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Discussions elsewhere have started to make me think about the subject of popularity versus literary merit. Which is truly important in publication? Does it really matter?

Some people seem to like my poetry well enough. One of my works managed to come in tied for first runner up in one horror poetry contest. Other examples of my works have been in three separate on-line "best of issues" and two forthcoming print "best of" anthologies. And, of course, there's my ever growing list of publication credits.

And yet, some people don't really seem to think my work meets their criteria for certain poetic formats and styles. I've had theory and examples recited repeatedly to explain how my work falls short of their interpretation of the rules and standards.

So, which group is right, and which group is wrong? You may say that it depends upon each individual work, but I'm starting to believe otherwise. 
 
As I sat here posting links to my latest poetry publication, listening to early Duran Duran, I realised something. There is a strange connection between my poetry and Duran Duran's music. The young 80s public loved their music. The music critics hated it, and thought it was just drivel and drive. And yet, Duran Duran, in various permutations, continued to make music, continued to sell albums, even when their general popularity waned. They just released a new album this past year.

What's really important in the music business, getting critical acclaim or selling records? What's truly important in the publication business, gaining literary acclaim, or selling your works to publications and publishers?

Not that I'm advocating writing and selling complete garbage, but I think trying to reach for some lofty literary goal is often overrated.  I understand that standards and rules can be important, but I don't think they should be the only thing considered.  

Just some food for thought.


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   Posted 5/5/2008 3:08 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Richard,

I'll go the extra step and advocate for "complete garbage".

I am sick and tired of picking up a top-level magazine and not being able to make heads or tales of any of the so called fiction in its pages. In genre, out of genre, mainstream or what have you-- it has become fashionable and more than fashionable to put out opaque, over written crap and call it literature. I don't want to have to work through a story, I want to read and enjoy it.

Maybe I just never picked up an appreciation of the finer points of lit. The whole point seems to be to write in code so the "in" crowd can nod their heads and say "Its great" while looking down on the poor illiterati who just scratch their skulls and go "huh?". I like a story that carries me through to the end without asking me to do all the lifting. I like a good gun fight, a car chase, a punch to the nose, better than introspective meandering. I like a poem that keeps me reading, and smiling, rather than clicking over to google and Wiki to decode.

If "Garbage" is defined as writing that can be read and enjoyed by the masses, who read and enjoy nothing that isn't spoon-fed and coated with plenty of sweeteners, I'll take the garbage. I get enough high fiber, healthy reading in my research, I don't need it in my entertainment.

Mike


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"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
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"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

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"Pink Plastic Flamingos" in Big Pulp
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"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction
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"The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords
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"Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction
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"Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction
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   Posted 5/5/2008 3:11 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
RHFay said...
Discussions elsewhere have started to make me think about the subject of popularity versus literary merit. Which is truly important in publication? Does it really matter?


Yes it matters. Maybe not in the grand scheme of things, but it matters to you as the author and it matters to your audience.

As to which is truly important, the answer to that depends entirely on which matters to you AND your audience more.
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erazmus said...
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If "Garbage" is defined as writing that can be read and enjoyed by the masses, who read and enjoy nothing that isn't spoon-fed and coated with plenty of sweeteners, I'll take the garbage. I get enough high fiber, healthy reading in my research, I don't need it in my entertainment.

Mike

While I do think it's true one man's garbage is another's treasure, I'm pretty much in agreement with you here, Mike.  It's a ridiculous notion that popular does not equal good.  Ridiculous!
 
I don't mean 'in vogue' -- I mean popular.  The style mavens of any medium (art, film, literature, fashion) must needs decry the choices of 'the masses'; without distinguishing themselves as different, they don't have a product to sell (said product being themselves).  None of this invalidates or even comments in any significant way on the 'garbage' favoured by the majority.
 
For me, it's pretty simple:
 
I write stories.  I hope other people will like them.  The end.


 
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   Posted 5/5/2008 3:52 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
crystalwizard said...
As to which is truly important, the answer to that depends entirely on which matters to you AND your audience more.
Well, I don't want absolutely no literary merit in my work.  I try to insert "literary techniques" such as figurative language into my works when I can.  I try very hard to use interesting and beautiful diction, and others have commented on that fact.
 
Still, I want people to be able to read and enjoy my works.  That's my main goal.  And if a certain horrorku or cinquain are less than "high-impact", if some that seem decent to me still fall short of certain people's ideals for the form, then so be it. 
 
I'm beginning to realise that you can't please all of the people all of the time, and that some people will find fault regardless of what you do.
 
I don't write for the literary academics - I write for my readers.  Certainly in terms of speculative works, your audience are the editors, publishers, and readers of speculative fiction and poetry.


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Richard,

I'll go the extra step and advocate for "complete garbage".

I am sick and tired of picking up a top-level magazine and not being able to make heads or tales of any of the so called fiction in its pages. In genre, out of genre, mainstream or what have you-- it has become fashionable and more than fashionable to put out opaque, over written crap and call it literature. I don't want to have to work through a story, I want to read and enjoy it.

Maybe I just never picked up an appreciation of the finer points of lit. The whole point seems to be to write in code so the "in" crowd can nod their heads and say "Its great" while looking down on the poor illiterati who just scratch their skulls and go "huh?". I like a story that carries me through to the end without asking me to do all the lifting. I like a good gun fight, a car chase, a punch to the nose, better than introspective meandering. I like a poem that keeps me reading, and smiling, rather than clicking over to google and Wiki to decode.

If "Garbage" is defined as writing that can be read and enjoyed by the masses, who read and enjoy nothing that isn't spoon-fed and coated with plenty of sweeteners, I'll take the garbage. I get enough high fiber, healthy reading in my research, I don't need it in my entertainment.

Mike

 
Well put, Mike.  I think some lose sight of the fact that speculative fiction and poetry is basically a form of entertainment.  While it can certainly have literary merit, I think the goal is often just to tell a really good story.
 
And this can hold true for speculative poetry just as much as speculative fiction. 


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Camille Alexa said...
For me, it's pretty simple:
 
I write stories.  I hope other people will like them.  The end.


And well put, Camille.  I basically feel the same, although I do let certain critics get the better of me sometimes.  I know I shouldn't, but I'm human.  I have feelings.  And I'm proud of my work so far.

Some have suggested that I would have a hard time with bad reviews, but I see that as different than some of these fora critters.  Feedback is good, even negative feedback, but I think some discussions are just plain toxic (not here, elsewhere).


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RHFay said...
crystalwizard said...


As to which is truly important, the answer to that depends entirely on which matters to you AND your audience more.
Well, I don't want absolutely no literary merit in my work. I try to insert "literary techniques" such as figurative language into my works when I can. I try very hard to use interesting and beautiful diction, and others have commented on that fact.


Still, I want people to be able to read and enjoy my works. That's my main goal. And if a certain horrorku or cinquain are less than "high-impact", if some that seem decent to me still fall short of certain people's ideals for the form, then so be it.



I'm beginning to realise that you can't please all of the people all of the time, and that some people will find fault regardless of what you do.



I don't write for the literary academics - I write for my readers. Certainly in terms of speculative works, your audience are the editors, publishers, and readers of speculative fiction and poetry.


So the answer to your question is that in your case, literary merit is about 35% important.
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So the answer to your question is that in your case, literary merit is about 35% important.
Something like that. smilewinkgrin   Perhaps a little higher, depending upon the particular piece.  Maybe 50-50, although putting a real number on such a thing is pretty much impossible.  Maybe I care about literary merit a bit more than I'm willing to admit, or at least more than I realise.  I know diction is very important to me.  Actually, at times I can be absolutely obsessed with getting the diction "just right".
 
I think you have a clue as to what my work it like.  I don't ignore literary quality, but I make sure people can read it and enjoy it.  At least, I try to write my speculative poems so they can be enjoyed, even by people who don't usually read poetry.
 
Is that a bad thing? confused
 
Anyway, I'm just in one of those moods today.  Certain things just rankled me today.  Yes, rankled is a good word for it. devil


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I really think that this should be up to the individual magazine. They know what their readers expect.

Some magazines, especially literary magazines, are looking for examples of fine writing. Places like GlimmerTrain and Zoetrope value terrific writing, and that's what their readers expect.

From what I gather from CW and Mike, Flashing Swords would be the other end of the spectrum. If something's going to be popular with their readers, they don't expect/require masterful prose.

EDF is smack in the middle, I guess. We want to appeal to a broad range of readers, but also publish high quality fiction. This is much more difficult, because we're trying to appeal to both ends of the spectrum at once.


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Richard, I can relate a recent anecdote that may be relevant to your question.

A couple weeks ago two of my poems were accepted for the summer issue of an online literary zine. I was quite excited, though my wife couldn't at first understand why. It's a non-paying market, and I sell work to online zines all the time.

"Literary validation," I explained. "These editors are discriminating and particular--they run work by poet laureates, don'tcha know."

Which is not to say that genre editors are not discriminating and particular! But the thought had occasionally gnawed at the back of my mind: "Am I only capable of writing publishable material if it features spirit dogs or reanimated corpses or disembodied brains or screaming skulls?"

If that were the case, I guess I really wouldn't mind. It's what I love to read, and it's what I love to write. I have an added consideration, though, being a college professor: I don't list Weird Tales on my curriculum vitae. The lit mag is something I can add to my CV.

However, I didn't immediately start thinking, "Hey, maybe I could be the next James Dickey or Billy Collins or Robert Bly!" Rather, I felt like I'd thrown a sop to the "literary merit" types, and now I could go back to writing what I love to write for an audience that appreciates and enjoys it.


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I write what I write. If I'm telling a story, I tell a story. If I'm writing a poem, I write the poem. The rest of those considerations are very seldom in my mind when I write. I'm told repeatedly that my writing is too literary . . . My question, then, is 'what, precisely, do you mean by too literary'?

As for literary writing: it's not some elitist game, and I resent the accusation. It's a serious fault in understanding audience most of the time. People write about things that are on their minds. They write analogies that are familiar to them at the time they are writing. In the case of a great many collegiate writers, the allusions can get bizarrely obscure because that's where they are at the time - or it's something that bubbled up from their compost swamp of a subconscious. Believe it or not, most of that crap makes sense to the writer. My question is why in the world so much of it gets published. If I don't understand a poem, I'm certainly not going to waist page space unless it's my own work - and then only if there is another reason for it going in.

In the long run, the literary quality of your writing is likely to determine your longevity in print. But this brings up more nuances: vogue literati crap, serious literature, and popular writing. Vogue literati crap - crap so gawds-awful it only get published by NEA grant money, is likely to be seen as fad crap in under a decade; 99.9999999% will be completely lost within 20 years. Serious literature is a crap shoot due to the shear volume. And pulp is likely to survive only if you sell more than half a million copies in hard back.

So it comes down to this, really:
1) do you want to feed your family with your writing skills
or 2) do you want your name in a widely-published text book thirty years from now?

Pay now, or pay later in an immaterial manner that is very unlikely to keep you in beer, let alone decent wine?

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MysticWino said...

So it comes down to this, really:
1) do you want to feed your family with your writing skills
or 2) do you want your name in a widely-published text book thirty years from now?

Pay now, or pay later in an immaterial manner that is very unlikely to keep you in beer, let alone decent wine?

Why not both? smilewinkgrin

Realistically, I would rather get paid now.  My poetry might not "feed my family", but it does make me a little (very little) money.  Enough for a beer, or maybe some wine (I've been busy).

I personally don't have a problem with literary works.  I've been known to dabble with literary stuff.  However, it's not my passion, it's not what drives me, it's not what makes me get out of bed at midnight and jot down a dreadfully disturbing or weirdly marvelous scene.  It's speculative themes that do that, it's speculative subject matter that drives my passion for writing.

Let's face it, striving for literary longevity after we're dead is a great goal, but it's not likely to happen.  However, that doesn't mean we should stop trying.

Should we debate theory until Doomsday, or should we get our work out there and see what people make of it?  I would rather do the latter.

There are times for talking, and then there are times for doing.  I have been called arrogant, and maybe I am, but a writer needs a certain amount of self-confidence.  If not, you would never submit your work for fear of rejection.  That strategy certainly won't work.  A poem, story, or novel that sits on your hardrive or shelf because somebody felt it didn't match his or her ideal of the supposed form will certainly never get published.

I wouldn't mind literary validation, but I'm not sure it will ever happen, and it's not my primary goal.  If it was, I would be writing about my inner demons instead of demons from beyond. 

Of course, some may say they are still one and the same.  And who am I to argue?  (Rhetorical question - no need to answer that.)

I may be rambling now, but it's been one of those days.  I'm glad I have my SFReader friends to help me make sense of it all.  Because there are times it doesn't seem to make much sense at all.

Cheers!


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Last weekend I was at a table with Michael Moorcock, Michael Chabon, Joe R. Lansdale and Walter Jon Williams. Every one of those guys have won prestigious literary awards, Chabon the Pulitzer, Moorcock the Guardian Fiction Award, Lansdale 2 NYTimes Notable Book of the year Awards, and only Williams with "genre" awards only, but mutiple Hugo and Nebulas and such for all.

So these guys can write, not just salable crap, but crap that the snotty critics notice.

Is their stuff popular, too? Let's just check.... OMG, Becky, fetch the smelling salts, I'm going to faint! These guys sell enormous numbers of books, and sometimes the even the stuff the critics like sell well.

I write my little stories the best I am able, the way I would like to read them. While it would be a grand thing to win a literary prize to put on the mantle next to my bowling trophies and to insert casually into every conversation I had with anyone, anywhere, ever again "I'll have a Big Mac, Fries, and oh, by the way, in my Pulitzer-Prize winning novel I referred to the soft-drink as Diet Coke. Oh, and throw in some extra napkins, willya?" --- I am not writing with that in my mind. That there is a ton of allusion and sub-text in my stuff has to do with how I think and my best attempt to tell the story and evoke the mood I am trying to, not to provide thesis fodder for coming generations of college freshmen. I suspect, lazy as I am, if I could tell the stories in a simpler fashion, so I would.

Sturgeon's law applies to me, as it does with everyone--- I just trying to make certain that my 90% is as high-quality crap as I can make it.


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gosh, reading taste is so personal.
i tend to shy away from "literary" because
i've often found it to be overwritten.
i usually pick up books only to be entertained.

i do admire good prose, but i like it more
simple where it's not in your face look at
how literary i am.

i read to find good storytelling carried
by good prose. that's all.


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Amazing how different the attitude is here versus other places where they seem to talk a lot about writing but don't actually write much for publication. Interesting. Makes one wonder.

Anyway, I know it's not necessarily a "one or the other" thing, but there are times it feels that way. Especially when certain types try too hard to look "edjumucaded".


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Richard said...
I wouldn't mind literary validation, but I'm not sure it will ever happen, and it's not my primary goal.  If it was, I would be writing about my inner demons instead of demons from beyond. 
rofl   Love that last line.
 
To follow up: My favorite works, and favorite writers, do a fine job of exploring both.


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Nicholas said...
Richard said...
I wouldn't mind literary validation, but I'm not sure it will ever happen, and it's not my primary goal.  If it was, I would be writing about my inner demons instead of demons from beyond. 
rofl   Love that last line.
 
To follow up: My favorite works, and favorite writers, do a fine job of exploring both.

There are times I'm really writing about both.  I just pretend it's the second.  Don't tell anybody, though.
 
Aw shucks, I just told the world, didn't I? smilewinkgrin


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SFF is different from mainstream fiction because of the importance of being able to invent imaginative plot ideas. That doesn't mean that writing skills are unimportant, but that they don't dominate as much as in the mainstream.

As far as I'm concerned, provided that an author has a reasonable standard of writing skill, it's the plot and the ideas which matter. Very literary SFF authors tend to write books which are bigger, slower in pace and somewhat lacking in tension. I find them admirable but not so much fun!

I agree with those who say - write what you enjoy reading. It's the only way you're ever going to enjoy your writing. Don't try to be what you're not.

The literati tend to sneer at popular fiction and hold that only high-quality literature stands the test of time. Well, Edgar Rice Boroughs was no literary master but his books are still read and loved today. I'd settle for that!

 


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It's been my experience that genuine literati are too busy reading, researching, and writing to be disdainful.

I opine that the true culprit here is wanabeism. It's not those who are in the academy, nor those on the bookshelves who tend to quibble over these things with invectives and pejoratives. It is the failed in either category - or those who are not yet mature in their art/craft and are simply frustrated with their own lack of instant progress.

I myself tend to be quite abusive, verbally, with pulp writers, editors, publishers - heck, the entire industry - any time I get another rejection with either "Too Literary" or with some lame critique on what was wrong with the story that made it unpublishable. Most of the latter come from incompetent or lazy critics/readers. The former tend to come from honest folk who are too arrogant to assume that maybe the reading public can comprehend more than the label of a box of cracker jacks!

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   Posted 5/6/2008 4:18 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't mean to imply that everything published in literary magazines is opaque crap, just that a lot of it seems to be. Same with the major genre magazines, at least, in my opinion.

Now some of it is great reading, some even great writing. But a lot of it just isn't fun enough to hold my interest.

The last issue of Glimmertrain I bought had about sixty pages of stuff I really enjoyed. I tried, but wasn't able to slog through most of the rest. Maybe its just me.I have better luck with Rosebud, always at least a couple of stories and a few poems I like, and I can get through most of the issue.

Zeotroupe I found puzzeling. The go for great writing? I've only ever picked up the one issue, and it might as well have been printed black on black for me. Very opaque. Maybe it was that issue, I'll give it another try, but I was really disappointed.

I've been very pleased with the last two issues of both Asimov's and Analog, good stuff there, got through eighty percent and enjoyed most of it. Looking through the bag I carry with me to work, full of reading material and ongoing writing--time to clean it out anyway-- lets see; Realms of Fantasy-- some great articles, a few stories I managed to read through, nothing that jumps out at me (meaning I know I've read at least three stories completely but can't tell which ones from looking at the ToC.) Space and Time-- loved one (The Last Birthday by Roy Post) several other good one --Morlan's, Linzer's at least. Felt I got my money's worth here.

City Slab--usual excellent or at least entertaining non-fic, enjoyed Ward's story and Nance's. I'd buy this one anyway, for the articles on the Misfits and Coffin Joe. Apex Digest-- well I like most of this one, Shrews and Keenes, Paul Jessups, both posters here and I had to read trhe conclusion to Girard's Cain XP11:The Wicked King. What a great novella/short novel. I can get through most of the stories and enjoy over half, as I have of every issue I've read. Weird Tales, the eighty-fifth anniversary issue. I still hate the new logo, The Moorcock story I'm workig through, its long but so far excellent. Really enjoyed Monet's and Kirk's.

Notice anything?

The lowbrow publications with a strong dedication to fun had more stuff I could get into that the "higher quality" pubs did, across the board. This isn't a new phenomena for me. Just out of what I've been lugging around to read this week its clear, the fun stuff has sunk to the bottom, and I'm going to be a bottom feeder from now on.

But its not enough that I find what I like and go with it. I write, and I want my writing to be seen and (more importantly) paid for. I've heard too much about the shrinking circulation of the various digests not to wonder-- maybe its not just me. Maybe other people besides myself are looking for fun, fast-paced stories with a levening of action? Not that they never happen, I've enjoyed dozens over the last decade, but wanted much more. Like at least one or two an issue.

I never want heavy reading in my sf and fantasy, or horror. Maybe others do, I dunno. I am sure there are less people to please in the audience today than when I started reading genre digests (give a hint here, Jim Baen was editing Galaxy then). Pleasing the readers now might be at odds with trying recapture the readership of yesterday. I know that I'm trying to "elevate" my writing to get in while still writing things I'd like to read.

We'll see how that goes.

Mike


Michael D. Turner
"Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books
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"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm

"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php
"Pink Plastic Flamingos" in Big Pulp
www.bigpulp.com/m.html
"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/morning-coffee-by-michael-d-turner/
"The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords