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carnifexpress
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| Posted 9/1/2006 2:23 PM (GMT -5) |   | Yeah, that is a pretty goofy thing they have going there, lol... of course I voted.
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Frank
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| Posted 9/1/2006 2:58 PM (GMT -5) | | | Yeah, but Seven of Nine's got great...nevermind... | | Back to Top | | |
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carnifexpress
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| Posted 9/1/2006 3:00 PM (GMT -5) | | ...and that's why I voted for her, of course.
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Frank
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| Posted 9/1/2006 3:11 PM (GMT -5) | | | Oh, well if we're counting women authors who have sadly left us behind on this planet then I would have to mention Leigh Brackett, may her soul explore the mysteries of the universe forever, if you believe in that sort of thing, which I don't but I wish her well anyway. | | Back to Top | | |
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Frank
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| Posted 9/1/2006 5:17 PM (GMT -5) | | | If we're sticking to living authors how about Carol Emshwiller and Maureen F McHugh? | | Back to Top | | |
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carnifexpress
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| Posted 9/1/2006 6:33 PM (GMT -5) | | To be honest, I stay away from female writers because I feel - rightly or wrongly, don't attack me, just being honest - that the female fantasy writer is too "sappy" for me. No, I can't point out exact writers and stories, since I've stayed away from them... never read any woman writer in Fantasy, and looking at my book shelf the only ones I see are Anne Rice, Poppy Z Brite, Laura J Underwood and Storm Constantine
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Frank
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| Posted 9/1/2006 7:23 PM (GMT -5) | | | I feel that way about female film directors in general because most of the films I've seen that were directed by women sucked. But female authors I've read plenty of. My fav female author is probably LeGuin but I'd have to think about it some more. I've read some really cool stuff by Joyce Carol Oates and Anne Rice, of course...oh and Marge Piercy is high up on my list of fav poets. | | Back to Top | | |
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carnifexpress
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| Posted 9/1/2006 8:40 PM (GMT -5) | | I just tend to want my fantasy more macho-sounding, without women riding dragons and casting spells... not a fan of magic in general anyway, although the Raymond Feist books are a definite exception. But he's not a female.
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Dave Hardy
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| Posted 9/1/2006 9:17 PM (GMT -5) | | C.L. Moore was an excellent SF and fantasy writer. While some of her SF doesn’t quite grab me, some of it is the most gripping, doom-laden, epic-in-a-bottle stuff I’ve ever read. I’m thinking of JUDMENT NIGHT and VINTAGE SEASON. JUDGMENT NIGHT in particular is one of the best blow-up-the-cosmos, million-starship, warrior-princess space operas I’ve read.
Her fantasy is not swashbuckler sword & sorcery. She used a lot of Lovecraftian horror imagery. Jirel is a spiritual fighter, she seldom wallops anybody with a sword. I rather like it. While I’m more partial to stories with Assault w/ Intent and GBH, the Jirel stories stand up well as Fantasy/Horror.
Now, a lot of critics and fans like to talk about how REH brought a hard-boiled attitude to fantasy, Brackett brought hard-boiled style. Matt Carse or Stark sound, and kind of act, like Philip Marlowe. Thanks to Ms. Brackett, I’ll always think of the Martian Low Canal cites as something like LA. Dry, full of hoodlums, and having an alien culture. Brackett was pretty mean hand at tough-guy stuff. Very readable, lots of action.
I’d say that what Moore and Brackett have that is distinctly feminine, is a sensitivity to how people relate to each other. The impact of conversation and unspoken cues comes through. Brackett shows that in STARMEN OF LYRDIS, less so in her Martian stuff. Carse and Stark are hard men, real ego-driven tough-guys. JUDGMENT NIGHT balances personal relationships with planet smashing in a manner that leaves me breathless.
Not to argue that SOME women writers and directors are more at home with Fried Green Estrogen or The Cramps of Madison County, but Ms. Moore and Ms. Brackett could hang with the tough guys if they wanted.
Dave Hardy
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Dave Hardy
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Christopher_Heath
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| Posted 9/1/2006 11:42 PM (GMT -5) | | I voted for Jane Fonda as Barbarella...don't understand why I was the first?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
For you younger guys, if you haven't seen that...it's pure camp, but take the time. The opening scene is breath-taking.
Christopher M. Heath
"Azieran: Beyond the Black Veil" in Stalking Shadows
"Azieran: In the Wake of Ain Koph's Fall" in Grendelsong #4
"Azieran: Kaiburr the Rotund" in Blood, Blade, and Thruster
"Azieran: Loxlimchk" in Turnpike Gates
"Azieran: The Crown of Roon" reprinted in SciFantastic #6
"Azieran: Creed of the Desert Kings" in Forgotten Worlds
"Azieran: Maixgloan" in GrendelSong #2
"Azieran: She of the White Lotus" in Sages and Swords
"Azieran: Blood and Kings" novella by Carnifex Press
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carnifexpress
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| Posted 9/2/2006 10:34 AM (GMT -5) | | lol, Barbarella is a classic
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Bill Ward
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| Posted 9/3/2006 11:32 AM (GMT -5) | | Alienating the 'science fiction field?' The science fiction field IS writers, you're talking about scifi pop culture.
Look, nothing wrong at all with a fun poll about the babes of scifi film and tv; you just have to understand that 98% of the people on a forum about literature read your link and fully expected to go there and pick from LeGuin, Moore, Butler, etc., so when they saw a bunch of babes in cat suits they were a bit aghast that these were somehow examples of 'top women in science fiction' when they were really just hot chicks in padded undergarments in movies with lots of special effects.
LeGuin changed a genre, Barbarella just changed her costume. | | Back to Top | | |
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erazmus
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| Posted 9/3/2006 11:50 AM (GMT -5) | | Bullhockey.
Those characters are all created by writers, often teams of writers. Popculture masquarading as science fiction. Wouldn't know science if it bit them on the arse.
You know how Hollywood makes its "science Fiction"? By taking real Science Fiction (written by real SF writers) and cutting it down in all ways until it is something small enough to be enjoyed by joe six-pack between commercials. Using eighty three pages from a thousand page book, discarding every original idea along the way, to produce eighty eight minutes of Pap. Or twenty eight minutes to be continued next week.
Hollywood does, of course, have women working in the field of science fiction, fantasy and horror. Marty Noxon and Debra Hill come to mind. The teams responcible for _creating_ those shows and characters, many of them women, are working in Science Fiction. The poll in question is refering to pin-ups, doesn't even credit the actresses who portray the characters.
Put another way, Lazarus Long isn't working in the field of Science Fiction, Robert Hienlien did work in the field of SF. Lazarus is part what SF produced, but not a producer. He isn't real, and neither are any of the women mentioned in the poll. There are real women producing real work in SF, and polls like these discredit them greatly.
Mike
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