the author [ROBERT GRAVES] gives ful play to the two ruling emotions of the early greeks---love of food and women and fear of vengeful ghosts and gods. this retelling is a savage , relentless and vastly entertaining story of the greatest and earliest eurpean sea adventure. read about champions in their own right [ boxer, wrestler,archer,swimmer and liar]used their abilites to help jason obtain the golden fleece---great epic stuff-ralph
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John Hocking
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| Posted 10/11/2005 10:52 AM (GMT -4) | | Good show, Ralph, you've been digging up and posting notes about authors ranging from Max(WHISTLIN' DAN BARRY'S DAUGHTER)Brand to Robert (I, CLAUDIS) Graves.
And finding worthy adventure fiction from them all.
But how about trying to read the work of some of us modern attempters of the old form?
Ever read any 'Flashing Swords'?
It would be great to hear what someone as well-informed as yourself had to say about our stuff.
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baritsu6
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| Posted 10/11/2005 11:31 AM (GMT -4) | | mr. hocking, i have read flashing swords. in fact , i enjoyed the pirate story very much and have always enjoyed your work.i do not have a great deal of time for reviewing all the wonderful new stuff in flashing swords as i am devoting most of my time to finding old stuff and getting the info out on it. reading the old stuff can surely only give new ideas for new writing---by the way, i have your conan stuff and have enjoyed it. so far to date ,[ i have read all the flashing swords] blood meridian has really struck a cord with me it could have been published in any adventure mag. the pirate theme is very good and i would like to see more of the writer and making thios a series.----ralph
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John Hocking
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| Posted 10/11/2005 5:25 PM (GMT -4) | | Ralph,
It makes me happy to think an old school fan like yourself has read and enjoyed 'Flashing Swords'.
Even if you can't write a full review, I hope you find the time to tell us which stories in future issues catch your fancy.
Hey, ever read Erik Fennel's BLACK PREISTESS OF VARDA ('Planet Stories' Winter 1947)?
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jonesha
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| Posted 10/11/2005 6:03 PM (GMT -4) | | Hi Ralph,
I've heard good things about HERCULES MY SHIPMATE but never read it.
Have you ever read Edison Marshall's EARTH GIANT? A fav of mine, although the hunting scene goes on too long. I was pleased to find it in hardback a few years back. One of Marshall's best.
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baritsu6
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| Posted 10/11/2005 6:17 PM (GMT -4) | | john, i have fennels story but i have not gotten around to reading it yet----howard, the only marshalls works i have read are 1] the viking 2] diane of the lost land both fairly good---the viking was made into the movie " the vikings" with kirk douglas--one of my favorite swashbucklers--regards, ralph
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jonesha
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| Posted 10/12/2005 3:50 AM (GMT -4) | | I just picked up the VIKINGS on DVD the other day. It was on discount at the grocery store, of all places.
I read Earth Giant first and went on a real Marshall spree because I liked it so much.
Most of his earlier stuff is pretty forumlaic. Interestingly, he began to experiment with plot structure more as he got older, and Earth Giant and The Vikings come from this period. The Vikings is one I'd still like to read, and I still haven't actually watched the DVD. next to EARTH GIANT I thought the one with Starbuck as a main character was the best--it was only forumulaic if you'd read his other stuff, and was the best of that early lot by far. I'll see if I can recall the title. One of these days I'll have to write a Marshall article for sands.org.
best,
Howard
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John Hocking
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| Posted 10/12/2005 4:46 AM (GMT -4) | | Howard, you HAVE seen 'The Vikings' already.
Haven't you? | | Back to Top | | |
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PaulMc
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| Posted 10/12/2005 5:10 AM (GMT -4) | | quote:
Originally posted by John Hocking
Howard, you HAVE seen 'The Vikings' already.
Haven't you?
Well, I'm not Howard, but I did finally buy it and watched it a month ago. I was surprised at how good it was. I was also surprised by the historical accuracy. It seems that we tend to think that only modern movies have the proper amount of historical studies to be accurate, but The Vikings came complete with miniature horses that the Norsemen specifically bred for the rocky terrain of fjords. And the details on the wood carvings were as ornate as Lord of the Rings Rohan sets.
Good stuff!
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MichaelEhart
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| Posted 10/12/2005 8:52 AM (GMT -4) | | I love The Vikings--- Bernard Schwartz and Issur Demsky bring a natural authority to their roles as Nordic barbarians of the Brooklyn tribe. :)
Actually, other than the New York street accents of Curtis, Douglas, and Borgnine (okay, he was from Conn., but he affected the tough-guy accents of the other two) the film is quite excellent--- I watched just a few months ago, and there were many things to reccomend it, especially the well-researched sets. Plus, and maybe most importantly to me, it was fun.
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Bruce Durham
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| Posted 10/12/2005 12:03 PM (GMT -4) | | quote:
Originally posted by PaulMc
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Originally posted by John Hocking
Howard, you HAVE seen 'The Vikings' already.
Haven't you?
Well, I'm not Howard, but I did finally buy it and watched it a month ago. I was surprised at how good it was. I was also surprised by the historical accuracy. It seems that we tend to think that only modern movies have the proper amount of historical studies to be accurate, but The Vikings came complete with miniature horses that the Norsemen specifically bred for the rocky terrain of fjords. And the details on the wood carvings were as ornate as Lord of the Rings Rohan sets.
Good stuff!
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JMP
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| Posted 10/12/2005 1:37 PM (GMT -4) | | The one sour note for me in The Vikings is that bit at the beginning about poisonous seas at the edge of the earth. When I was a kid watching the movie on TV, it didn't seem so bad, but I've read a fair amount of the Old Norse stuff since then, with nary a mention of toxic seas. As soon as I saw that Viking ship sailing into its harbor I knew it would be o.k., though (and it was). Some great moments in that movie, and beautiful period detail.
I loved the Graves book (Hercules, My Shipmate) too-- except that I wanted more magic. Graves often explains away the miracles of myth, according to his own peculiar notions of what the myth means. What's left is a great story told by a great writer-- Graves was a master of clear effective English prose, and a fine storyteller --but surprisingly light on fantasy.
His Homer's Daughter is another one in the same vein. And, come to think of it, there's also Count Belisarius-- a big influence on Leiber, I think.
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jonesha
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| Posted 10/12/2005 1:58 PM (GMT -4) | | Ah--Now I HAVE read Count Belisarius. Enjoyable, though a little distant. I stole Belisarius's final battle and based a story around it. Fascinating general.
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