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MysticWino
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   Posted 5/9/2008 2:31 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here's a rather bizarre question someone recently asked me:
 
"Do you think that if I had my pineal gland removed that it would protect me from psychic attack?"
 
Yes. It was a serious question. From a person who was seriously concerned about it.
I'm very interested in seeing what folks here think. Just opinions, please. I really don't want to start a debate over it, simply a friendly banter of speculation. smilewinkgrin
 
Oh, and I'd be obliged also to have links to information on the pineal/psychic connection if anyone knows any. Thanks.


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   Posted 5/9/2008 3:16 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
But it couldn't it also leave you open to psychic attack?

Been a looooong time since I've done any reading on the pineal gland/out-of-body-experiences/psychic phenomenon, etc., etc. But I seem to remember the pineal gland was potentially responsible for helping bring about out-of-body experiences and other personal psychic abilities/experiences.

So, without one, wouldn't a person be MORE vulnerable to psychic attack?

And before I get laughed at ... yes, I realize all this is just speculative talk. I'm a speculative writer.


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   Posted 5/9/2008 4:06 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The question seemed to be asked from the standpoint of the pineal being responsible for vulnerability as much as for such powers. So, I don't think you're really offbase at all. Within the logic of the question itself, that's a poignantly valid question. And an interesting conjecture . . .


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   Posted 5/9/2008 6:22 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I dunno about protecting them from psychic whatever, but it sure wouldn't make them healthy if they did that. Here's a good info page on what it does:

www.becomehealthynow.com/article/bodyendocrine/737/

Pineal Gland Functions

Hormones

The pineal gland contains a number of peptides, including GnRH, TRH, and vasotocin, along with a number of important neurotransmitters such as somatostatin, norepinephrine, serotonin, and histamine. The major pineal hormone, however, is melatonin, a derivative of the amino acid tryptophan. Melatonin was first discovered because it lightens amphibian skin, an effect opposite to that of melanocyte-stimulating hormone of the anterior pituitary. Secretion of melatonin is enhanced whenever the sympathetic nervous system is stimulated. Of greater interest, however, is the fact that secretion increases soon after an animal is placed in the dark; the opposite effect takes place immediately upon exposure to light. Its major action, well documented in animals, is to block the secretion of GnRH by the hypothalamus and of gonadotropins by the pituitary. While it was long thought that a decrease in melatonin secretion heralded the onset of puberty, this hypothesis cannot be supported by studies in humans. It is possible that the pineal contains an as yet unidentified hormone that serves that function.

Melotonin is the only hormone secreted by the pineal gland. (The pineal gland is a tiny endocrine gland situated at the centre of the brain.) Melatonin was discovered in 1958 by Aaron B. Lerner and other researchers working at Yale University. Melatonin is produced in humans, other mammals, birds, reptiles, and amphibians. It is present in very small amounts in the human body.

Melatonin was previously known to cause the skins of amphibians to blanch, but its functions in mammals remained uncertain until research discoveries in the 1970s and '80s suggested that it regulates both sleeping cycles and the hormonal changes that usher in sexual maturity during adolescence. The pineal gland's production of melatonin varies both with the time of day and with age; production of melatonin is dramatically increased during the nighttime hours and falls off during the day, and melatonin levels are much higher in children under age seven than in adolescents and are lower still in adults. Melatonin apparently acts to keep a child's body from undergoing sexual maturation, since sex hormones such as luteotropin, which play a role in the development of sexual organs, emerge only after melatonin levels have declined. This hypothesis is supported by the fact that children with tumors of the pineal gland often reach sexual maturity unusually early in life, presumably because the pineal's production of melatonin has been hampered. Melatonin also seems to play an important role in regulating sleeping cycles; test subjects injected with the hormone become sleepy, suggesting that the increased production of melatonin coincident with nightfall acts as a fundamental mechanism for making people sleepy. With dawn the pineal gland stops producing melatonin, and wakefulness and alertness ensue. The high level of melatonin production in young children may explain their tendency to sleep longer than adults.

In mammals other than humans melatonin possibly acts as a breeding and mating cue, since it is produced in greater amounts in response to the longer nights of winter and less so during summer. Animals who time their mating or breeding to coincide with favorable seasons (such as spring) may depend on melatonin production as a kind of biological clock that regulates their reproductive cycles on the basis of the length of the solar day.


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   Posted 5/9/2008 6:34 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Well, if you're dead, I assume that protects you from psychic attack.

Another article I read indicated an extremely high incidence of cancer in persons who had been inflicted with a pinealectomy. Seems there's a link between numerous cancers and Melotonin - I mean that higher levels of M tend to pair with lower incidence of cancer. That was very interesting.

Also, imaging studies show a marked increase of heat/bloodflow in the pineal gland during meditation. Found that very interesting as well.

Also, those who practice/follow Kundalini focus their chi to balance between the pituitary and the pineal. In Chinese medicine, the kidneys are the powerhouse of the body because they have the highest bloodflow among glands. The pineal is second behind the kidneys. According to a couple different articles I read.

Also, the pineal is gaining more attention in relation to mental illness - especially schizophrenia.

Fascinating stuff! Thanks for the link and info.

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   Posted 5/9/2008 9:59 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In my opinion psychic phenomenon does not exist, so the person’s question has no validity. I’m not trying to argue here, I’m just stating what I believe to be true. :p

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   Posted 5/9/2008 10:45 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Allen, define psychic phenomenon. Do you believe that brainwaves exist?


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   Posted 5/9/2008 11:12 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Of course I believe in brain waves, but I’m skeptical about claims that connect brain waves with “psychic” powers. I’m also fairly certain that the word “psychic” is intended to describe supernatural phenomena: ESP, telepathy, clairvoyance, ect. I don’t believe in those things. Again, I’m not trying to argue here, just expressing an opinion.


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   Posted 5/9/2008 11:27 PM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I wholeheartedly believe in psychic abilities, to the point that I also believe we all possess them. Ever been thinking about someone and the phone rang? Guess who was at the other end?

We all have them (as well as protection from anything that might be considered threatening). We also have all of these abilities in various strengths. Some people have forward vision, others can delve into a person's thoughts and memories. Don't laugh, I'm a firm believer. So, how would mutilating an already functioning body that provides both pretection and ability improve matters?



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   Posted Yesterday 6:03 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't believe in any psychic powers. I think that when people believe that they've experienced something like guessing who was on the phone, it's just a coincidence, a function of the normal operation of the laws of probability. They remember the coincidences and forget the times when their guesses were wrong.
 
People generally underrate (in fact, don't understand) probability - they feel that any coincidence must have some significance. I don't believe that it does. For instance, on one holiday in Madeira many years ago, I was in a cafe on a remote part of the island, and in walked somebody I knew slightly from work. The next year, I was in a hotel bar in Tangier, and in walked the same man. Significant? Nope - just coincidence. These kinds of things happen all the time.
 
 


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   Posted Yesterday 9:53 AM (GMT -4)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I disbelieve in coincidence as arbitrary/random/purposeless. I believe in powers of the mind because I have experienced them repeatedly myself and witnessed them repeatedly in others. In my estimation it is more related to animal instinct than anything like magic. It's a matter of being open to subtle energies. Being animals of a higher order, why is it we lack the simple facility to sense coming danger such as earthquakes? We lack the facility because it is trained out of us.  Because we are trained to distrust instinct and intuition. Almost all psychic phenomena I've encountered have been directly linked to intuitive intelligence and the development of such through meditation, concentration, and visualization. It's mostly a matter of people either ignoring their senses or rationalizing them.

As for the idea of psychic attack . . . I only give it a little credence because someone close to me has bipolar disease, and any time he's manic and within about 100 yards of me I can feel his mania like too much static in the air. And if he gets angry at me, I can feel that as though he were flicking me in the temple repeatedly - physical pain inflicted by psychic distress. And all the disbelief I can muster only changes the interpretation of the event, not the event itself.

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