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   Posted 4/17/2008 3:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I know there are a ton of different schemes out there. So how do you generate:
  1. Character names -- intuitive or by research on your setting/time?
  2. Place names -- real places; original names; countries/worlds/cities?
  3. Culture -- based in history, or by amalgamation of hitorical/fictional/mythological places?

I ask this mainly because I was in a writing critique group a few years back and was taken to task for the inconsistencies of names in regards to people and places. Some thought it was rather a pointless criticism, but others seemed to get really bent about historical/cultural consistency. So . . . I'm curious what everyone here thinks. ;-)


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   Posted 4/17/2008 4:11 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ooh, good question. For me, pronounce-ability is a factor. If I make up a name (place or person) I want the reader to be able to say it like it looks. When I read, if I come across a name that I can't figure out, I make up a mental short-hand for it.

One place to look is a baby names book. Piers Anthony wrote: "The name 'Xanth' was from my 'Names' book. I use these books not for the usual purpose of naming babies...but for naming characters in my fiction."


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   Posted 4/17/2008 4:30 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When I was writing my now-shelved fantasy novel, I tried to use names that had a "medieval" ring to them. I looked up medieval (Anglo-Saxon, Viking, etc.) names and made a list. I would then either use a name diectly off the list, or come up with something that sounded like it would fit on the list. A few were just made up from scratch, but many were created with historical names in mind.

A few of the names were different, and somewhat deliberately so. My main character's name was Andrew, which is a "normal" name, but also an old one historically. And it was his name going back years and years.

I still want to do something with that character some day.

Anyway, other characters or creature names I've used I try to make sound either "spacey" or "humourous" or "dark", depending on what I'm trying to do with that particular piece. Iltrox sounded alien and possibly threatening. Shubiyemp sounded humourous, and possibly cute and cuddly.

How much consitency is there historically anyway? Take England for instance - it has place names (current and historical) derived from many different cultures - Latin, Anglo-Saxon, Viking, Norman, British. And then there's Wales...


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   Posted 4/17/2008 5:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Usually I tend to use historical names, or at least historical-sounding names. Many of the names in The Servant of the Manthycore are from either the various King Lists (Babylonian, Akkadian, Sumerian, Assyrian, or Hittite) or made by combining roots and inflections. Also there is a long history of title names in the ancient middle-east. Saul, from the Bible, for example, was most certainly a title name, rather than his birth name, as it means "Asked for" and he was the king that the people asked for. I used this to name a head priest in a story, Dirgir, which means... head priest.
The place names are historical.
In both cases I will tweak spelling if needed to make names friendlier to the modern eye.


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   Posted 4/17/2008 6:14 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
History is a great thing to plunder for names of many types. Then again, sometimes keep it simple. In the UK we have a number of places called by what is there - field (Sheffield, Huddersfield), mouth (Portsmouth, Bournemouth), for (Oxford, Bideford), etc.

As for Wales, have fun with Aberystwyth and Llanelli. (don't forget the c in the last one!)  lol


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   Posted 4/17/2008 6:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree with Michael - if the story is in a historical setting, then I use historical names. If the story is a second world piece, I do whatever I want as long as it has certain consistency among the tribes present. Future stories - I just dump a modern name in, and try to mix and match ethnicities to reflect future "melting pot" globalized societies.


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   Posted 4/17/2008 6:30 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I use CW's idea. I go through my spam filter and find something nice.


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   Posted 4/17/2008 9:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't have any single method. I always give myself permission to go back and change names, if something better occurs to me.
For character names, it really depends on the setting. In the past I have created a Navajo name by taking the given name and surname from two famous Navajos. I gave the given name Noldor to a gnome character because Tolkien had originally called the Noldor race of elves, gnomes. I have a SF character named Weirzbowski because it was so much fun hearing Bill Paxon screaming it in the movie Aliens. Most of the time I just use a name that pops into my head.
As for places, I tend to use real places if there is no negative connotation. I had my 'uplifted' koala hale from Nundle, just north of Sydney. Nundle is a real koala preserve... north of Sydney. I also twist existing place names. There are two roads near where I grew up. Clines Chapel Rd. and Denver Rd. I have a road named Denver Chapel.
If the setting/culture is realistic, I tend to use real sounding or actual names.
I have an alternate history that mixes real and made up names...
In pure fantasy settings I tend to invent names. I do sometimes use interesting real names. Dale Coyne Racing had their shop near to where I use to live in the Chicago area. Coyne is the first name of a fantasy character now.

I steal/borrow/twist stuff from all over. No set pattern or rules. Names are fun, that is unless I can't think of a good one.


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   Posted 4/17/2008 11:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I tend to make up stuff that sounds good to me, although if my hero has a particularly kind of ethnic background I might look to the history of that group for inspiration.


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   Posted 4/18/2008 8:17 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I often dream ideas for stories, and the characters' names come along. For my Norse trilogy, I started with the two MCs in a dream set in Scandinavia. (I later came across their names in a book I'd read years earlier! v.subconscious.) Then for the other characters, places etc. - I was working as a copyeditor for scientific journals at the time, and lifted every Scandinavian name I came across. When the trilogy moved into a made-up society, I invented the language and names at the same time to sound alike. Likewise, in my undersea stories, all the names sound like whalesong. Linguistic consistency is very important to me - "Bob" in a society of "Abdullahs" completely breaks my mood.
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   Posted 4/18/2008 8:30 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm fairly strict in some respects about names - any culture I come up with I'm likely to have an idea about both linguistic structure and naming system (eg patronymic, or by function/place of origin).

I borrow historical cultures heavily, more than making up my own from scratch.

I don't name characters with any thought as to the "meaning" of their name, subtle or otherwise, I've always thought that was best left in the 16th and 17th century (much as I enjoy Jonson and others).


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   Posted 4/18/2008 8:30 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Right now I just make them up or pick one I want, but if I was writing a story with a historical setting I'd pick ones that fit.


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   Posted 4/18/2008 10:24 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Oh yes, you can always take from characters, minor ones, in movies. Especially goons who get killed off or have a fleeting reference. Of course, if you get caught, you just call it a homage.  ;-)


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   Posted 4/18/2008 1:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Since the majority of my cultures are immigrants from our world, I use names that fit the cultures they are derived from. I use the Writer's Digest Character naming Scourcebook a lot. And I use surnames.behindthename.com/ for surnames and behindthename.com/ for first names. Then I try to decide how they might have altered over the centuries.


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   Posted 4/18/2008 1:28 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ha-ha, I LIVE on behindthename.com. While most of my stories take place in fictional worlds, all have a recognizable relationship to historical cultures, from Renaissance Italy and Tudor London to the ancient Maya and Roman Egypt. It really helps to have a source-sheet of ethnic names on hand!


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   Posted 4/18/2008 2:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
behindthename.com is a great resource. I use it a lot.


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   Posted 4/18/2008 4:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the advice I got those bookmarked now.

Sometimes the charactors tell you their names and no other will fit. That was especially true for my genetically enhanced female assassin- Shasti Rainhell.


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   Posted 4/19/2008 11:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I tend to stick with names that fit the culture of the people I'm writing about.  Even in a fantasy world, the region where the people live makes a difference.  In "The Other's Mission," for example, the names of the people in Yirte are all Swahili names.  Names of places depend on who I think would have named them.  I'll admit that there are times when I mash my hands into the keyboard and look for strings of letters to build from, but even then, I'm creating names that match.  I don't like elves named Steve, for example.  Oh, one other trick: think of a normal name (like Steve) and then think what the equivalent name would be within your story's culture. 


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I try to reflect the cultures & ethnic backgrounds of the people who have settled in my science fiction worlds in names - particularly placenames. For instance - the Moon's main spaceport is Selenehampton in my time travel novel & in another space opera, I have borrowed from the habit of calling planets after Greek & Roman gods - but also added some Hindu deities into the mix, along with a sprinkling of well-known scientists & cosmologists for names of space stations.

In my trilogy, set on an illegally colonised planet by a breakaway sect aspiring to agrarian values & lifestyle, the world is called Arcadia & all the placenames and continents are Latin names for plants.

My latest book which is about a space-Merchant Latino culture, I have (unsurprisingly) delved heavily into Spanish/Portguese names for my ships & characters. I always think carefully about the ethnic origins of my characters - and if they don't have one - like my genetically engineered slave race - I think of some rationale as to their naming.

I always start a book with several sheets of probable names for people & places that I have already researched from websites, dictionaries and directories that I've collected over the years and select the names from these lists as characters & places pop up during my writing. It saves a lot of time & the frustration of having to break off & think them up as I go along.


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Thanks for those links! Much better than the ad-hazard pages I was using. I also use a Writers Digest name source book - which I think is about 20 years old now.

So here is my very flexible theory:

  1. Character names -- intuitive or by research on your setting/time? I usually work within worlds too far from history to worry over the research. Besides, I like to WRITE, not to research. So, I usually figure setting and go from there. In Torkas Nahl, I was playing with the idea of one of the lost cities called Alexandria after it had been taken over several times by various empires. Somewhat like Jerusalem without the religion . . . So, I wanted factions that were ambiguously similar to Egypt, Sumeria, Persia, and Greece/Rome with the beginnings of encroachment by displaced Europeans and Eastern Indians. Basically, the city is a key stop on the main channels of commerce. That's why everyone wants control of it. Some of the names I changed by editorial suggestion, mostly by dropping surnames. Trav lost his first name [Arnoux]. Galwa lost his, too [Viscendi]. Anyway . . . I often take names for the sound and for the visceral reaction I have to the sound of their names. For gurus, I torture something from the Upanishads or Baghavad Gita. Another of my favorite things to do is to take the names of poets or other people in the world and mangle them into something that suits my purpose.
  2. Place names -- real places; original names; countries/worlds/cities? See the first sentence above. Most my names are meant to either sound or look similar to some mythic place - or they're totally contrived. Torkas Nahl began as Xandr Din. I think the final name was a nod to ERB's Tars Tarkas, but it could be coincidence; I don't recall thinking about it at all.
  3. Culture -- based in history, or by amalgamation of hitorical/fictional/mythological places? By amalgamation. I don't really deal very directly with cultural issues in my fiction, except through my characters. But . . . I usually have a fairly clear idea in my mind what that culture is.
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