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  |  RHFay Sage

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 1376 | Posted 4/17/2008 5:30 PM (GMT -4) |   | When I was writing my now-shelved fantasy novel, I tried to use names that had a "medieval" ring to them. I looked up medieval (Anglo-Saxon, Viking, etc.) names and made a list. I would then either use a name diectly off the list, or come up with something that sounded like it would fit on the list. A few were just made up from scratch, but many were created with historical names in mind.
A few of the names were different, and somewhat deliberately so. My main character's name was Andrew, which is a "normal" name, but also an old one historically. And it was his name going back years and years.
I still want to do something with that character some day.
Anyway, other characters or creature names I've used I try to make sound either "spacey" or "humourous" or "dark", depending on what I'm trying to do with that particular piece. Iltrox sounded alien and possibly threatening. Shubiyemp sounded humourous, and possibly cute and cuddly.
How much consitency is there historically anyway? Take England for instance - it has place names (current and historical) derived from many different cultures - Latin, Anglo-Saxon, Viking, Norman, British. And then there's Wales...
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did. I'm going to recite poetry!"
Richard H. Fay - Azure Lion Productions
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 |  MichaelEhart Sage

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 2303 | Posted 4/17/2008 6:29 PM (GMT -4) |   | Usually I tend to use historical names, or at least historical-sounding names. Many of the names in The Servant of the Manthycore are from either the various King Lists (Babylonian, Akkadian, Sumerian, Assyrian, or Hittite) or made by combining roots and inflections. Also there is a long history of title names in the ancient middle-east. Saul, from the Bible, for example, was most certainly a title name, rather than his birth name, as it means "Asked for" and he was the king that the people asked for. I used this to name a head priest in a story, Dirgir, which means... head priest. The place names are historical. In both cases I will tweak spelling if needed to make names friendlier to the modern eye. Click here to buy my book!
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Read me in 2008!
"Without Napier" Every Day Fiction, April 9
"Night of Shadows, Night of Knives" Magic and Mechanica, Ricasso Press, Spring 2008
"To Destroy All Flesh" Return of the Sword, Flashing Swords Press, Spring 2008
"Only His Name" Every Day Fiction, March 30
"An Exorcism Straight, Hold the Elvis" They Are Not What They Seem, Janrae Frank, ed., TBA
"The First Trial of Jermaish the King" Flashing Swords #10, May 2008
Still in print!
"The Stars by Law Forbidden" Unparalleled Journeys II, Journey Books, 2007
"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, Tenoka Press, 2007
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 |  Steven the Git Neophyte

       Date Joined Nov 2007 Total Posts : 183 | Posted 4/17/2008 7:14 PM (GMT -4) |   | History is a great thing to plunder for names of many types. Then again, sometimes keep it simple. In the UK we have a number of places called by what is there - field (Sheffield, Huddersfield), mouth (Portsmouth, Bournemouth), for (Oxford, Bideford), etc.
As for Wales, have fun with Aberystwyth and Llanelli. (don't forget the c in the last one!) “Hello, I am William Burton, Head of Recruitment and Integration for the Agency for Peaceful Regulation and Definitive Cooperation of Extraordinary Existence.”
spinetinglers.co.uk Bakemono will not stop! | | Back to Top | | |
     |  Keralen Acolyte

       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 491 | Posted 4/18/2008 9:17 AM (GMT -4) |   | | I often dream ideas for stories, and the characters' names come along. For my Norse trilogy, I started with the two MCs in a dream set in Scandinavia. (I later came across their names in a book I'd read years earlier! v.subconscious.) Then for the other characters, places etc. - I was working as a copyeditor for scientific journals at the time, and lifted every Scandinavian name I came across. When the trilogy moved into a made-up society, I invented the language and names at the same time to sound alike. Likewise, in my undersea stories, all the names sound like whalesong. Linguistic consistency is very important to me - "Bob" in a society of "Abdullahs" completely breaks my mood. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  tchernabyelo Acolyte
        Date Joined Oct 2006 Total Posts : 386 | Posted 4/18/2008 9:30 AM (GMT -4) |   | I'm fairly strict in some respects about names - any culture I come up with I'm likely to have an idea about both linguistic structure and naming system (eg patronymic, or by function/place of origin).
I borrow historical cultures heavily, more than making up my own from scratch.
I don't name characters with any thought as to the "meaning" of their name, subtle or otherwise, I've always thought that was best left in the 16th and 17th century (much as I enjoy Jonson and others). Brian Dolton
Land Of Wind And Ghosts stories:
"The Box Of Beautiful Things" - IGMS#3
"The Man Who Was Never Afraid" - Abyss and Apex #20
"At Blue Crane Falls" - Abyss and Apex #25 "Where No Wind Blows" - Staffs & Starships #2
"What The Sea Refuses" - Black Gate (forthcoming)
"What The Heart Bears" - Black Gate (forthcoming)
"Above The Clouds" - Paper Blossoms, Sharpened Steel (forthcoming)
"The Dragon Path" - Fictitious Force (forthcoming)
"Three Out Of Four" - Sorcerous Signals Feb-Apr 08
"The Last Arrow Of Liang Xi" - Darwin's Evolutions (forthcoming)
Stories in other settings:
"The Unicorn Hunter" - OG's Speculative Fiction #8
"Call Centre" - Necrotic Tissue #1
"When Winter Came" - ASIM #32
"Cold Fire" - Flashing Swords #9
"St. Saviour And The Devil's Dandy" - Flashing Swords (forthcoming) | | Back to Top | | |
       |  Matthew Wuertz Stablehand

       Date Joined Sep 2007 Total Posts : 9 | Posted 4/20/2008 12:29 AM (GMT -4) |   | |
I tend to stick with names that fit the culture of the people I'm writing about. Even in a fantasy world, the region where the people live makes a difference. In "The Other's Mission," for example, the names of the people in Yirte are all Swahili names. Names of places depend on who I think would have named them. I'll admit that there are times when I mash my hands into the keyboard and look for strings of letters to build from, but even then, I'm creating names that match. I don't like elves named Steve, for example. Oh, one other trick: think of a normal name (like Steve) and then think what the equivalent name would be within your story's culture. Matthew Wuertz
"First Son" in The Sword Review, Issue 11
"Becoming the Warrior" in The Sword Review, Issue 12
"From Drì Anem To Deřvinâss" in The Sword Review, Issue 13
"The Other's Mission" in MindFlights, Issue 4 | | Back to Top | | |
  |  MysticWino anarchist fringe monkey boddhisatva

       Date Joined May 2007 Total Posts : 1527 | Posted 4/22/2008 4:42 PM (GMT -4) |   | Thanks for those links! Much better than the ad-hazard pages I was using. I also use a Writers Digest name source book - which I think is about 20 years old now.
So here is my very flexible theory:
- Character names -- intuitive or by research on your setting/time? I usually work within worlds too far from history to worry over the research. Besides, I like to WRITE, not to research. So, I usually figure setting and go from there. In Torkas Nahl, I was playing with the idea of one of the lost cities called Alexandria after it had been taken over several times by various empires. Somewhat like Jerusalem without the religion . . . So, I wanted factions that were ambiguously similar to Egypt, Sumeria, Persia, and Greece/Rome with the beginnings of encroachment by displaced Europeans and Eastern Indians. Basically, the city is a key stop on the main channels of commerce. That's why everyone wants control of it. Some of the names I changed by editorial suggestion, mostly by dropping surnames. Trav lost his first name [Arnoux]. Galwa lost his, too [Viscendi]. Anyway . . . I often take names for the sound and for the visceral reaction I have to the sound of their names. For gurus, I torture something from the Upanishads or Baghavad Gita. Another of my favorite things to do is to take the names of poets or other people in the world and mangle them into something that suits my purpose.
- Place names -- real places; original names; countries/worlds/cities? See the first sentence above. Most my names are meant to either sound or look similar to some mythic place - or they're totally contrived. Torkas Nahl began as Xandr Din. I think the final name was a nod to ERB's Tars Tarkas, but it could be coincidence; I don't recall thinking about it at all.
- Culture -- based in history, or by amalgamation of hitorical/fictional/mythological places? By amalgamation. I don't really deal very directly with cultural issues in my fiction, except through my characters. But . . . I usually have a fairly clear idea in my mind what that culture is.
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