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|  anna Neophyte

       Date Joined Apr 2007 Total Posts : 169 | Posted 10/16/2007 9:11 AM (GMT -5) |   | How many of you hold memberships in organizations that require a certain level of success to join ? For instance, HWA and other similar groups ?
Is it worth the cost of membership fees to be able to list that in your cover letter?
If you meet the qualifications but choose not to join, would you share why ? | | Back to Top | | |
 |  nathan Sage

       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 2178 | Posted 10/16/2007 12:20 PM (GMT -5) |   | |
I was a member of HWA for a year. Or an associate--whatever a tier two member is. About the time I could move into the ranks of whatever tier one was called (where you can vote on the Stoker Award and such things) I let my membership laps.
Like anything else involving, oh, people--there's good and bad. I'll share my views but keep in mind they're at least 2 years old by now. My impression is that the institutional character wasn't that nimble so my observations (if we share any character traits) prob still hold true to whatever degree.
I learned a lot. A lot. I learned what to really expect from, say, a papberback original deal. I was much more ear-to-the-ground on the industry when I was a member. I began to get realistic expectations about writing, about rejection, about name editors, and about the business. You can get this info if you don't already have it at other places, but it'll be tied up in a bow for you there and this is valuable.
That's about it.
It is a place in divide between those that want to be an advocacy group for established and successful writers and those that want to be a nuturing org for newbies. As a newbie I was like "yeah nuture me" but the truth was I could clearly see how the needs of mid-to-upper-list authors were dramatically different. I also saw how dumb asses with an ebook would talk to authors getting advances in the 10's of thousands as if they were all equals: offering opininons on career moves and contracts and what "literature" was. That's part of the reason the Giants no longer walk those boards. There are no Dean Koontzs or Stephen Kings like in the bad old days. It also causes some heated debate.
There are Ellen Datlows and Doug Winters and Bob Greenburgs and some very experience, canny, cagey, professionals. These are also the ones knee deep in the concept of "don't sell for less than 5-cents aword or you're ****ing us all."
There is a hierarchy. There's also access to people who can help you decipher a contract and THATs very cool. But no agents cruise those boards looking for talent. No one on the Ave of Americas is particularly wowed by membership in that org. A single 3-cent sale to a pub with an iota of name recognition means more. But the lowest advance given to a mmpb prob means more than a string of sales to "high" profile short places when it comes to getting an agent or negotiating another b-deal.
There are some caustic personalities on the chat boards. Ironically they are often some of the most astute pros about the busisness side of it--so there you go. The "e-publishing is the next wave" crowd bickers with "it aint shit if it aint on paper" crowd. The commercial hacks making good money draw the ire of much acclaimed but underpaid literary artists.
In my heart of hearts I would say that [with one single caveat] membership in the SFWA is better. It has all the same problems. It does have more name recognition authors chatting up the board. It does have a better rep in general as an org. The caveat to this being if you are a HORROR writer/lover/fan/afficenado. If, ya, you write horror but you want to write other spec fic as well then go SFWA. If you are all horror or its incesteous subgeneres all the time then HWA becomes a much cooler place.
For the price of a year's membership in either one I guarentee in so much as I can, that you will get your money back in business knowledge. You may make some friends, you may love it. I doubt it'll make you a better writer. But it will sharpen those skills-other-than-writing that are neccessary for success.
IMO
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   |  David de Beer Neophyte

       Date Joined Mar 2007 Total Posts : 158 | Posted 10/17/2007 4:30 AM (GMT -5) |   | Is it worth the cost of membership fees to be able to list that in your cover letter?
don't make that your driving reason for wanting to join. There are writers building successful careers, and very well respected, who are not members of the HWA or SFWA - Cory Doctorow and Jeff Vandermeer, being two.
credentials are a dicey thing. Many editors in short fiction (including the top paying markets) hardly read them, or only glance at them when they're bored or otherwise. Some do, some don't. It's probably not going to make a difference to your sale. Them knowing your name might, credentials on your cover letter - whether sales, org member or Clarion graduate - there are probably markets where this carries weight but not as a general rule from what I've found.
The same with pitching novels to agents or publishers.
Some few might be overly impressed, most probably not.
As to the worth of joining - this is something that's currently debated a lot on various blogs, with a very mixed response. Some fanatical supporters (both existing and non-members), some lukewarm, some severely anti, and a lot of people not happy but determined to try and fix it from within.
Can either organization provide you with anything that you cannot get anywhere else?
nnnot really.
The same info is everywhere. They can give it to you faster, more organized. Help sort problems and stuff quicker, but are just prone to spreading dangerous assumptions and false facts. The organizations are driven by people.
HWA & SFWA are probably better and faster than trying to learn and do everything on your own; but still slower and less valuable than making contact with and getting help from a few veterans.
And there are pros who are very helpful to everyone. They blog, in public, they do frequent some message boards, and when needed respond to email questions.
I've heard the HWA is more sane than the current SFWA, which is scary.
Bottom line - it's not needed, it's not a necessity. But as for everything else, individual experience differs, and you may need to make this decision on your own. www.livejournal.com/users/david-de-beer
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      |  cussedness Adept

       Date Joined Apr 2005 Total Posts : 857 | Posted 11/6/2007 12:04 PM (GMT -5) |   | There are good and bad things. I was an active member of SFWA from 1980 to this year when I finally dropped out of it.
As I have not had anything in a major print publication in ten years, I felt that it did not have much to offer me. If i were to start selling again to major print, then I would probably rejoin. I quit after the latest whoopsy.
Since these days I'm relegated to the ranks of ebooks, I can't see shelling out money for memberships.
I think that the complaints that Nathan mentioned between the print and ebook folks over at HWA are a bit much to take. I was an active at HWA off and on since 03. Ebooks have their own organization. Janrae Frank I have no skeletons in my closet, they are all hanging from the yardarm.
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