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   Posted 12/11/2007 7:24 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I need something that is two-hundred proof. I also need a fairly generic name.
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   Posted 12/11/2007 7:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
95.6% ethanol and 4.4% water is an azeotrope, meaning that simple distillation can not concentrate the alcohol further, 191 proof spirits are essentially the maximum proof easily available for consumption.

Everclear is one.


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   Posted 12/11/2007 7:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MichaelEhart said...
95.6% ethanol and 4.4% water is an azeotrope, meaning that simple distillation can not concentrate the alcohol further, 191 proof spirits are essentially the maximum proof easily available for consumption.

Everclear is one.


191 proof is close enough. Think most readers, regardless of their location on this planet, would know what Everclear is? My dwarf is carrying this stuff.
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   Posted 12/11/2007 8:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I think most people would know everclear...especially if they'd been crazy teenagers at one time in their lives...

 

 
 
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   Posted 12/11/2007 8:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Okay, well maybe I'm not really on this planet then, but what is Everclear anyway?


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   Posted 12/11/2007 9:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

moonshine is often equated to everclear.

Strangely enough, everclear is not consistent depending on state law. I was shocked in '89 to learn that Iowa allows nothing over 151 proof, and so their everclear was 151. Illinois everclear is 180 proof. I use an invention of distilled mushrooms called Marlbrew in much of my fiction. It is essentially 100-180 proof with either fermaldahide or psillocyben to augment it as an hallucingen as well as an alcoholic beverage. Pure grain ETOH can go under any name you wish to give it. Dwarven spirits are as likely distilled from fungus as from fruit and/or grain. Though fungus as we know it does not ferment appropriately due to its high water and low sugar content. Moonshine is usually pure grain whiskey distilled multiple times. As is everclear. Also, distillation processes vary depending on charcoal, salt, copper, and other factors in the distillation process. Dwarves might be likely to use wormwood in distilled liquor such that they would have ultra-high proof forms of absynthe, which would give hallucagenic benefits like highgrade absinthes from the mountainous European regions. Depending on whether they add the wormwood before or after distillation, it would give it more a kick and more hallucinative qualities. Also, the water matters. Certain kinds of tequilla are more devastating because they use fermaldahyde as well as water in the process, and fermaldahyde is an hallucinegen as well.

According to urban legand, Jeagermeister was mixed with hart-blood to make it more potent. It was flavored with anise and, depending on local tradition, may or may not have contained wormwood (the herb responsible for the mild hallucinagenic qualities of absinthe). One of the factors in some of these is the dissociative effect of the combinations of ETOH and hallucinagenic herbs; sometimes the mix could encourage the savagery necessary for 'berserker' rages, and the subsequent downside of memory loss with the benefit of projection of guilt on an 'otherness' that came over them during 'battle rages' enhanced by ennebriation.

Is that any help?

BTW: 'whiskey' is from the welsh/scot/celtic tradition for the word 'water' as is the word 'vodka'. That's where we get the term 'firewater'.


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   Posted 12/11/2007 11:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I recall a buddy in the SCA who's watching another dude sipping some kind of Everclear that was brewed down in Deland. Anyway, my buddy is all tough and says, "Let me try that." He took one sip and yakked all over the place.

Ya gotta practice drinking 190.


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   Posted 12/12/2007 1:28 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
'Grain Alcohol' is a pretty generic name for ultra high proof spirits.


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   Posted 12/12/2007 1:43 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, all. The chapter that this is for is posted in my forum. It's the newest post, if anyone wants to read it.


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   Posted 12/12/2007 4:49 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I must admit that in four decades of drinking lots of different types of alcohol, I've never heard of Everclear.
 


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   Posted 12/12/2007 11:58 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Everclear can burn the skin off your lips. It's something you shoot or mix. It's more commonly used for mixing than anything else.

Takes a serious idiot to drink it straight. Too easy to OD and die of ETOH poisoning on Everclear - or B'cardi's 151 for that matter. In my estmation, anything over 101 proof is just an invitation to poisoning. And I know a little about it . . . In my younger days I was the kind of idiot that bolted everclear. That bottle of Iowa everclear was something someone had in a dorm room over at WIU, and I insulted it because of its 151 vs. 180, which of course led to a challenge. I bolted a third of the bottle in one pull and winked at them all. We spent twenty minutes shooting the bull to prove that it wouldn't knock me out, and then I went straight to the stairwell and walked about 90 flights of stairs (several trips from the 16th floor to the Mez and back) to clear my head. But . . . back in those days I drank about a liter of silver rum every day - more when there was actually something going on. If I wasn't sipping rum out of a brandy snifter (or in class, of course, being at college and all), I was usually bolting orange juice out of quart bottles - two to three a day.

If I tried that now . . . I'd last maybe an hour, tops. And that's just the rum. The everclear . . . I simply would not do it.

Strangely enough, I tend to expect a higher tolerance for the average person and am often quite surprised to find other drunk on what seems to me a moderate amount.

How many of us have "eaten the worm" in the Mexicali tradition?


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   Posted 12/12/2007 3:20 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Never heard of Everclear...


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   Posted 12/12/2007 3:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Must be a Yankee thing. It's kind of popular around here. Especially among the young, who like to spike the punch with it. Used to be that it was really popular in grape drinks - but I never could stand it that way.
I did once attempt a flaming shot of it. Poured it down my arm on the way to my mouth. That's when I realized I might be a bit tipsy. It was pretty cool to watch my arm glow blue, but the smell of burnt hair took the fun out of it. The guys staring at me like I was some kind of real stud for not screaming out - I said to them something like, "Now, kiddies, that's why you never wanna try that at home . . ."
Never since attempted a flaming shot. Closest I get is burning a sugarcube on an absinthe spoon. Ooooohh. Absinthe. That sounds really good.
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I must admit that in four decades of drinking lots of different types of alcohol, I've never heard of Everclear.
 

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Never heard of Everclear...


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   Posted 12/12/2007 3:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As this stuff the dwarves are carrying is both flammable and likely to scald your mouth, I'd call it something like Dragon gin maybe. Of course, I think I had a brewer/distiller character in a recent AD&D campaign that brewed this stuff called Dragonpiss that went over very well with his clients - most of whom were either inn owners or members of the theives guild.
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I need something that is two-hundred proof. I also need a fairly generic name.


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   Posted 12/12/2007 4:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Everclear is an American invention, borne of the same impulse that makes them put rocket engines on cars and guns on cargo planes, but is available in Canada where it is used to kill freshman engineering students.

If your dwarves are low-class, it might be "swish": water that's been soaked inside an already-used distilling barrel.
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Yeah. We love our nitrous oxide, too. In or out of the rocket-car! And both the nitrous and the Everclear are great for 'cleaning your engine' in both cases. Everclear is basically E85 without the petroleum content. I've seen it used as a fuel additive as well as to clean tar from automotive parts - used to have a friend that said it was the best thing to use for cleaning carbs, sparkplugs, and distributor caps because it left no residue like gasoline does. He seemed pretty serious about it, but it was kind of hard to tell with him. I know he'd only drink the stuff on a dare, though. He was a pretty loyal Evan Williams guy all the way up to the night he died . . .
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Everclear is an American invention, borne of the same impulse that makes them put rocket engines on cars and guns on cargo planes, but is available in Canada where it is used to kill freshman engineering students.

If your dwarves are low-class, it might be "swish": water that's been soaked inside an already-used distilling barrel.


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   Posted 12/12/2007 5:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Evan Williams is an old friend of mine, but not quite so dear as my old buddy George Dickel.... but I am especially fond of Maker's Mark, when I can afford it.


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   Posted 12/12/2007 5:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I haven't seen a bottle of George Dickel in about twenty years. It's one of the few Kentucky bourbons that caught with me. Never had Maker's Mark. Old Crow is pretty darn good . . . for cooking with.
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Evan Williams is an old friend of mine, but not quite so dear as my old buddy George Dickel.... but I am especially fond of Maker's Mark, when I can afford it.


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   Posted 12/12/2007 6:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Everclear can do strange things.

I had a friend who shot a capful of it, and broke out with bright splotches on his face.


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I've seen folks do the same from a strong martini - gin or vodka (if you'll condescend to call a vodka drink a martini . . .) ETOH is, after all, a mild poison. That's why it makes us feel funny. But some poisons are beneficial in low doses: arsenic, ETOH, salacilic acid, LSD, caffeine, nicotine, etc.

Chemistry is what makes life (biologically speaking) . . . and what makes it fun!

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Everclear can do strange things.

I had a friend who shot a capful of it, and broke out with bright splotches on his face.


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You drank a third of a bottle of Everclear and then walked on the stairs to clear your head? You're lucky you didn't fall and brake your fool neck!


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I must admit to one timedoing shots of Whisky after I finished an internship with the guys I shared a dorm with. Immediately afterward we went to some kind of party at Chucky Cheese (I don't know why we went there.) with some professors. I was so drunk...dear Lord. I was rambly and crazy, impressed I could cross the street, asking people to whisper because I thought they were shouting. After some pizza and about 2 hours, I started getting sane. Thank goodness I never saw those professors I went with again!


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Lots of practice. And a firm grip on the handrails. And a stoned friend to watch and laugh when I stumbled - mostly on the landings between flights as the level ground confused me. I once bolted a fifth of whiskey in three pulls and then walked home. It took me six hours to walk a mile - because I could only turn right and had to take a circular route that led completely around town in a spiral till I made it home and crashed at the back door. After that, I realized and compensated so that I wouldn't lean right so much when drunk. I've been known to drink a liter of vodka on more than one occasion. Three cases of beer one night (self-medicating for a herniated disc in my back - 4 June 1993). A friend and I a few years back went through six bottles of wine one night - and about three pounds of cheese. One of the stoutest wines I ever had though was two carafes of that crap they served during Capital Con in St. Louis, key speaker was Clive Barker commenting on Ecto-boy or some comic he was releasing that year. He said it was easy to write about the ectosphere; if you'd had more than a glass of the wine they were serving, then you were already halfway there anyway . . . I accused my tablemate of pouring lamp oil into it, it was that stout.
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You drank a third of a bottle of Everclear and then walked on the stairs to clear your head? You're lucky you didn't fall and brake your fool neck!


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Three cases of beer one night (self-medicating for a herniated disc in my back - 4 June 1993).

At 12 ounces a beer, and 24 beers a case, that's 864 fluid ounces of beer, or about six and three-quarter gallons. That comes out to fifty-four pounds of beer.
Maybe you have a career in competitive eating?
 

 


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It was a twelve-hour marathon. I didn't do much chugging. Just drinking. It was hot, and I was working through the first case (clearing sandbags, which is how I slipped a disc). Then we went to a graduation party for a friend. Thankfully, it was outside . . . I ambled over quite often to the shadows behind an evergreen . . . wee wee wee . . .

I can't eat that much. I can drink a lot because I have a) the bladder retention of a four-year-old; b) I have 25 years of practice from varsity to Olympic level; c) genetic predisposition for tolerance [remarkably, without addiction]; d) I'm constantly thirsty.

Having said that, I would like to state that I no longer go on ridiculous binges and never recommend it for anyone who cares to live a normal life. And I strongly recommend against beer bongs! Also, I insist on either drinking at home or having a designated driver - not to be PC, but to be responsible. AND I honestly think the legal drinking age should be changed: 23 for women and 25 for men. This I base on a bit of research I've done on the phisiological harm alcohol can do and the fact that the human brain is not fully formed, physically, until those ages. Heavy drinking or binge drinking can seriously damage any brain, but it can seriously destroy the quality of life for anyone underage. [And, yes, this is an opinion greatly changed over time due to further education on the matter; I previously was of the opinion that 17 or 18 should be the legal drinking age because you can join the armed forces and die for your country at that age, so you may as well be able to drink. But then, I think induction age should be moved up . . .]

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Hermit said...
Three cases of beer one night (self-medicating for a herniated disc in my back - 4 June 1993).

At 12 ounces a beer, and 24 beers a case, that's 864 fluid ounces of beer, or about six and three-quarter gallons. That comes out to fifty-four pounds of beer.
Maybe you have a career in compe