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 |  Hermit Diavhrati Luminary

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  |  Hermit Diavhrati Luminary

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 |  crystalwizard Forum Moderator

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 |  Hermit Diavhrati Luminary

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1785 | Posted 5/1/2008 8:14 AM (GMT -5) |   | He believes so, but has no real reason to believe he can.
At this point in time, he has no idea that his wife is also a key character in this setting world. He thinks he knows a way back, but if he's wrong he'll die in the attempt. And despite his assertions otherwise, he really loves life.
In the BIG picture, he's been married to his wife for . . . ever. He only recalls his life on Earth and his subsequent relocation. On earth, his wife is his "third time's a charm" wife. They've been married for ten years. Having been a player through his 20s and 30s, he constantly fights the compulsion to wander; it is only the immensity of his love for wife #3 [and the immensity of his guilt for having been a s9it to his first wife and somewhat less a jerk to his 2nd] that keeps him honest. He holds an intellectual appreciation for monogamy, but really doesn't feel it. Truth and honesty are core values, and he feels it would be dishonest and disrespect his wife by being with another woman. If it did happen, he would not be able to lie to her about it - and yet he's learned better than to appease his own guilt by heaping grief and doubt on her and so would not voluntarily confess. Unless, perhaps, he were suddenly forced by circumstance to adopt a daughter obviously of his bloodline. Though he'd likely suggest that his brother's genes would create such a likeness before his own would (distraction, aka lying by diversion).
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 |  Hermit Diavhrati Luminary

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1785 | Posted 5/1/2008 5:52 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
  |  Hermit Diavhrati Luminary

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1785 | Posted 5/1/2008 6:09 PM (GMT -5) |   | How'd I give the impression she's alien? She's definitely human. Right now, anyway. And he really doesn't have a moral aversion to any act of pleasure - unless it inflicts harm on another. He's been away from his wife for far more than forty years! And, you're right, his mindset defaults to 'forget about it'; however, the guy is definitely very human and definitely attracted to the girl for numerous reasons. Among those reasons: she is key to his longterm schemes; she has a hot body; she is the most skilled ranger he's ever met, which is saying quite a lot; she's one of the most skilled martial artists he's ever met, and again that is saying a great deal; and he's been alone for fifteen years living in a cave and studying flora, fauna, and geology!
But it was the drugs that got to him . . . Not a thing either of them could have done to stop it. Simple mistake.
crystalwizard said...
MysticWino said... his wife is his "third time's a charm" wife.
>snip
it is only the immensity of his love for wife #3 [and the immensity of his guilt for having been a s9it to his first wife and somewhat less a jerk to his 2nd] that keeps him honest. Then why is he even considering another woman? if he has that much love for wife #3, the very idea of another woman should be repulsive regardless of how seductive she might try to be. Not to mention the fact that she's NOT HUMAN, she's an alien. Might look human but the way you've described his mindset she shouldn't even be a consideration for him. Kinda like "just how tempting would it be if a wild animal on some exotic island tried to put the moves on you if you were shipwrecked there?"
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 |  Hermit Diavhrati Luminary

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1785 | Posted 5/2/2008 7:02 AM (GMT -5) |   |
crystalwizard said...
MysticWino said... It is set in Kumari Vale. Which is not in this galaxy. That fact doesn't make the humans any more alien than an American is to a Chinese or Japanese or German, etc. depends on the mindset of the character though, whether he would consider someone not birthed on earth to be viable or not. He's pretty open-minded and very conscious of species elitism.
MysticWino said...
And Skinner certainly has no qualms about interracial relations. The only basic anatomical differences for Valliants is that they have a few other glands, slightly larger brains, and a penchant for being lefties. They also tend to avoid the development of a corpus collosum, thus they are more whole-brained - which consequently leads to a high incidence of ambidexterity despite left-hand primacy. Which would really only matter to Skinner if he were a biologist or doing an autopsy at the time ;) Been there, done that. He's a Luminary and a prof in thier world. He's done numerous autopsies on animal and humanoids alike. How do you think he's refrained from sex for so long? He sublimates and occupies his mind with the study of everything. He's especially intrigued with the parapineal gland, not so much the metathyroid. And, just for the record, the sexual anatomy of Valliants is identical to that of humans; however, the gestation period and menses are longer. Skinner suggests that this is related to the lunar cycles and gravitational nuances.However whether he would see her as someone to have any moral qualms over has everything to do with whether he sees her as being as 'human' as he sees those people from his home world being. The guy is really amoral. He is very compassionate at times, but is also overly objective and scientific when his curiosity is piqued. He values intellect and reason, and also places a high value on compassion. Though he has flashes of romantic tendancies, he's overall quite the pragmatist. He likely sees valliant roundears as more human than himself - but it's irrelevant in terms of the pleasure principle. Especially when shepherdsbane comes into play [shepherdsbane is a turnip-like plant grown at 2000-3000 Pale in the Western Skyteeth and has the exagarated properties of the maca; grown at 1200-2000 Pale is the more radish-like lambspaw, which is used for its benefits to circulation, digestion, and accelarated healing. Not good to mistake the former for the latter . . .] Read me soon in The Return of the Sword! Blog: http://bitterhermit.wordpress.com Buy wine: http://fringemonkey.org Poetry Blog: http://fringemonkey.wordpress.com | | Back to Top | | |
      |  SilviaMG Neophyte
        Date Joined Feb 2008 Total Posts : 150 | Posted 5/2/2008 8:29 PM (GMT -5) |   | "IMO, that's seems like a cop-out. And repugnant. It would make me really dislike the ranger woman."
... If somebody drugged me and had their way with me I'd be pretty ticked off. If you go this way you should probably explore what the man feels after been tricked in such a way.
"Does he cheat on his wife to save the world in which he presently lives? Or remain faithful at the cost of countless innocent lives?"
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 |  Hermit Diavhrati Luminary

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1785 | Posted 5/7/2008 12:57 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
  |  Hermit Diavhrati Luminary

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1785 | Posted 5/7/2008 3:04 PM (GMT -5) |   | Nicholas, it wouldn't be my head on a pike . . .
Seriously, though, I understand that. I used to use that excuse, but I learned that it was a copout and just got honest about it.
I don't want to spoil it, so I won't tell you how it happened. I think it makes both characters more human as well as more sympathetic the way I worked it. No date rape [if you have to prove intent, anyway], and no crutching on the wine and shrooms - not exactly, anyway.
I seriously would have had no qualms in regards to the date rape scenario except for audience feedback. In the context of their culture, I don't think it would have been out of the question. HOWEVER, it really did go against the ranger's character. She wanted him on her own merits, not by deception or worse. She wanted him as much as a conquest as a companion - which came with its own psycho-social baggage for her. She is, after all, a soldier. And, truth to tell, she got way more than she bargained for . . . Read me soon in The Return of the Sword! Blog: http://bitterhermit.wordpress.com Buy wine: http://fringemonkey.org Poetry Blog: http://fringemonkey.wordpress.com | | Back to Top | | |
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