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|  Rob Santa Sage

       Date Joined Apr 2004 Total Posts : 1423 | Posted 2/22/2008 5:54 PM (GMT -4) |   | | I'm thrilled to discover wine afficianados on this board (through it doesn't surprise me in the least). Consider this the thread to discuss anything and everything about wine.
First, if I may demystify for anyone who thinks wine is beyond them...wine is just grape juice left out in the sun. We'll start from there and work our way forward.
I've been deeply involved in wine (as a restaurant professional) for decades, though only in the last ten or twelve years have i really been studying it. The beauty part of wine is that, unlike something finite like combustion engines, oenology is a constantly-changing course of which I am glad to be a student.
Bold statements to stake my claim in the "Ask the Expert" thread:
Best grapes in the world: Sauvignon Blanc for white (only nudging out Resiling), Barolo for reds
Best bottle I've had in the last year: 2000 Shafer Hillside Select Cabernet. Got it for free, to boot.
Best wine value (tie): Sutter Home Sauvignon Blanc (yes, I said Sutter Home). Great acid, light fruit that won't bowl anyone's tastebuds over, this is about as approachable as wine gets for everyone and is 4 to 5 bucks a bottle. The other one is Beringer Chenin Blanc, a varietal with natural vanilla notes that are usually imparted to whites through oak aging (I spit on the ground here at the amateurs that cask wine to mask imperfections as the result of poor growing technique) and a higher level of sweetness (plus lower alcohol), this is a great transitional wine that can move drinkers of White Zinfandel to better blends.
Worst wine value: Opus One. Despite having Mike Salacci, Opus One's master wine maker, come and give us a talk and tasting of the 1992 through 2000, i still think this is about as overpriced as wine can get. Don't get me wrong, the making of the wine itself is brilliant, with seamless transitions from front of the palette to back, even down the throat, but at those prices I'm sorry, it's just not worth it. Better off with other makers' top tier reds for half the price.
Best wine innovation: screw caps. Wine can go bad through a mold that forms on natural corks. Conservative estimates put it at 3% of all wines are bad because of this. The new screw cap design (employed by more than 95% of all New Zealand bottlings and growing in acceptance worldwide) means 100% of the wines will taste as they should. Translation: the wine makers are thinking more about the consumers of their products than image. Unfortunately, I'll only know this has been fully embraced by the wine community when I unscrew a bottle of Chateau d'Yquem.
Worst wine innovation: plastic corks. They don't let in oxygen the way corks are supposed to. Hence, most wine in plastic-sealed bottles is lousy. Better drink a white bottled that year if anything.
Okay, have at it.
Rob Santa
Hopelessly Addicted Writer of Speculative Fiction
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  |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1629 | Posted 2/22/2008 7:43 PM (GMT -4) |   | I just read something (don't recall specifics, as I've been researching about 98 sources) that claimed on %1 of wines as "corked" (which is the industry term for moldy or fungal infestations from cork). Rubber plugs are, indeed, detestable. Especially since most vintners I've found using them tend to bottle their wine "green" (I'm borrowing from beer vocab here, not sure if they call it that with wine). I'm with you on the screwtops, though it wasn't an easy sell. I wouldn't expect to see them on anything that ages well, though. I mean like a bordeaux or such that doesn't plateau before five years.
I'm thinking that "corked" wine is more prevalent now because there is a worldwide shortage of good, real cork. So some of the cork being used is too wet to begin with. But that's complete speculation.
Pardon me for my one bit of wine snobbery: White Zin is not wine, it's a failed experiment that caught on with folks who graduated from Everclear Punch and 'coolers'. I'll sooner call sangria wine! [it's a wine-based cocktail and wonderful when well executed, especially by a blue-eyed Portuguese woman named Amy - who is also an author]
The Australians made a pretty good job of maturing from Matilda Bay [still gagging], to some very interesting varietals. I've always thought that the Down Under and South African wines were rather dissimilar to European wines of the same grape and vintage. But some are really great.
I love Spanish reds! Rioja. And Itallian reds - pretty much any sangiovese wine or blend. Also Chilean reds and French. I love a good cuvee or prosecco.
Did you know that the shape of the glass is very important? It influences the oxidation of the wine as well as doing a lot to determine how the wine is presented to the palate. I never could figure out the champaign bowls of yesteryear; I always prefered flutes.
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  |  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 909 | Posted 2/23/2008 3:28 AM (GMT -4) |   |
Rob Santa said... Ah, yes, white zinfandel is merely soda pop for adults. But without the 50,000 acres devoted to white zin production in California we wouldn't have the 8,000 acres devoted to authentic, red Zin.
- Oh damn! White Zin is a favorite of mine, as is white Merlot. Man, I'm glad I never claimed any wine expertice! Of course I listened to Robert Moldavi who said, 'drink what you like' and proceeded to tell of Lord Rothchild drinking his frozen like a slurpie (He said, 'Don't tell anyone, but I just like it that way'.)
- I see wine making as a very old and honerable profession that brings pleasure to multitudes. It's like telling stories or playing music. I wouldn't pay $300 a bottle for it but if someone else wants to, enjoy with my blessings.
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 |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1629 | Posted 2/24/2008 2:52 PM (GMT -4) |   |
Rob Santa said...Ah, yes, white zinfandel is merely soda pop for adults. But without the 50,000 acres devoted to white zin production in California we wouldn't have the 8,000 acres devoted to authentic, red Zin. As much as I would never put white zin in my mouth except when teaching a class (and even then I prefer not to but feel some creeping sense of professional need to join the other tasters), I'd drink red zin every day and twice on Sunday (especially if I were roasting lamb). Spanish wines...I'm making more yummy sounds deep in my throat. Tempranillo is a merlot variant native to Spain and thrives in higher altitudes, especially the Rioja region.
There's a great white from there called Basa; it's damn near perfect with raw oysters (lemony with a mineral finish that comes from the fossilized shells that dominate the soil). Cheap, too, as an added bonus. Sorry. Can't sell me on the oysters. I'm landlocked in the Midwest, and I've had one bad oyster - all it takes. Get me on the coast, and you might convince me with the wine, but I'll never eat another oyster without the seabreeze in walking distance. I like Rioja wines, both red and white. The vintner I used to get from a locally-owned stopped carrying the El Coto that was my favorite brand. They had a blush now and again, too. Contrary to my SOP, I tried it and loved it with a sharper fruit salad (tangerines with green apples and freshcut pineapple and a mix of grapes). Didn't go well with the Havarti, though. Don't recall why.
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 |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1629 | Posted 2/24/2008 2:56 PM (GMT -4) |   |
Rob Mancebo said...
Rob Santa said... Ah, yes, white zinfandel is merely soda pop for adults. But without the 50,000 acres devoted to white zin production in California we wouldn't have the 8,000 acres devoted to authentic, red Zin.
- Oh damn! White Zin is a favorite of mine, as is white Merlot. Man, I'm glad I never claimed any wine expertice! Of course I listened to Robert Moldavi who said, 'drink what you like' and proceeded to tell of Lord Rothchild drinking his frozen like a slurpie (He said, 'Don't tell anyone, but I just like it that way'.)
- I see wine making as a very old and honerable profession that brings pleasure to multitudes. It's like telling stories or playing music. I wouldn't pay $300 a bottle for it but if someone else wants to, enjoy with my blessings.
I agree with you both!
On the other hand, it seems to me that there's some correlative relationship similar to that between Hallmark cards and poetry. And I advocate the same stance on both issues: consume what you like. I also advocate occasional forays beyond one's comfort zone in the interest of enriching one's experience. Read me soon in The Return of the Sword! Blog: http://bitterhermit.wordpress.com Buy wine: http://fringemonkey.org Poetry Blog: http://fringemonkey.wordpress.com | | Back to Top | | |
 |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1629 | Posted 2/27/2008 12:01 PM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
  |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1629 | Posted 2/27/2008 6:00 PM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
  |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1629 | Posted 2/28/2008 11:39 AM (GMT -4) |   | Rob, I defintely agree on Ravenwood. Anything after 2002 or so seems . . . off somehow. That happens when a wine hits it big, doesn't it? I've had a lot of great Zins lately. Dancing bull seems to have gone parallel with Ravenwood, but I still prefer it marginally. Cardinal Zin is fun. I'm getting in TTV's signature Zin tonight. Likely save it for Sunday's tasting, though. So anyone in the Springfield, Illinois area is welcome to email and drop in this Sunday at 2:30 CST. It will be quite an eclectic crowd, too: poets, museum folk, retired librarians, a blues harpist, folks from the Classical Guitar society, and at least three novelists. Not to mention . . . well, it'll be a great time!
A medium bodied Argentine or Chilean red goes well with the asparagus, too. If you spice the asparagus with spicy dijon and McElhaney's Chipotle like I do. Makes for quite a unique meal . . . and a lot of askance looks from the inlaws . Read me soon in The Return of the Sword! Blog: http://bitterhermit.wordpress.com Buy wine: http://fringemonkey.org Poetry Blog: http://fringemonkey.wordpress.com | | Back to Top | | |
   |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1629 | Posted 2/29/2008 9:56 AM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
   |  MR Hicks Stablehand

       Date Joined Mar 2008 Total Posts : 45 | Posted 3/1/2008 1:27 PM (GMT -4) |   | Unfortunately, despite my best efforts, I've never really acquired much of a taste for traditional wines (and I've had a few good ones). The whites are more palatable than the reds, but almost all of them are too bitter or dry for me.
So, I've wound up squarely in the so-called white zin soda pop crowd! But the nice thing is that a friend of mine got me into wine-making (with kits, not stomping the grapes), and that's been a lot of fun and has produced some really good-tasting wine! While I've done some traditional wines, nowadays I pretty much stick to the fruity wines from the Island Mist line.
But particularly if you really enjoy traditional wines, winemaking is a great hobby that's also inexpensive (about $100) to get into and very easy to do (MUCH easier than making beer!). The kits like I use run around $50 to $100 and produce 30 bottles. But of course you can also be more traditional and pick your own grapes, etc.
Cheers, Mike Author of In Her Name, a Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel now available on Amazon Kindle. Learn more and read a free excerpt at www.KreelanWarrior.com! | | Back to Top | | |
 |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1629 | Posted 3/1/2008 5:27 PM (GMT -4) |   | | Where do you get the kits? I've been growing a grapevine for three or four years now. It should be good for a little wine this year.
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