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   Posted 11/20/2008 7:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'll just bet you already have an answer formed and think you know what the question is.

I'll bet you're wrong.

The question:

In the "publishing industry" you hear a lot of screaming and hollaring about how "the writer should never pay to have their work published" and how "the money flows TO the author"

Did you know that if you are in the Literary side of this industry and your work is accepted for publication in a major Literary Journal you are expected to fork over a lot of money for the privilege of being published in it? And did you know that it's considered an honor? Did you know that competition for spots in certain of those journals is fierce?

Tell me, whether you knew that before or you just now learned it:

WHY is it considered a good thing to pay to be published in the literary side of our profession but considered a bad thing to pay to be published by the spec-fiction side?
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   Posted 11/20/2008 7:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think, no offense, it's because with literary fiction, hardly anyone reads those journals except those with writing degrees.


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   Posted 11/20/2008 8:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Examples please.


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   Posted 11/20/2008 9:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Me or CW?


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   Posted 11/20/2008 9:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
JJAC116 said...
Me or CW?


Me, probably. He's going to be disappointed because I'm not going to list specific examples. I don't want the question taken off into a discussion about this or that specific journal.
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   Posted 11/20/2008 10:02 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The payee/payer 'rule' is about not getting scammed by bad agents, editors, publishers, etc. that are asking for reading fees or other money from clueless wannabe writers. That's all it is.

Reputable literary journals conducting business like this are a completely different thing -- for starters they aren't a scam. And when you are talking about these publications you are talking about a whole different world from that of the working writer; in literary-academia this prestige is directly translatable into things like tenure chances, department clout, grants (!), class size, invitations to lectures or academic journals, etc. It's a different model.

I don't think it's just the spec fic side that can't operate like this, it's all popular fiction. The reason is the majority of working writers of these genres don't have a university teat to suckle on.


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   Posted 11/21/2008 6:21 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
People writing in journals without pay do it because it is part of their profession: for example, they must publish in order to still be teaching. So they make money out of publishing in a journal, but in an indirect way (they get to keep their tenure). So it doesn't matter that they don't get a check from the publisher, they get it from their boss.

But a writer who is writing fiction or writing non-fiction (say a journalist) gets direct benefit from the publisher and the publisher alone.


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   Posted 11/21/2008 6:52 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I don't know about literary journals that make the writer pay for the privelege of appearing in their publication, but I do know that there seem to be plenty of literary journals that don't pay. The best you get is the privelege to appear in their journal, that thing called "exposure".

It kind of makes one look at genre "4 the luv markets" in a slightly different light. SOME may just be worthwhile publication credits, especially when you consider how many literary journals are basically "4 the luv" markets.

And no, I will not go into what I consider to be worthwhile credits. I think that is really up to the individual writer. One person's trash is another person's treasure, and circumstances are unique in every situation.

Furthermore, I will not be posting some specific examples. It would be easier to direct you to the literary short-fiction (or poetry) section(s) of Duotrope's Digest. Look at ALL the markets with an "N" designation in the "Payscale" column.

I can't imagine ALL those markets with an "N" in the "Payscale" column are disreputable. And perhaps some of the "biggies" might pay, and even pay well. However, just like the genre pro-markets, those golden opportunities in the literary world are few and far between.

(I had looked into perhaps composing and submitting literary or mainstream poetry before deciding to concentrate on speculative poetry.)


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