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Rob Mancebo
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   Posted 11/6/2007 9:38 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
RHFay said...Uh oh, another potential sword collector.
Be warned, it's a very addictive hobby.  Like crisps (potato chips on this, the wrong side of the pond), you can never have just one.  And there's always something better out there.  Low-end production models may lead to high-end production models, which may lead to custom commisions.
By the way, myarmoury.com may be another source of information about bronze weapons:
You might find something useful there if you peruse their site. 
-  Ah yes,  If I buy any more swords I'll have to talk my wife into letting me use one of the bedrooms for my office (Mine's only 5X7). 
 
-  My armory.com is a great resource but I haven't seen them review any bronze swords.  I think we're all too afraid to damage them to risk cutting things with them.  They really did though, so I guess we're all just products of the steel age and don't trust things that were commonplace way-back-when. 
 
-  Anyway.  There's no such thing as too many swords, just too little room to display them.
 


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   Posted 11/6/2007 11:52 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hearthweru said...
Cheers Rob bronze-age-craft is shaping up to be a useful (and interesting) resource. Only problem is I now want to blow £300 on a sword!

Uh oh, another potential sword collector.
Be warned, it's a very addictive hobby.  Like crisps (potato chips on this, the wrong side of the pond), you can never have just one.  And there's always something better out there.  Low-end production models may lead to high-end production models, which may lead to custom commisions.
By the way, myarmoury.com may be another source of information about bronze weapons:
You might find something useful there if you peruse their site. 


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   Posted 11/5/2007 7:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Cheers Rob bronze-age-craft is shaping up to be a useful (and interesting) resource. Only problem is I now want to blow £300 on a sword!


 

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   Posted 11/5/2007 10:58 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

The best one I could find with a quick search was already given by Mike: 

http://www.bronze-age-craft.com/>>

In recent television programme for the BBC, one of my bronze swords was repeatedly stuck against a reproduction of an early iron sword, in a test to show the advantages of iron over bronze. Even though both myself and Hector Cole (the iron sword maker) had advised the programme makers the that the bronze sword would do better than expected, they were very surprised. The bronze sword was more than a match for the iron, both blades received heavy damage. The ability of bronze to rapidly work harden under impact, and the lack of carbon in early iron swords must have created a bit of a technological stand off around 700bc. At this time the art of the bronze caster was at its height and iron working was in its infancy. 

 

It should give you enough info to seem like you know what you're talking about. 

 

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   Posted 11/4/2007 10:34 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey thanks a lot guys.
 
Bill's basics on wax/clay casting is just the starting point I wanted, ta for the book recomendation too I'll check it out. Micheal's 'afterword' gives a very good insight into how the finished weapon feels/is used (especially useful is the archeological evidence on wound locations). Thanks for the links too will check them out.
 
Great stuff, cheers.


 

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   Posted 11/4/2007 9:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This would be my department, I think :)

Some online sources:

http://www.bronze-age-craft.com/swordcasting.htm

http://forums.swordforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12

From the afterword of my book, The Servant of the Manthycore:

"Bronze is very hard, but very brittle. Swords were much shorter than later weapons made of iron. This size limit and the fragility of the weapons made for a completely different style of combat. Sword-to-sword contact was likely to result in a broken weapon, and shields were made with large metal bosses in the center and a hard rim just for that reason. Attacks were made over the shield or under. Excavations of Bronze Age battle sites reveal skeletons with bronze fragments in shoulder, collar and hip bones, which meant even winning could result in a broken weapon.

Try holding a bronze sword, if you get the opportunity. Any good sword feels like it is almost alive, but while a steel sword feels quick and lively, a bronze sword feels more solid, almost sullen, a bull mastiff to the iron blade’s greyhound. A friend of mine compared a bronze sword he once held to a “lethal cricket-bat”. The one I own feels heavy, and very businesslike. Fighting with a weapon like that was nothing like modern fencing; it was quick, brutal and ugly."

Hope this helps!


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   Posted 11/4/2007 9:07 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A real shame about Hank, I dabble in sword collecting and he was a great spokesman.

Heathweru, there's an old time life book called 'the metal smiths' that is a good basic book, you may see it on ebay for a song.

The very basics on bronze age weaponry that I recall is that bronze is an alloy of copper and tin (and often arsenic and a few other trace elements) made from smelting -- basically melting them together is a very hot 'oven.'. bronze items are cast in sand or clay molds (delicate objects sometimes with something called the 'lost wax' method, in which a wax model of the time is made and packed in sand or clay, then heated to harden the mold and melt the wax, then the bronze is poured in and flows into the shape of the item--the mold is destroyed to remove the cast time). The weapons would then be polished and sharpened.


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   Posted 11/4/2007 8:59 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the link Pamela, much appreciated will check it out.
 
Cheers,
 
Hearthweru
 
 


 

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   Posted 11/4/2007 8:38 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
An interesting topic for this weekend. Yesterday, Hank Reinhardt was laid to rest not far from here. He was an expert in blade weapons and armor, having published articles on the subject; he also had done some videos on using such weapons. I learned about his legacy via the Atlanta Science Fiction Society.

He had a website, but it looks like a work in progress. The links might help you, however.

Here it is
http://www.hankreinhardt.com/hank/index.php

Good luck,

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   Posted 11/4/2007 8:16 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi can anyone help?
 
I'm looking for a starting point for research into Bronze age metallurgy, especially in relation to arms and armour/ casting techniques/methods and history. Prefarbly a book or website where I can find a good overview in simple layman's terms, but anything would be helpful.
 
Cheers,
 
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