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Charles Gramlich
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Date Joined Aug 2007
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Posted 3/29/2008 12:50 PM (GMT -4)

As for boring fight scenes? They hardly ever bore me as long as they give me detail. Of course, it's necessary to care about the characters. The worst fight scene I ever read was in "The Wizard of Oz" where it consists of something like: "He killed that one. Then the other one came at him and he killed that one. After a while he had killed all of them."

Charles Gramlich

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Jack Windsword
Stablehand

Date Joined Mar 2008
Total Posts : 33

Posted 3/29/2008 2:34 PM (GMT -4)

"I get bored real quick if the fight scene isn't realistic."

Does this mean kicking power levels up a few knotches is bad?

Back alley scuffles of flesh and steel are great, but if a hero has to fight a wizard, then I want to see that wizard be a wizard. I want him to launch massive swirling bolts of colorful energy that can destroy buildings. I want to see him tear open the world and summon a forbidden abomination with hellfire in its veins that can devour souls. If the hero has a "powerful magic sword," then I want to see the power.

Am I the only one in this camp?

erazmus
Master

Date Joined Jul 2005
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Posted 3/29/2008 3:12 PM (GMT -4)

Jack,
I'm sure you're not. Realistic has different levels of meaning. And POV is important in what works as well. I don't mind insane levels of power and magic, but I have to feel tension, I have to have something invested in the scene as a reader and I want the scene to pay off on that investment. Easiest way with wizards is to let the reader inside the head of one side of the fight and show the effort! Resisting magic or using it isn't supposed to be effortless, and its part of the action in that fight. If you can't see it from the outside and its important, you have to take the reader inside to show it.
Mike

Michael D. Turner
"Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books
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"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
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"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php
"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction
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"The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords
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"Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction
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"Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction
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Read "Silver Shells" In Every Day Fiction
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erazmus
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Posted 3/29/2008 3:14 PM (GMT -4)

Charles,
I remember that scene. The scarecrow is fighting the witch's crows, and later the Tin Woodsman is fighting her wolves. Both parts were extensively rewritten at the request of the publisher, but yes, Baum is perhaps not the ideal author to pattern one's combat scenes from.

Mike

crystalwizard
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Posted 3/30/2008 2:45 AM (GMT -4)

Jack Windsword said...
"I get bored real quick if the fight scene isn't realistic."

Does this mean kicking power levels up a few knotches is bad?

Back alley scuffles of flesh and steel are great, but if a hero has to fight a wizard, then I want to see that wizard be a wizard. I want him to launch massive swirling bolts of colorful energy that can destroy buildings. I want to see him tear open the world and summon a forbidden abomination with hellfire in its veins that can devour souls. If the hero has a "powerful magic sword," then I want to see the power.

Am I the only one in this camp? VIEW IMAGE

That 'wizard' sounds more Like Galactus than a wizard to me.

cussedness
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Posted 3/30/2008 4:59 AM (GMT -4)

www.janraefrank.com/stories/the_whorehouse_devil.html Have a look at the concluding fight. It's a mix of action and thought, but it moves fast. that's how i like them.

Janrae Frank
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Once there were three brothers, Brandrahoon the vampire, Isranon called the Dawnhand, speaker to spirits, and Waejonan the Accursed, first of sa’necari. Isranon defied his brothers and was destroyed, his descendants forced into the darkness.

The Shadowed Princes
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Charles Gramlich
Acolyte

Date Joined Aug 2007
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Posted 3/30/2008 12:39 PM (GMT -4)

Erasmus, yes, the Tin Woodsman versus the wolves. *Shudder* I didn't know it had been rewritten at the request of the publisher. They wanted the violence toned down?

Charles Gramlich

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erazmus
Master

Date Joined Jul 2005
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Posted 3/30/2008 8:13 PM (GMT -4)

Yes. Afterall, it was (IIRC) 1897-1898 and this was a book for children.
Mike

Jack Windsword
Stablehand

Date Joined Mar 2008
Total Posts : 33

Posted 4/3/2008 5:03 PM (GMT -4)

crystalwizard said...

That 'wizard' sounds more Like Galactus than a wizard to me.

He could kick Thoth Amon's (sp?) ass...

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