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crystalwizard
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| Posted 5/10/2008 5:56 PM (GMT -4) |   | Jaqhama said...
karateka can break solid objects with their hands and feet and other body parts...which are impossible to break with those body parts...how can it be explained?
It is plainly impossible for a human hand to smash four pine boards (or even more solid objects) in half A: In the first place. B:without damaging the bones/muscle/tissue of the body part...yet men and women do it all over the world every day.
It's not impossible to break those objects with hands and feet. Physical science comes in to play with how boards and everything else are broken.
It's quite possible for a woman in stilettos to punch holes in a hard wood floor if she weighs more than 200 pounds, because with each step the pressure being exerted on the floor under those heels is up in the thousands of PSI.
The same goes for throwing punches. One of the first things you learn is not to punch the target. Punch something behind it. The amount of force is massive and people who are just starting out frequently wind up putting their hand through the target and into the wall.
Pine is pretty fragile too, and breaks without too much pressure. Even bricks, which seem quite solid can be broken easily with a trowel (I've watched it done) and a couple of taps. Ice is much harder to break than either of those, because it gives and compacts under pressure, instead of fracturing. Additionally, the guys I've watched breaking boards with their hands are using the heel of their hand, not the side as depicted in the movies. And the arm is straight. That turns the heel into the blunt end of a ramrod and with all the force that the wielder can muster being focused on the target that ramrod is headed for the impact is enormous, and concentrated in a small area, not spread out. Because the material that the target object is made from is usually not something that can compress well, it comes apart. | | Back to Top | | |
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Rob Mancebo
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| Posted 5/11/2008 1:06 AM (GMT -4) | |
Swashbuckler said...
CW: Another thought -- if you mistrust James Randi, you could try a college or high school science class. It actually would be a really cool experiment for a group of young science students to try, and give them a chance to see if they could devise a valid test. It woulod be a good learning experience for them whatever the results showed.
- Sorry to have cut & run for a couple days. Had to fly to LA to see my son graduate.
- Anyway, that's how Hoshinjutsu was created. It was the off-shoot of a self defense class. As the teacher, Glenn challenged his students to bring in all the 'Weird Science' ideas they'd heard of and they'd try them out. Chi Kung, telepathy, aura reading, intuition, accupressure, anything they'd heard of. What he learned became the basis of 'Path Notes of an American Ninja Master'.
- Anyone who doesn't want to 're-invent the wheel' when it comes to experimenting with ideas that are currently 'beyond science' would do well to read his book.
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Rob Mancebo
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Rob Mancebo
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| Posted 5/11/2008 1:53 AM (GMT -4) | |
Jaqhama said...
So....going back to my original post...and having read everyones for or against thoughts on science vs unseen engergy or forces...
If Ki, Chi, internal energy; is not reconisable by science...and karateka can break solid objects with their hands and feet and other body parts...which are impossible to break with those body parts...how can it be explained?
- in 'Making the Most of your Internal Energy', Wong Kew Kit claimed that Chi/Ki radiation is somewhat measurable by modern science. These sort of studies seem to take place in the orient where it's modern science challenging their ancient traditions.
- That's also a good book of simple working techniques to raise your energy & strengthen your body. He also gives a quick run down on 'Iron Shirt' chi Kung (A technique to make you sword/knife proof -- demonstrated during the 'Boxer Rebellion', but not bullet proof--also demonstrated during the 'Boxer Rebellion'.) and 'Cosmos Palm' (For shattering bricks).
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MysticWino
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| Posted 5/12/2008 12:25 PM (GMT -4) | |
Jaqhama said...
So....going back to my original post...and having read everyones for or against thoughts on science vs unseen engergy or forces...
If Ki, Chi, internal energy; is not reconisable by science...and karateka can break solid objects with their hands and feet and other body parts...which are impossible to break with those body parts...how can it be explained? A great part of this is preparation. Go shake the hand of a prof, and then the hand of a brickmason. Which hand would break against a stone? Serious practitioners of the martial arts tend to beat their hands, feet, elbows, knees, etc. against stone and wood repeatedly over the length of their practice. This actually makes their bones, muscle, and skin a heck of a lot tougher than your average clerk. There are also certain skills in making a fist more compact.
Look at soccer: how many Joes off the street could take a shot to the head like a seasoned soccer athlete can? I know I'd get a cuncussion from that. And yet those guys take bean shots all the time without any visible damage. It's a matter of discipline, practice, preparation, and concentration.
Also, chi may be more subtle than what the instruments are seeking. Or they could be looking right at it and missing it. Or it could be a force as mysterious as dark energy - heck, it could BE dark energy for all we know. [My pet theory with dark energy/matter is that it is simply energy/matter awaiting manifestation, whereas the rest we know as energy/matter is manifest already.]
It is plainly impossible for a human hand to smash four pine boards (or even more solid objects) in half A: In the first place. B:without damaging the bones/muscle/tissue of the body part...yet men and women do it all over the world every day. Can't be impossible. I've seen it done with my own eyes. Cinderblocks as well. And I've seen folks injure themselves in the attempt.
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