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1st person present tense - 5.6%
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1st person simple past - 16.7%
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3rd person present - 11.1%
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3rd person past - 61.1%
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a different POV altogether - 5.6%

 
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Lyn
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   Posted 1/25/2008 2:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've noticed (with some help) that I seem to gravitate to writing in first person present tense. We may have covered this already in a different thread, but what is your opinion on this POV? Thanks. Oh, and I'm surveying your preferred writing perspective, too. :-)


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   Posted 1/25/2008 2:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think 1st person present is very hard to maintain. Whenever I try it I keep sliding through it, like it takes to long to describe things and I slide out the back of "present" and have to catch up.
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   Posted 1/25/2008 3:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How about an option for all of the above? :-p I my own writing my most common is a deep 3rd, past, but I've used all of these, as well as 2nd person present and past and even a 1st person plural, past. Sort of. In reading what matters is what works. An ill-conceived 1st person is bad, but so is any other voice decision that doesn't pay off. I certainly don't ever decide whether or not to continue reading based on what voice and tense the writer used.


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   Posted 1/25/2008 4:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I cast my vote for 3rd person, past tense, and it's what I use most. However, one of my favorite stories (in the late Marion Zimmer Bradley's Fantasy Magazine) started with a brief 1st person, past tense introduction; them switched to 1st person present for the remainder of the story. For that story, it just felt right.

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   Posted 1/25/2008 7:21 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
First person present is used in several old radio shows quite a bit, and very effectively in show like _Johnny Dollar_.
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"Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books
www.baen.com
"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm

"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php
"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/morning-coffee-by-michael-d-turner/
"The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords
flashingswords.sfreader.com/issues/issue8/vol2-iss8-05.htm
"Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/happy-landings-by-michael-d-turner/
"Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction
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   Posted 1/25/2008 7:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've tried them all, and I tend to stick either to 1st person past or 3rd person past.

Present tense, though useful for some story types usually adds more difficulty to the writing than it brings benefits. If you can use it easily, then go ahead. I rarely bother with it unless I'm in on one of my litfic days, in which case I will consider it seriously.

What 1st person gives is an easy way to make the protagonists feelings evident. If you have a main character with a really strong voice, 1st person is a great way of showing it off.

Now, just for the heck of it, how about we put together an antho written entirely in 2nd person, plural, future tense. Criteria for inclusion is that the tense and person don't interfere with the story, and actually ADD something to it.


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   Posted 1/25/2008 8:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That could be done in a pamphlet, I think.
Mike


Michael D. Turner
"Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books
www.baen.com
"Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6
www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm

"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:

www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php
"Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html
"Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/morning-coffee-by-michael-d-turner/
"The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords
flashingswords.sfreader.com/issues/issue8/vol2-iss8-05.htm
"Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/happy-landings-by-michael-d-turner/
"Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction
www.everydayfiction.com/teller-of-tales-by-michael-d-turner/

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   Posted 1/25/2008 8:34 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm not sure people would buy it. 2nd person tense is notoriously hard to sell, mainly because people don't like to be told how to feel.


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   Posted 1/25/2008 8:39 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
2nd person is great for "Choose Your Own Ending" type of adventures though.
I've got one started at my secret test site - lgptesting.blogspot.com/

Anyone want to help me finish it? lol, just kidding. I'm actually turning it into a traditional, third person past fantasy novel. But the plot is now so much different than the "paths" I've created online. Still, would be interested in any feedback you might have. Thanks.


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   Posted 1/25/2008 8:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Totally worked for Fighting Fantasy, because in that case it really WAS supposed to be you going through the adventures, and there was zero internalization.


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   Posted 1/25/2008 9:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Lyn said...
I've noticed (with some help) that I seem to gravitate to writing in first person present tense. We may have covered this already in a different thread, but what is your opinion on this POV? Thanks. Oh, and I'm surveying your preferred writing perspective, too. :-)


I like first person. I have a problem with present tense. It depends, I guess, on the story and the person writing it, but usually what happens is that the story mixes present and past tense and makes me seasick.


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   Posted 1/25/2008 9:52 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
erazmus said...
First person present is used in several old radio shows quite a bit, and very effectively in show like _Johnny Dollar_.
Mike


I can see it in a radio show, or any live performance, because you are doing it and you're doing it now. It works, because it's easy for the actors to be in the moment. After all, they are doing whatever right then, in first person and in the present.

Sentences like

I go up the stairs and find a strange man in my bedroom

are awkward for me to read, but that's what you have to have for present tense.

I went up the stairs and found a strange man in my bedroom

flows better, but that (of course), is past tense.


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Gustavo said...

Now, just for the heck of it, how about we put together an antho written entirely in 2nd person, plural, future tense. Criteria for inclusion is that the tense and person don't interfere with the story, and actually ADD something to it.



You go right ahead and do that. I'll be cheering for you all the way (and hiding under my desk)
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   Posted 1/26/2008 10:57 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i havent tried 1st person present, but i like 3rd person present. Of course, doing something other than the traditional 3rd person past always restricts you in some way. But one of the best stories that i have ever read was in 1st person present.
All the non traditional POVs, tenses always have a certain gravitating quality to them, for me atleast.


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   Posted 1/26/2008 4:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I will say that it often works for my poetry, but I don't think I've really tried it with a story.


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agregious language deleted . . .

A well-rounded artist should be able to slip from one to any other POV with subtle shift. This can be done within a work as well as between works. A work (not spec) in progress by the very talented and genius poet Daniel E. Blackston I've been advising on does just this with almost seamless efficacy.

RHFay said...
I will say that it often works for my poetry, but I don't think I've really tried it with a story.

Overall, I would say that consistency is most important - but there are always factors that can override that. I like what i call "camera-eye" perspecive, which is a specialized 3rd-person demi-omniscient that rarely goes into the psychological internal aspects of narration except in terms of figurative photo-realism. If you've seen that wierd Jackman film with the Tree of Life thing, you know what I mean. (Can't believe I'm blanking on the name of that film . . .)
"Serpent and the Rainbow" used it to lesser effect.
I am enjoying the first-person of my current novel, but prefer the above-stated 'camera-eye' view. It actually comes from my penchant for photographic portraitism and my motion-picture imagination.



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   Posted 1/27/2008 12:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
One of several novels-in-the-drawer I've written started in 1st person present. Like others mentioned, I found it hard to maintain the present, kept going into past tense, and wound up converting the whole thing to past tense.

Straying a bit off topic, I had an epiphany reading one of J.A. Konrath's books. The chapters with his series' detective are in 1st person past, interspersed with chapters in 3rd person past from the POV of the killer du jour.

I'm sure other writers have used this technique; first time I had seen it. In my book above, it helped to break up the tedium of "I, I, I" and provide a different perspective regarding the events affecting the main character.


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   Posted 1/27/2008 1:02 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I tend to use either 1st person simple past or 3rd person simple past in most stories. (I voted for 1st person simple past, though.)

The story I just sold to AlienSkin is in 1st person present tense, however, because that was the only way I could avoid a logic mistake. Even so, present tense is rather unusual, and I've heard people say it takes some getting used to. I want to sell my stories and not challenge editors, so I tend to use the more familiar tenses and POVs.

Yet I bet there are cases when all conceivable options are useful. :-)


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   Posted 1/27/2008 3:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
crystalwizard said...

You go right ahead and do that. I'll be cheering for you all the way (and hiding under my desk)
It will, of course be a Sword & Sorcery story (all of you will then rush up the stairs, skewer the guards and open the treasure room door.  After that, the group will...), and, as soon as it's finished I'll send it to FS!  You will eventually have to emerge from under the desk to send me the rejection!
 
On a more serious note, and to avoid hijacking the thread, I tend to agree that present tense sometimes makes for awkward reading.  It is very difficult to do right, and to do consistently.


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   Posted 1/28/2008 6:00 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've written stuff on all of those and others (I've used future tense on occasion: I've never used true second-person POV, though). Predominantly, I write past tense. I choose presetn only rarely and generally for particular purposes. For instance, I've done some retellings of Norse myth and I deliberately do those in present to give an immediacy that counters the "oh I'm reading stories from a thousand years ago" preconception.


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If you ever want a really horrific example of second-person past, check out Stuart O'Nan's "Prayer for the Dying". It's historical fiction, takes place during a cholera or diptheria epidemic in Wisconsin or Minnesota I think. Chilling and really darned uncomfortable to read. Good story, though.


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I agree with Gustavo: 1st or 3rd person past.>>

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I used 1st person in "Scales" because I wanted to emphasise the intensity of the experience of the main character. In "The Foresight War" I used the 3rd person because I needed the POV to keep switching from one character to another. It's horses for courses…>>

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One book I've read recently which plays around with POV is VanderMeer's Veniss Underground: 1st, 2nd and 3rd all in the same story. I posted a review on my blog. >>

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My least favourite to read is omniscient: I really hate it when the all-knowing narrator interposes comments like ""little did he know that this would prove a terrible mistake". I've stopped reading books at that point.>>

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I find omniscient good for humor. Wodehouse does it in some of his work (although with a much defter touch than the example you cite above), and Douglas Adams was a master (if a barking mad one) at this.


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I have used both first and third pov in writing.

I really like third person (mixed) past pov for SF because then everything/one has a chance to explain their actions/ideas/thoughts etc which so adds to the full spectum of the project's time and place.

Having said that, for quirky crime and humour I really like first person past pov because you are right in there up close and personal. Somehow it doesn't work for me (being the operative word - me) so well in SF as it's more difficult to get the accurate "feel" of that one individual in that very specific time zone *absolutely* right.

But...whatever you're happiest in will work best for you. Good luck!
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