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|  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 987 | Posted 7/16/2007 7:47 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said...
All good advice, I think.
I may disagree that there are things which can actually damage a person's soul, but I'll admit they can scare the carap out of you and change your life; come crashing down all over the things you had invested with vanity and personal power, sometimes including magick itself!!!!
I do dispute that anything in magickal practice that "hurts" the aspirant is aimed at anything other than vanity-based consciousness and ego, however; I don't think the human soul is so fragile that merely dipping into it will cause any kind of damage to the soul. The ego? Well, it will change, irrefutably, but that is the whole idea! - 'I don't think the human soul is so fragile that merely dipping into it will cause any kind of damage to the soul.'
- I agree. The danger is not any demons without, but the demons within(ego/fear) and yet these can be a real detriment if not correctly handled.
- Without the support of a group or a teacher, a beginner is liable to hear something go 'bump in the night' or face down some inner demon and run from anything magickal ever after. Very counter-productive.
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 |  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 987 | Posted 7/16/2007 7:35 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said...
LOL
I disagree: the Universe is your oyster!!!! Magick is part of cosmic joy and it is only a very recent idea in "modern" civilization that someone should try to make their life-walk *without* magick.
For gazillions of years, magick was rightly considered the *most* important aspect of someone's personal orientation and interaction with the Universe. Yes, there are "scary" things out there, but the only things they can hurt are your vanity and your will to power.
I don't think aspirant magicians need teachers, necessarily. I think teachers could be a very bad thing in magick because the idea of organization and hierarchy always allow for the intrusion of vanity and "earthly" awareness.
The BEST teacher will be your magickal guide, as I tried to sketch out upstream. Calling on the Guide may also produce synchronous meeting: meaning you may meet an actual, physical teacher to compliment your psychic guide. But even without a physical teacher, you can learn everything you need to know about magick purely from your own consciousness and soul.
- I'll try and address these bits individually (Hoping I don't make an indecipherable hash:
a) 'the Universe is your oyster'
- This is the most important part of what folks call 'magick'. Understanding the vast, infanite puzzle that is the Universe. Dark and light, positive and negative. To "see with the mind and eyes of God".
- However, too much too fast can terrify dabblers and just scare them away from their goal. This is why I suggest a teacher. About the time people are presented with proof that imagination can become reality it can just scare the bejeebers out of them. A guiding force, one who has been there before, can be a tremendous.
- An example is, someone suddenly 'speaking in tongues' in a church. Although its Biblical, someone exhibiting something esoteric like that can break up a church very quickly. It's just too much for many folks.
b)'Yes, there are "scary" things out there, but the only things they can hurt are your vanity and your will to power.'
- I'm not talking about the boogy man here. I'm talking about things that can scare people off the path or scare them into making fearful choices (a bad idea). In this there is a very real danger. Not of physical monsters, but of folks jumping off a (metaphorical)cliff for fear of monsters.
- c)'I don't think aspirant magicians need teachers . . . the idea of organization and hierarchy always allow for the intrusion of vanity and "earthly" awareness.'
- Now I disagree with the first. 'You can see farther when standing upon the shoulders of giants.' There's no sense in re-inventing the wheel every generation. You can learn a lot from those who've walked the path before.
- As for the second, sadly, I must agree. The sort of people who want to be in charge of things are exactly the sort who shouldn't be given the position. A teacher would normally be a 'Sensei' not a 'Master'. Not a know-it-all, but a fellow travler who is walking on ahead.
d) 'But even without a physical teacher, you can learn everything you need to know about magick purely from your own consciousness and soul.'
- 'If all the Shamans were dead, the old ones would teach new ones'.
- We all have our own path to follow. When the student is ready, the teacher will appear. We will all have many teachers throughout our lives. As we learn their lessons, we will move onto others. Pastors, Priests, friends, Guides, whispers,there will be all sorts of information available. Our choices of what to follow determin the speed and direction of our journey.
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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 7/16/2007 2:20 PM (GMT -5) |   | As I have been trying to establish in another thread, writing fiction also follows the same mystical paradigm as magickal practice.
I'm going to try to invert the other thread now and quickly demonstrate how writing can be seen, just as ritual magick, as a form of mystical initiation.
1) The Call
In magick, the Call is usually based upon a fascination with magick, with the possibilities of magickal power, with ritual implements, with spellwork and with the idea of one's self as a spiritual, Holy, or intelligent and energetic person. One begins to study magick and look into the potentialities of a magickal orientation to the world, usually with the view toward the gaining of personal knowledge and power.
2) The Work
One learns by difficult trial and error the intricacies of spellwork and meditation; one reads magickal treatises, fashions ritual implements and through a process of alternating joy and disappointment begins to make progress with magickal practices.
3) The Philosopher's Stone
One attains magickal transcendance, puts away their ritual implements and spellbooks, divests themselves of vanity, and begins to produce true magick: which is the revelation of Divine Wisdom and Power.
For writers:
1) Becoming a Writer
Usually a new writer is motivated by some form of ego-ambition: the love of money or fame or both. Or they simply priode themselves on being "talented" at telling stories or they really like the image/fantasy of themselves as an author or they just can't stand for all their precious words and vsions to not be read by others. The ambition to become a writer is almost always rooted in vanity.
2) Learning the Craft
During this time the writer begins the difficult and intricate study of narrative and writing style as well as the study of markets and marketing of writing. All of these elements contribute to a shattering of the original ego-dream of being a writer and they are obstructions to the ego-ambition which result in a re-dedication to craft and imagination, which, obviously draw the writer away from their "everday" consciousness as they grapple with the higher forms of consciousness necessary for the composition of outstanding fiction.
3) Gaining a Readership
If a writer sticks through stage 2 long enough and they are vaulted up out of their original ego-based ambitions for s sustained enough period of time (or times) then they are likely to produce work that others will be interested in reading. This of course, completes the destruction of the original ego-based ambition completely because 1) audiences by and large don't remember or care who wrote a book 2) even when they do (rarely) the author they envision is much a myth or character as the works themselves and any insistence upon the reality of the living breathing person (not persona) will dampen sales and disappoint readers.
Both magick and creative pursuits can be viewed as Divine Calls to a transcendant mode of consciousness, one which places the interconnectedness of humanity and the eternality of archetypal energies ABOVE the ego-based ambitions and desires which usually give rise to the original pursuits.
In each case, whether the longed-for "3rd" satge is attained or not, the aspirant writer or magician has been called into action: ritual or the writing of fiction, which draws them AWAY from their everyday ego-based consciousness for extended periods of time. I think that is the whole point of writing and magick and why the ego-contamination writers suffer is just as damaging to their pursuits as it is for magicians.
The God-Source issues the call first through the ego-ambition of the individual (how else can it get your attention!) -- or more clearly it is "calling" at all levels at all times. In fact, the God-Source gives each of us "gifts" which we call "talents" and these we usually look to co-op first only slowly realizing that they are in fact, meant to redirect the universal energies toward the revelation of Divine Will. Talent=Geas.
Ego-based consciousness, for our intents and purposes, can be seen as the "we" which apprehends the Divine Call through dreams and ambitions.
"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."
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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 7/16/2007 1:34 PM (GMT -5) |   | ) I'm afraid that I'll have to completely disagree with you here. "Any application of individual will, be that writing a great novel or just baiting a fish hook, consists in some ways of ritualized concentration and that is all we are talking about here." - My disagreement is this, while much of what is referred to as 'magick' is focus and concentration, there are also 'outside elements' that may or may not be involved. This is why rituals of protection are taught or sacred space is created or sought in every tradition I've encountered. - Demons of the earth or demons of the ego, folklore or science, it makes no difference which you believe in. 'Things' can intrude when you are working in the meidum of magick. They are simply blocked by the trained practitioner but they can scare the bull-snot out of the unwary. - Magick shouldn't be thought of as a game but rather as psychic science. Still a vast, un-mapped wilderness. Walk carefully if you don't have a guide
***
All good advice, I think.
I may disagree that there are things which can actually damage a person's soul, but I'll admit they can scare the carap out of you and change your life; come crashing down all over the things you had invested with vanity and personal power, sometimes including magick itself!!!!
I do dispute that anything in magickal practice that "hurts" the aspirant is aimed at anything other than vanity-based consciousness and ego, however; I don't think the human soul is so fragile that merely dipping into it will cause any kind of damage to the soul. The ego? Well, it will change, irrefutably, but that is the whole idea!
"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."
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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 7/16/2007 1:24 PM (GMT -5) |   | 4) I've never heard of this one. For those who have interest in the occult though, I would suggest finding an experienced & benevolent teacher or staying within the safe bounderies of religion. The universe is a big, scary place to play without guidence
***
LOL
I disagree: the Universe is your oyster!!!! Magick is part of cosmic joy and it is only a very recent idea in "modern" civilization that someone should try to make their life-walk *without* magick.
For gazillions of years, magick was rightly considered the *most* important aspect of someone's personal orientation and interaction with the Universe. Yes, there are "scary" things out there, but the only things they can hurt are your vanity and your will to power.
I don't think aspirant magicians need teachers, necessarily. I think teachers could be a very bad thing in magick because the idea of organization and hierarchy always allow for the intrusion of vanity and "earthly" awareness.
The BEST teacher will be your magickal guide, as I tried to sketch out upstream. Calling on the Guide may also produce synchronous meeting: meaning you may meet an actual, physical teacher to compliment your psychic guide. But even without a physical teacher, you can learn everything you need to know about magick purely from your own consciousness and soul.
Magick is revealed knowledge and all magickal practices are diametrically opposite of earthly practices. You don't "teach" or "learn" the same way as you do for non-magickal pursuits. Simple quite and solitude will almost ALWAYS bring about the initiation of magickal consciousnes, period. It is something which is ALWAYS trying to get through and is obstructed only by the immersion in ego-consciousness which in Western civilization (in modern times) is considered to BE consciousness. Thus the need for ritual magick in the modern world!
People fear deserted spaces, prolonged solitude, and other lonely "haunted" landscapes, precisely because their ego-based consciousness recognizes these places as a good bet for the intiation of magickal or transcendant consciousness, which, obviously, poses a threat to the ego-based consciousness and its strangelhold on "reality."
I think magickal knowledge is revealed to those who seek it, period. All you really have to do is make up your mind to accept the "Call."
Which reminds me: I need to make a post on "the Call" because that is an important thing I have neglected to write about at all!!!
Ugh.
"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."
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  |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 7/16/2007 1:15 PM (GMT -5) |   | - This sort of a discussion is a meat feast for the cynics out there.
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It certainly is!!!!!
We've slipped right into "advanced" ideas here and that is OK, there is no such thing as linear progression after-all
However, if we take Laura's recent posts describing "faery-consciousness" and intimating a measure of clarivoyance and precognition, it can be viewed as a participation in Divine Consciousnes and the stripping away of some of her "klippot."
In other words, whether or not one takes Laura's magickal perceptions as objectively true, one can readily identify the will toward a differnet mode of consciousness in her "fantasies." This means: the Higher Consciousness is revealing beyond the specifics of her visions 1) all times and people are connected 2) time is not linear 3) connections between people ttranscend linear time.
By my perspective, Laura's magickal consciousness is quite "liberated" and she has developed a degree of symbolic expression for the cosmic-consciousness which is emerging into her ego-based consciousness through her participation in magick and through her devotion to the Divine Source.
Even those without "belief" in magick, per se, can be stopped in their tracks at an instant by Laura's magickal Voice, whether by fascination or ridicule; anyone reading her posts will have at least a Kleenex width of "klippot" stripped away for at least a moment. And they will comprehend the idea that human consciousness and imagination are very powerful, quite important things. Even if these are viewed negatively, ie "She's a nutter."
That kind of reaction is to take refuge in ego-consciousness. Part of the whole "black" magick thing is that the human ego, everyday get-ahead-of-the-neighbors, life's a bitch and then you die, style of "being" IS highly threatened and terrified of magickal consciousness because as I have been saying again and again -- it is the transformation (ie "death") of the ego-based consciousness which comprises the root of all magickal practice.
"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."
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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 7/16/2007 1:06 PM (GMT -5) |   | - By the definition I've heard, any magick that affects 'free will', is considered black (And for all those pious folks praying for others to see things as they do-- that would make those sort of prayers 'black Magick' also. Think about it.) ***
Rob!
Thanks for your excellent responses!
Regarding "black" and "white" magick; I'm going to stick with my original intepretation: that all magick is "black" in that it represents the will of the aspirant magician to appeal to and control cosmic power/forces and it is all "white" in that it emerges from (and is ultimately "controlled by") a Divine Source. Beyond that, I recognize only degrees of "ego contamination" in magickal practice. I do not, personally believe in "good" and "evil" as such.
From my persepctive all ego-based desire whether that is expressed or not through magickal ritual represents degrees of obfuscation between the individual and the Divine Source. This "obfuscation" in kabbalistic terms can be seen as " klippot."
Ego-desire both obfuscates and gives rise to a longing for the union of the ego-consciousness and the Divine. Ritual magick can be most effectively viewed, in my opinion, as a method for stripping away the veils of obfusctaion (or klippot) whether one chooses "white" or "black" magick, the result is always going to be in some measure 1) stripping away fo ego-consciousness 2) apprehension/participation in Divine Consciousness.
As I mentioned, I think there are serious hazards in pursuing what you and many others call black magick; however, I , like Waite, simply do not recognize any magickal practice as being "white," to the exclusion of ego-based desire and ambition on behalf of any aspirant magician. Some may "feel" better calling their magickal practices "white" and others may have no problem admitting right out of the gate that they are "black;" in my humble opinion they are all of the same rainbow and all present in any aspirant magician and one must embrace the totality of magickal experience and one does, in fact, despite what colors one associates with magick.
"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."
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  |  Laura Stamps Neophyte

       Date Joined Jun 2007 Total Posts : 134 | Posted 7/16/2007 7:39 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Rob Mancebo said...
Daniel, Thanks for a lot of work on writing all of this up. For anyone writing a story that includes magic/magick, this is very helpful as including these techniques will add substantial reality to their story.
Before I add anything to this section though, I will point out that there are groups out there who completely believe that 'sacred space' or 'sacred places' are physical locations and are not affected by anything we might do here within the world. They seek out such places rather than try to create them. In the same way, I have to laugh when I am writing one of my novels. My fiction is classified as "magickal urban fantasy," but only because what seems like fantasy to most people is actually normal to a Psychic/Empathic Witch (me). And all the main characters in my novels are contemporary Witches. I spend a lot of time in those "sacred places" with "spirits" that most people think are fantasy and don't exist. But it is all very real to me, and part of my normal everyday life.
Thanks, too, Rob, for your comments about black and white magick and will and intent. I think most people who are not involved in the magickal arts don't realize when they pray for someone to do what they "want" them to do, they are applying black magick. I know they do this with the very best intentions. But the fact is they are messing with the will of another. More than that they are messing with Divine will and the destiny and karma of that person, which will all come back to them in negative ways they did not imagine.
I get more requests for love spells or love potions than anything else for the specific purpose of "making" someone fall in love with them. Wiccans don't do that, and most of these people don't understand when I tell them I can't do that. What I can do is give them a spell or ritual that will help them to become more "loving" people, if that is their wish. And a loving person is going to attract love, because "Like attracts Like" is a basic metaphysical law. So I give them something that will help them work with the laws of this world rather than against them.
This is one of the many things I love about Wicca and its focus on spiritual magick. In any case where I want a situation to go in a good way, and it involves other spirits (human or animal or whatever), all I have to do is pray or cast a spell that is according to the divine will of my Patron Goddess, knowing her will is in tune with the overall Divine Will. To do that you have to surrender your human will and understand we have no idea what is best for another. There may be hardships involved in that spirit's path that will help them gain greater good in her/his life. We just don't know. All I know is there is a Divine will that knows much more than I do about what is best for each person. So I can surrender to that in my spell or prayer and then forget about it, knowing whatever happens will eventually bring about the greatest good in that person's life. But lots of people have a hard time with that, they want the magick to be more specific. Well, it can't be more specific, because that kind of spell or prayer is the most tightly targeted spell one can cast for another. And it works every time. Even though you have no idea what hills and valleys the target will have to cross to get there. And you know what? That's none of my business. My busines is to spread the magickal power of love and to let it take whatever course the Divine will wants it to when it leaves me. That's why I said earlier I am "the dream." I am an empty tunnel, and the power of Divine love flows through me for my magick, and that's it. Plain and simple. Laura Stamps
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 |  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 987 | Posted 7/16/2007 3:41 AM (GMT -5) |   | Daniel, Thanks for a lot of work on writing all of this up. For anyone writing a story that includes magic/magick, this is very helpful as including these techniques will add substantial reality to their story.
Before I add anything to this section though, I will point out that there are groups out there who completely believe that 'sacred space' or 'sacred places' are physical locations and are not affected by anything we might do here within the world. They seek out such places rather than try to create them.
So then, these techniques are not acknowledged universially.
Daniel said...
Creation of a Sacred Space
Before you can begin practicing ritual magick you must designate a space wherein your rituals will be performed. This space should be as private and as comfortable for the magician as is possible. An entire room works best, although a small section of a room or even a corner will work if there is no alternative. It's fine if you ritual space and living space collide, it's best, however,to keep your magickal implements and objects as hidden from ordinary day to day life as possible.
Because ritual magick partakes of the eternal archetypal symbolism of the universe and in the human psyche, most ritual spaces acknowledge the four elements: air, earth, fire, and water by making us of incense and perfumes (air), small amounts of earth or wood (earth), candles (fire), and a bowl or cauldron (water). Additionally, many ritual spaces make use of the four directions: North, South, East, and West and color schemes in symbolically fruitful fashions; how you approach your individual ritual space is entirely up to you.
You should make a clear distinction between when a space is used for ordinary and ritual purposes. This has to do with "casting the circle" and "banishing;" both are subjects which I will talk about presently.
Casting the Circle
Before you begin any magickal operation in ritual space you are advised to first "open the circle" or "cast the circle" which is done by entring your ritual space and, either in complete darkness, or by the light of a single, guide candle, closing your eyes and turning slowly in a circle, pointing with a finger (or magickal wand or dagger) and envisioning a rainbow line of light encircling your ritual space. See this line as vividly as you can imagine it and trace it clockwise and counterclockise meditating on the idea that only sacred, magickal energies may permeate your ritual space.
One the circle is cast you may conduct your rituals and other magickal operations. If you must leave the cast-circle at any time it is wise to leave your implements behind. It is unwise to leave a cast circle for a prolonged time period. If you must leave for an extended time, perform a banishing to break the circle.
Banishing
When your rituals or operations are completed "break" the circle by banishing. Chaotes such as myself prefer a hearty laugh and clapping of hands with a hearty "So mote it be!" for theatrical impact. Snapping on a light and saying "Well done!" works just as well.
Consecration of Ritual Space
All that is necessary is that the magician designate a space and consecrate it with some variation of the following:
After the space has been cleared and set-aside, and the circle-cast the magician should sit on the floor in the ritual space in total darkness and pray to their god or contemplate Divine will. After sitting in silence and darkness long enough to feel a shift in their ordinary state of mind (a feeling of excitement is best), the magician should proclaim with conviction: "In this sacred space be done my magickal will!" Repeat the invocation (or one like it) until the room has "soaked it up."
Since you're making an explanation of techniques to folks who may have no idea about what's going on here, you'd better explain:
- Why do you cast a circle? What's that got to do with anything? (You're telling folks techniques but not meanings or the significance of what they're doing.) Does following a ritual without understanding its meaning do anything?
- Why keep your magic impliments and objects hidden?
- Why do you feel it is unwise to leave a circle for a prolonged time?
- What happens if you don't 'break the circle'?
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 |  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 987 | Posted 7/16/2007 3:01 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said...
Some typical questions about magick:
1) Is there such a thing as "Black Magick?"
Yes. And no. In my opinion all magick may be considered "white" in that it springs from a Divine source. However, it may all be considered "black" because it is concerned with the invocation of Divine power to serve personal desires. Arthur Edward Waite remarked that "There is a magick behind the magick" and what he meant was the Divine Will always triumphs over the will of any magician, so a successful spell, white or black, represents the harmony of individual and Divine wills. Or you could say conscious and unconscious thought.
Certainly, there are magicians who think of themselves as black and those who think of themselves as white. As we shall see, color-symbolism plays a huge role in magickal operations, but I find it useful to divest symbolic colors from any moral connotation. You may feel differently. Magick has often been referred to as the "Dark Arts" and as Jung pointed out this has a lot to do not with its moral capacities but with the manner by which occult information is most often transmitted and occult knowledge and results gained: out of the light of normal, everyday life.
2) Do you need special robes and ritual gear to do magick?
No. Magick can be performed without any implements whatsoever. The common vision of a magician in robes standing in a pentagram with a pointy hat has been and may be still true for some Ceremonial magicians. But, no, it is not necessary to have this stuff to do magick.
3) What is the "Necronomicon?
It is a fictional book in the writings of H.P. Lovecraft, one which is often mistaken for an actual occult treatise and spellbook. Yes, Lovecraft and the "Necronomicon" play a role in certain quarters of the Chaos-magick crowd, but not in my particular corner of the world.
4) What is the Law of Occult Silence and aren't you/we breaking it by having this discussion?
The Law of Occult Silence is not something that is commonly admonished by occultists to other practicioners, but it should be. It pertains to the discussion of specific rituals and specific results only. It does not pertain to theory or to general discussion of practice or implements.
In other words it's ok to share a spell you created or have had good luck with, but it is potentially hazardous to say: "Hey gang, I am starting a spell now and I'll be back later to let everyone know if it worked." Even worse is to start "bragging" about results you have had; in some extreme cases, when the ego gets too out of control and the magician no longer recognizes any limit to their vanity or power, it can be of lethal consequence. Mostly though it just causes your spells and other operations to flop.
Why is it bad to break the Law of Occult Silence in regard to specific rituals and specific results? Simply put: it's a form of "breaking your concentration:" as if a golfer stopped in the middle of their swing to say "Look at this!" and then went on and hit the ball anyway!
The more your operations and spells are brought into the light of ordinary life, simply put, the more they lose their magickal capacities and that includes spells that have already been cast, even if they seem to be working. Try not to become egotistical or too-talkative about your specific practices and results and you will experience far less "backlash" or outright failure from your magickal operations. A rule of thumb: it is good to reveal and share knowledge; it is perilous to claim it with exclusivity as your own.
5) Is there such a thing as "sex-magick?"
Yes, we'll talk about that a little later! (But it's a lot duller than you may think!)
6) Is magick evil?
Absolutely not. You are engaged in ritual and magick whether you are conscious of it or not on a daily basis, so how can it be evil? Any application of individual will, be that writing a great novel or just baiting a fish hook, consists in some ways of ritualized concentration and that is all we are talking about here.
1) Black & White--as identified to me-- are not referring to the source, rather the use of power.
Example: Casting a spell to attract members of the opposite gender = 'black magic' (maybe they didn't WANT to be attracted by you, right?) However, casting a similar spell to attract members of the opposite gender who might be interested in you would be 'white magick' (You're just advertising availability not putting the 'come-hither' on everyone in the room.)
2) Robes and other gear are cultural. They can have powerful meaning to people of different cultures and therefore be useful in achieving clear focus. If they hold no meaning to you, don't waste your time with them.
3) A creepy sounding fantasy, as you already explained.
4) I've never heard of this one. For those who have interest in the occult though, I would suggest finding an experienced & benevolent teacher or staying within the safe bounderies of religion. The universe is a big, scary place to play without guidence.
5)  Not on this board  (See 'Path Notes of an American Ninja Master' for further discussion and numerous suggested texts on this provocative subject.)
6) I'm afraid that I'll have to completely disagree with you here. "Any application of individual will, be that writing a great novel or just baiting a fish hook, consists in some ways of ritualized concentration and that is all we are talking about here."
- My disagreement is this, while much of what is referred to as 'magick' is focus and concentration, there are also 'outside elements' that may or may not be involved. This is why rituals of protection are taught or sacred space is created or sought in every tradition I've encountered.
- Demons of the earth or demons of the ego, folklore or science, it makes no difference which you believe in. 'Things' can intrude when you are working in the meidum of magick. They are simply blocked by the trained practitioner but they can scare the bull-snot out of the unwary.
- Magick shouldn't be thought of as a game but rather as psychic science. Still a vast, un-mapped wilderness. Walk carefully if you don't have a guide.
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 |  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 987 | Posted 7/16/2007 2:22 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Alan of The Word said...
Daniel said...
I think Waite's assertion that all magick is, at heart, "black" in that consists of the magician's conscious attempt to channel Divine and magickal powers toward personal ends, is a very good insight into the black/white debate regarding magick.
I think it's important with any magic to consider that it could be black. Starting from that standpoint will give you a moral compass to be guided by. - By the definition I've heard, any magick that affects 'free will', is considered black (And for all those pious folks praying for others to see things as they do-- that would make those sort of prayers 'black Magick' also. Think about it.)
- Whenever anyone seeks to change the world around them through spiritual means, it could be considered magick.
- Whenever anyone seeks to change the world about them through psychic means, it could be considered magick.
- It's always well to consider how much our prayers, wishes, or focused attention, will affect other's free will.
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 |  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 987 | Posted 7/16/2007 2:14 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said... A Basic Theory of Magick
All magickal operations can be viewed as forms of mental and imaginative concentration. They are the attempt to "tune in" to what many psychologists refer to as the "unconscious" capacities for creativity and knowledge that are latent in our imaginations and also to direct these capacities toward specific, desired results.
- Well this subject really opens the ol' bucket of worms
- Anyone interested in a good book on the subject of all things esoteric check out, "Path Notes of an American Ninja Master" By DR Glenn Morris. Energy, auras, traveling in the next worlds, sex, fighting through feeling, ghosts, spirits, and things that go bump in the night. Lots of things called magic/magick are treated as wierd 'science' and studied.
- I laughed when I saw the title in the book store many years ago, but when I thumbed through it, it shocked me completely. Not only does he write clearly about things most people are afraid to talk about, the man made logical sense out of the esoteric.
- Glenn was a funny guy who could talk about things that would scare the spit out of people in a way to put you at ease to observe strangness like any other new subject. (He died last year and his students still miss him. Hell, I still miss him and I only got to talk to him on-line.)
- If you tell high-level martial Arts instructors that you've studied this book, you'll see that small, sideways look of expectation--and maybe a little wariness-- slide into their eyes.
Rob
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  |  Laura Stamps Neophyte

       Date Joined Jun 2007 Total Posts : 134 | Posted 7/13/2007 2:15 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said... She told me her name was Sheila Pichard, and she had been a little blonde girl who had died in England when she was 10 in 1843
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I couldn't help myself, so I googled Miss Pichard's possible pasts. Obviously, I didn't excpect to find any direct record of her; however, I found a number of "Pickards" that are close enough for rock n' roll. :wink:
Pickard, David, d. 15 Nov 1860 of Burnley, age: 62yr, h/o Dorothy Ann Pickard, Dorothy Ann, d. 23 Jul 1873, age: 72yr, w/o David
Thanks! Neat. I do the same thing, and did when Katy told me that. I found a Sheila Pichard in England who died in 1843, but the records were closed, and I had to pay a fee to open them to learn more. So I never knew how old she was when she died.
However, let me tell you about Alfred. And I hope he is okay with this, because he here now. Okay, he says, Yes. In March one of my feral cats passed over to Faeryland from a lung disease. He was a very sweet Maine Coon named Dandelion, and the faeries took his entire body there when he passed. I think they knew how sad it would be for me to bury him. I missed him terribly. Usually, my cats come back to see me in spirit form a few days later and show up in my waking hours as cats or in my dreams just to tell me they are okay. Dandelion never did until three weeks later. First my computer screen went black. Then I smelled cigarette smoke (and no one smokes in my house), so I knew a new human Spirit had arrived. I got the screen back on but kept smelling the smoke, so I dove into it just like I said before. And discovered this Spirit's name is Alfred Strathmore. He has red wavy hair and smokes cigarettes, wears a tweed jacket, and was a university-type teacher. He told me he was the Spirit in Dandelion, and that he had spent several lifetimes with me in different human forms, and I had always helped him, so he has come to stay with me indefinitely to help me. And he has, and I am thrilled to have him.
So I did what I always do...I Googled his name. And I found him and communicated with his family in England for a while. They were looking for info on relatives from their family tree. Finally I had to tell them how I knew Alfred, and of course, they thought I was nuts. But that's nothing new for me. Laura Stamps
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 |  Laura Stamps Neophyte

       Date Joined Jun 2007 Total Posts : 134 | Posted 7/13/2007 1:55 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said...Laura! You are an amazing soul! I've been reading your blog and some interviews and reviews I found of your fiction and poetry as well as your posts here!!! Somnia a Deo missa! These are, indeed, the dreams sent by God!!!! Carry on, my dear witch, your good works are much needed in this world.
Oh, my, Daniel, you really are good for my soul today!
Thanks for the Latin...one of my favorite languages. Actually, I am the "dream." And I say that in a completely ego-less way. My friends often kid me that the only thing holding me here on Earth is gravity...I spend so much time in other spiritual realms, surrounded by the Spirits from those realms, clothed in the sparkling pink light of divine Love. But I think that is the mission of an Empath too. To be a container of that, for the purpose of giving it away to others for healing of any kind. A magickal divine dream encased in the shell of a body. Also, part Faery and part cat. A neat way to live for sure! Laura Stamps
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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

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