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   Posted 10/31/2007 11:46 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm working with the concept of chakra crafting in my novel.
What stones are acceptable/recommended for each chakra?


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   Posted 10/31/2007 1:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hermit said...
I'm working with the concept of chakra crafting in my novel.
What stones are acceptable/recommended for each chakra?
-  I believe that stone association is a New Age concept rather than a historical one.  So then you can either grab any literature from a New Age bookstore or make it up (someone else just did). 
 
-  Please extrapolate what you mean by Chakra crafting?  The Chakras are energy points within the body.  You can manipulate their size and output, but you don't 'craft' them.  It would be somewhat akin to 'finger-crafting' or 'navel-sculpture'. 
 
Chakras run:
 
Red-  Base of the spine.  Raw power/sexual energy.
Orange- 2" below the navel.  Higher sexual energy.
Yellow- Below the ribs.  Primitive emotion.
Green(sometimes Pink)- Heart.  Higher emotion. (A very nice person will have an open heart chakra). 
Blue- Base of throate.  Communication. 
Indigo- center of forehead.  Third eye.  Mystical vision.
Violet(sometimes white)- Divine communication.
 
If you can be more specific about what you're planning I can be more specific about their uses and manipulation.
 
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   Posted 10/31/2007 2:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I beleive Ayurvedic medicine uses precious stones in their practices. Perhaps I am confused. The stones are associated with organ systems, and organ systems with chakras.

As far as chakramancy, it is a system of esoterics extrapolated from chakra theory as taken over a number of ancient traditions (it's pure fantasy, by the way). It is not manipulation of the chakras, but via the shakras. All is focused through the ninth chakra, with the exception of those few who practice brimstone chakramancy, which uses the eighth chakra as its lens. The eighth chakra is sub-basal but associated with the bile ducts. The ninth chakra is supra-crownal and and related to the parapineal gland, aka the Heaven-eye. Scholars and practicioners hotly debate whether the ninth chakra is of purest white, full-spectrum, or, in the case of a few misled eccentrics, beige.


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   Posted 10/31/2007 3:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hermit said...

I beleive Ayurvedic medicine uses precious stones in their practices. Perhaps I am confused. The stones are associated with organ systems, and organ systems with chakras. 

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-  I hadn't heard that bit it's possible.  I've always heard Ayurvedic medicine dealt with pulse and herb-lore.  I have not studied it though(someday when I have the time.)  Chakras are cross-cultural and carved figures with colored stones set into the chakra points have even been found in ancient Native American cultures.

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As far as chakramancy, it is a system of esoterics extrapolated from chakra theory as taken over a number of ancient traditions (it's pure fantasy, by the way). It is not manipulation of the chakras, but via the shakras. All is focused through the ninth chakra, with the exception of those few who practice brimstone chakramancy, which uses the eighth chakra as its lens. 

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-  Whoa!  So if this is all fantasy--and solidly established . . . Why are you asking for input from actual esoteric traditions? confused     I'm getting more and more confused as to what you want to know. 

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The eighth chakra is sub-basal but associated with the bile ducts. The ninth chakra is supra-crownal and and related to the parapineal gland, aka the Heaven-eye. Scholars and practicioners hotly debate whether the ninth chakra is of purest white, full-spectrum, or, in the case of a few misled eccentrics, beige.

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-  All locations are argueable through different traditions but most are similar.  For instance, the Japanese consider the top three as a single chakra but at different levels.  There are also many other lesser chakras throughout the body listed in the traditions of India.  These are used but manipulation of the 7 major chakras seems to control the effect of the lesser so they are generally ignored. 

 

In none of the numerous traditions I've researched have I heard of a sub-basal chakra. Nor have I heard of it from Priests, Yoga Masters, Witches, or New-Agers.   Doesn't mean someone doesn't think it exists, but I've never heard of it by anyone who utilizes chakras in their art/science/religion.   

The supra-crownal chakra is a debatable subject amongst esoteric scholors.  It is commonly called the 'Soul-Star' in the west and is bright white.   I can describe it's effects if you want reality.  If you wish to invent effects for a fantasy story, you can write whatever you want.

Mirky colors indicate tempering.  The aura of both Saints and Maniacs is brillient white. 



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   Posted 10/31/2007 4:49 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The aura of both Saints and Maniacs is brillient white.

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Fascinating.


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I can describe it's effects if you want reality

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I'd love to hear more.


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   Posted 11/1/2007 12:33 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Daniel said...
The aura of both Saints and Maniacs is brillient white.

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Fascinating.
-  For a first-hand description of bio-electric enlightenment(Kundalini), the effects(sometimes odd), the dangers(numerous), you might want to pick up a copy of "Path Notes of an American Ninja Master"  By DR Glenn Morris.   (Also included are some tips of how to keep from ending up in a nut house when pursuing Enlightenment.)
 
-  Sadly, he died last year.  I was hoping to study under him rather than just field him questions on-line. 
 
 


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   Posted 11/1/2007 1:21 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Daniel said...
I can describe it's effects if you want reality
I'd love to hear more.

-  At the time I was doing Chi Kung exercises daily and meditating 15-30 minutes at least three times a day.  I was moving a lot of energy through my chakras.  I came out of a meditation cycle and happened to meet a powerful, New Age psychic.  It was like having a hundred watt lightbulb floating over my head.  Light you could feel, not just see.  It moved when I moved.  I don't know how much of the energy she was feeling but it made for an instant synchronization of communication.  Very relaxed but not--normal.  Heightened senses like they talk about on a drug trip (Sorry, I can't compare.  Never used drugs myself.) 

> >

-  It makes your body feel like it's lit up like a Christmas tree.  Big energy rush.  More or less a 'blissful state'. 

> >

-  Never sought out the experience again.  It's one of those things that's very cool but doesn't further your knowledge so there's no real reason to work toward it.  I've never heard any use for the phenomena, and as I said, there are even adepts who argue that there is no chakra above your crown.  My experience leads me to believe that there is.  But then each individual experience in metaphysics may vary.  That's why it's still something of an esoteric wilderness.  It's still beyond science.   

 

 

 


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   Posted 11/1/2007 10:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I used to do a lot of meditation as well. Back in my twenties, I was into some really deep auto-hypnosis. I used it for a lot of years to control my asthma.

But intellect really does get in the way of meditation practice. Meditation got me to a different plane, as it were (this is figurative of course), and I had a series of out-of-body experiences. The first couple times it happened, I got excited about it and dropped out of 'center'; i.e., dropped out of my trance. About a week later I was doing some work with it and it occured to my mind that what I was doing was dangerous: what happens if someone else comes along and inhabits my body? What if I can't find my way back? The shock of those intellectual thoughts ruined me for meditation for a decade.

By the next allergy season, I was back on full-time meds to control my asthma and allergies.

I recently began my own version of Zen practice learned from book-learning, experimentation, and intuition. Into that, I've been incorporating chakra manipulation and regulation to manage my health - mental, emotional, and physical. I'm very, very interested in Ayurveda, but it's hard to find good writing on the subject through all the frufru New Age crap and the sludging 19th century authorities written in colonial English.

My theories of the eighth and ninth chakras are fabrications. However, that is not to say that I believe them to be fiction. Merely speculation based on esoteric and scholarly research. It's a pluralist approach to holism in a way. The eighth chakra is based on the concept of 'willful wrong action', aka EVIL, as a force that has both internal and external influences. The ninth chakra falls somewhere into the Universal Mind intersecting Bhoddisatva as I misunderstood the concept (based on misinformation from a New Age source).

Being who I am . . . finding a master/mentor is not an option. Sometimes a wistful longing, but never an option. My respect for those with the commitment and self-discipline to study under Masters, and moreso for those who have followed the path to that title.


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<But intellect really does get in the way of meditation practice. Meditation got me to a different plane, as it were (this is figurative of course), and I had a series of out-of-body experiences. The first couple times it happened, I got excited about it and dropped out of 'center'; i.e., dropped out of my trance. About a week later I was doing some work with it and it occured to my mind that what I was doing was dangerous: what happens if someone else comes along and inhabits my body? What if I can't find my way back? The shock of those intellectual thoughts ruined me for meditation for a decade.>  >>

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-  Often when weird things begin to happen folks get scared away from metaphysics.  It's kind of scary to find out that the known limitations of the world are only in our minds.  But then, physics expands the boundaries of the world every day so it really shouldn't surprise us.  Biblically people can read that Jesus and his disciples healed with a touch, but when they run into a Rei Ki healer they can be totally freaked out.  >>

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<I recently began my own version of Zen practice learned from book-learning, experimentation, and intuition. Into that, I've been incorporating chakra manipulation and regulation to manage my health - mental, emotional, and physical. I'm very, very interested in Ayurveda, but it's hard to find good writing on the subject through all the frufru New Age crap and the sludging 19th century authorities written in colonial English.>  >>

-  Try Deepek Chopora's books.  He's a lace>USlace> surgeon, the son of a Surgeon, but the grandson of an Ayurveddic healer.  He reached a point in surgery when he felt the West relied too much on cutting out the problems rather than dealing with them so he's been trying to integrate Eastern/Western medicine for decades.>>

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<My theories of the eighth and ninth chakras are fabrications. However, that is not to say that I believe them to be fiction. Merely speculation based on esoteric and scholarly research. It's a pluralist approach to holism in a way. The eighth chakra is based on the concept of 'willful wrong action', aka EVIL, as a force that has both internal and external influences. The ninth chakra falls somewhere into the Universal Mind intersecting Bhoddisatva as I misunderstood the concept (based on misinformation from a New Age source).>  >>

-  Nothing wrong with theories.  Science lives on them.  They are only a proposed question until proven.>>

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<Being who I am . . . finding a master/mentor is not an option. Sometimes a wistful longing, but never an option. My respect for those with the commitment and self-discipline to study under Masters, and moreso for those who have followed the path to that title.>  >>

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-  'When the student is ready, the master will appear.'  That doesn't mean you'll find someone to follow around.  Yet the way will be marked by others.   Buy, beg, or borrow a copy of 'Path Notes' if you don't want to flail blindly in the dark for years.  >>

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Good hunting, Rob.  >>


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- Never sought out the experience again. It's one of those things that's very cool but doesn't further your knowledge so there's no real reason to work toward it. I've never heard any use for the phenomena, and as I said, there are even adepts who argue that there is no chakra above your crown. My experience leads me to believe that there is. But then each individual experience in metaphysics may vary. That's why it's still something of an esoteric wilderness. It's still beyond science.

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This gets more interesting with every passing turn! Thanks for the post.

I think the experiences of psycho-spirtual phenomena have long-lasting impact. Seriously. You may have a big "jolt" which seems to have no direct "purpose" and then, even years later, the "jolt" turns out to be some undercurrent pulsing steadily through all that you've done! Autonomically, as it were.

Your experience sounds imporatant and profound to me.Why have such intense moment if not? But the "moment" is meant to be learned and appreciated over a lifetime. You're right that there's no reason to seek it again: it is already done and will keep being done.

I've had plenty of experiences like this. Even just with nature: you see a fox or a deer and then many years later that image has somehow proven nourishing. I saw things in nature and in dreams wayyyy back when that are more instructive and nourishing to me than the whole of secondary education as I unfortunately experienced it in public school.


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Thanks Rob. I have a number of Chopra's books and tapes. His reading of the Rig Veda is quite a trip to fall asleep to. Takes me back to my experiments with lucid dreaming . . . Very useful skill, but quite a chalenge to practice in a life full of family and career. Alas!
I did not realize his qualifications. Impressive. Western medicine is savage at times in comparrison with Chinese chi-based practices and Ayurveda. I saw a movie on the latter a year or two ago on either the History or one of the Discovery channels. Fascinating.
I'm currently heavy into tropeomancy lol and tropeopathy (heavy in azure, indigo, and violet energies channeled through the throat chakra). And always interested in the older esoterics.


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When I do chakra work these are the stones and colors I use:

First Chakra (base or root)...Color: Red / Crystal: Tiger's Eye

Second Chakra (sacral)...Color: Orange / Crystal: Carnelian

Third Chakra (solar plexis)...Color: Yellow / Crystal: Yellow calcite

Fourth Chakra (heart)...Color: Pink / Crystal: Rose quartz

Fifth Chakra (throat)...Color: Blue / Crystal: Sodalite

Sixth Chakra (Third Eye)...Color: Violet / Crystal: Amethyst

Seventh Chakra (crown)...Color: White / Crystal: Clear Quartz

Because I am an Empath the color of my aura tends to be pink, which makes sense because my life is dominated and dedicated to the heart chakra.  When I cast a circle of protection every morning, it is pink.  And pink is also my favorite color (no surprise there! *grin*). 

I am also psychic, so I use my Third Eye almost every day.  No surprise purple is my second favorite color.  :-)


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