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|  Laura Stamps Neophyte

       Date Joined Jun 2007 Total Posts : 134 | Posted 7/12/2007 7:19 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said...Laura, many Chaotes are of the same mind. And for the same reasons, I think. There's room for as many ideas in magick as people, but I, like you, envision magick as a spiritual act.
Sounds like you and I are both Eclectics in our magickal disciplines. Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way.
IMO a spiritual focus just makes it easier to stay on the white side rather than falling into the black/ego-manic side, doesn't it? I have met several Chaotes in the Witch forums I have been a member of over the years. They were very anti-spiritual. You could tell they were "trying" to be nice, but their judgements of others were often quite harsh. I think using a spiritual focus helps you consciously "soften" the edges of your personality. I say "consciously" because as with all religions and spiritual practices this does not mean people will "walk their talk." It has to be a conscious effort. You have to do the hard work every day, plain and simple.
BTW, Daniel, have you read Ted Andrews' book on faeries? I think it is called something like Enchantment of the Faery Realm. Most reviewers snubbed it, but I gave it a glowing review on Amazon. I spend 24/7 with faeries of the four elements and consider myself a Faery Witch as well as a Green Witch. I could sense in his book that he really had a heart for the faeries too. I have this sneaking feeling that faeries have had as much bad press over the course of time as Witches have.
Speaking of that, have you seen the definition for a Sabbat in Webster's Dictionary? It says a Sabbat is a midnight ritual for Witches to worship the devil. What a hoot! Wiccans don't even believe in the devil. And all the non-Wiccan Witches I know don't believe in satan or the devil either. A Sabbat is a religious holiday for Witches and Wiccans, and they span the calendar year. Wicca is a very peaceful, feminist, nature religion. Far from devil worshp for sure. That was my first clue that there were big mistakes in the dictionary. The devil and satan are the creations of other religions. Not Wicca or Witchcraft. Cracks me up. Just more bad press for us. Laura Stamps
"Magickal Urban Fantasy Novels (Collectible, small press, signed editions)"
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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 7/12/2007 1:10 PM (GMT -5) |   | | have met several Chaotes in the Witch forums I have been a member of over the years. They were very anti-spiritual. You could tell they were "trying" to be nice, but their judgements of others were often quite harsh. I think using a spiritual focus helps you consciously "soften" the edges of your personality. I say "consciously" because as with all religions and spiritual practices this does not mean people will "walk their talk." It has to be a conscious effort. You have to do the hard work every day, plain and simple
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Many Chaotes are magickal renegades!!! You're going to get this when you have an open-ended philosophy. It's a pity that each of the "paths" has its less-than-exemplary practicioners. Sometimes when people become absorbed in magick they are looking for a "weapon" or a quick route to power. Later, when I have a chance I'll discuss magickal "fallout" or "blowback" or "karma" which tends to give a lot of chaos magicians fits.
Wiccans, in my experience, suffer way less "blowback" from magickal operations, though some degree of "blowback" is, in my opinion, always present. "Blowback" is, of course, just another way of saying "ego-contamination" and we're back on the merry-go-round once again!
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BTW, Daniel, have you read Ted Andrews' book on faeries? I think it is called something like Enchantment of the Faery Realm. Most reviewers snubbed it, but I gave it a glowing review on Amazon. I spend 24/7 with faeries of the four elements and consider myself a Faery Witch as well as a Green Witch. I could sense in his book that he really had a heart for the faeries too. I have this sneaking feeling that faeries have had as much bad press over the course of time as Witches have.
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No, I haven't read it. I don't know much about Faery Magcik, mightn't you enlighten us in this thread? Perhaps, just as much as is fun (but not laborious) for you  please?
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Speaking of that, have you seen the definition for a Sabbat in Webster's Dictionary? It says a Sabbat is a midnight ritual for Witches to worship the devil. What a hoot! Wiccans don't even believe in the devil. And all the non-Wiccan Witches I know don't believe in satan or the devil either. A Sabbat is a religious holiday for Witches and Wiccans, and they span the calendar year. Wicca is a very peaceful, feminist, nature religion. Far from devil worshp for sure. That was my first clue that there were big mistakes in the dictionary. The devil and satan are the creations of other religions. Not Wicca or Witchcraft. Cracks me up. Just more bad press for us.
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Hammer of the Witches!
Ugh, I'm with you. I am positively sick of people conflating magick with Satanism or demonism or "evil."
Because magick, as we have been saying again and again, can prove dangerous and destructive to the ego-consciousness, I think a lot of this "fear of Satan" or "evil" in connection with magick is an ego-based fear of enlightenment. The ego, naturally, is suspicious of magick because it is, after-all, a threat to its autonomy and supremacy. But that's a pretty deep line of reasoning and we should probably take this just a bit slower for now.
Yes, to some degree magick appears "evil" to the ego-based consciousness, just as ego-based consciousness sometimes appears "perverted" or "unenlightened" to those with magickal awareness.
Magick is not evil or demonic, rather it emerges from the omnipotent power of a Divine and All-Loving God-source and the ambition and devotion of the asiprant magician.
On the sabbat itself: the very idea of a witches sabbat, where powerful, especially sexually empowered, women who don't play by society's rules, per se, gather en masse to celebrate their connection to eternity and Divine magick, well, that's not gonna play in a culture where women are supposed to be either 1) emaciated, drug-addled, supermodels in high-heels shaking their butts on a "runway" to model clothes designed for rich people or 2) soccer moms motoring back and forth from the shoe-store to the supermarket and caring about everyone else's well-being to the exclusion of their own ambitions.
I think the idea of powerful women, especially those with a feminine center of power, rather than a male-centered idea of power, are extremely threatening to the average person because it is an image and reality our society has done as much as it can to avoid.
Alas!
"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."
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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 7/12/2007 5:32 PM (GMT -5) |   | |
Basic Ritual Implements
What follows is a list of suggested magickal tools which any magician may find useful in their practice of ritual magick. The list is, as mentioned previously, a mere beginning and the possibilities for types and modes of magickal implements are, in fact, limitless. The following list has a classical feel and this is by intention. The use of traditional magickal implements (as well as traditional spells and rituals) can prove of enormous assistance in generating a sense of sacred space and connection with eternal archetypes.
Common magickal tools:
1) Dagger
2) Cauldron (bowl)
3) Wand (s)
4) Candle (s)
5) Bell
6) Ritual pen
7) Ritual paper (parchment)
8) Staff*
9) Knife (etching tool)
10) Incense/perfume
Whether you choose to adopt classical implements or implements of your own devising, ritual tools are created one of two ways: 1) from "scratch" 2) or by "appropriation." I will now discuss, in some detail, the difference between the two types of implements as well as the methods by which they are made suitable for ritual magick.
Despite the superficial appearance, appropriated implements are no less powerful or useful than created implements, although I do advise any magician, to the best of their abilities, to include some hand-made or created implements in their ritual space.
Creation of Implements
The creation of ritual implements is a time-consuming and often challenging task; however, the "pay-off" for such extended devotion is enormous. The creation of any ritual implement from raw materials usually involves three stages 1) the assemblage and blessing of the raw materials 2) the "fusion" or "conversion" of the raw materials into the desired implement 3) the magickal charging of the implement. All three of these steps are performed within a cast-circle in ritual space and are preceded by meditation or prayer upon the desired results and on the Divine nature of the implements and their intended use.
It is usual for the creation of a single implement to last many days or weeks, depending on the complexity of the task. To forge a magickal dagger from the raw metals the magician personally mined from the ground over a bellows the magician built and fired, and etc. would obviously be an extreme (and largely fantastic!) path toward the creation of an intimately unique and "focused" implement. However, such devotion to a single implement may obstruct the more Sacred purpose of the performance of ritual magick itself, so it is wise to find a measure of "balance' in the creation of magickal implements. A wooden magickal dagger, fashioned by hand, for example, is fine for the purposes of ritual magick.
Appropriation of Implements
A for more common approach to the implements of ritual magick for most magicians and especially Chaotes is the appropriation of magickal implements from common materials, or from everyday objects. Also within this category would be the purchasing of ritual equipment or borrowing of ritual equipment which was fashioned by someone other than the aspirant magician.
To appropriate implements for magickal use you simply follow two steps 1) a magickal transference of the object into ritual space 2) charging the magickal implement.
For step one you bring the desired implement into your cast-circle in ritual space and perform a blessing on it of your own choice or making. Thereafter you must make some visible, physical change to the implement such as anointing it with a symbol or magickal word or name -- or simply taking it out of its pre-existent form by altering it somehow. Examples would be: spray painting a cereal bowl you are now going to use for a cauldron, painting the blade of a butter-knife to use as a magickal dagger, turning a candlestick upside down and using the base to hold a smaller candle for ritual purposes, taking the "works" of a common ink-pen out of their case and placing them in a prepared "magickal" case (or just writing with no case).
For step two, you must meditate in ritual space upon the desired use of the implement in question. In general, it is sufficient to simply ask your god or magickal Source for a blessing of the implement. It may useful for to dip the implement in one of the elemental and archetypal essences: air, earth, fire, or water (or better yet all four!) during the charging phase. You may charge implements with the sun, the moon, your favorite song, your feeelings, a dream, a name, your magickal guide. Whatever works! You will know it is working when you feel 1) excited and 2) surges of joy and power (and maybe a little pride, too!)
After your implements are created or appropriated for magickal purposes you must keep them out of the stream of ordinary life and no matter how beautiful or original they are, you should resist the temptation to reveal them to anyone anytime other than in ritual space.
* For magickal staffs, I think it is OK to just pick up a nice looking stick from the park or out in the forest and take it home and charge it in a magickal ritual. In fact, the more you treat you magickal staff as a living entity and the more you meditate on it and utilize it in your day-dreams, dreams, and fantasies, and spells, the better magician you will be!
"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."
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 |  H.P. Lovesauce Necronomicondiment

       Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 585 | Posted 7/13/2007 7:36 AM (GMT -5) |   | Ah-ha, this thread confirmed what I thought when I saw Daniel's avatar. :)
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 |  Laura Stamps Neophyte

       Date Joined Jun 2007 Total Posts : 134 | Posted 7/13/2007 9:47 AM (GMT -5) |   | |
Hi, H.P.!
Just saw your post in the "Self-Publishing" thread, and it was a hoot! Welcome to the forum. Also, speaking of your post in that thread, if you have been to the thread about writers and magick then you have already seen that my publication numbers have changed. I counted recently, and it is over 1000. Just wanted to warn you, so you won't suffer any more "shrinkage" (lol). I haven't been to that thread yet, so I don't know if you have found it. I should also say these numbers reflect one of my basic marketing strategies as a writer. When I first started out in the writing business 19 years ago I looked at what the top writers in the small press were doing. Many of them were of the thinking that it is more important to publish a lot rather than in just a few big name mags. That was before the internet. Now that way of thinking is more important than ever because Google rules. So I have these numbers, which grow weekly, because I publish in everything...big mags, small mags, print mags, web mags, fly-by-night mags, you name it. And it adds up on my resume and in the Google search engine. So that's how it happens, and any writer can pursue this strategy as well. What it means in $$ is when someone searches for me, they find me and my books very quick!
Hi, Daniel
Hmm...faery magick. You know there is a rule of thinking among practioners that you are not supposed to talk about the Fey. Fortunately, I am not one of them. I guess you could call me a Fey rebel in many ways. And I think that is why I liked Andrews's book. I could tell he approaches the Faery realm in the same way I do. I have been a Witch for so long that in many ways I have gone beyond ritual. And I think that is also because I am psychic and an Empath. Sometimes you get to the point where you move beyond the trappings of ritual in certain areas and just "commune" with the Fey and the spirit realm. And that's what I do. Yes, you can call it faery magick, but mostly it is just talking with the Fey, living with them every day, loving and adoring them, telling them my needs of the moment, having them satisfied immediately by the Fey, etc. That kind of thing.
I was trying to explain this to my neighbor the other day. I was standing in her kitchen talking to her about the heat (it had slammed both of us and we were cooling off...she had mowed the yard, and I had packed up a dog pen and dropped off my kittens at a friend's for the day on a very hot hot day). She knew I had developed the ability this summer to hear animals speak. Her dog, Katy, was sitting there staring at me. When I looked in Katy's eyes I heard what she was saying. She told me her name was Sheila Pichard, and she had been a little blonde girl who had died in England when she was 10 in 1843, and she loved to paint with her watercolors. When my neighbor asked me how I did that I said I used my Empath skills to zero in on the emotion pouring out of her eyes as she tried to express herself to me. I dove into it through her eyes, and I used my psychic skills to hear what she was telling me and to see the images she was showing me (through my third eye) of this past life that had meant so much to her. This was very important to her to tell me this, because my neighbor had painted her kitchen the day before, and Katy had gotten in big trouble for jumping in the trash and "playing" with the paint, which she got everywhere. I use those same skills when I communicate with the Fey and the spirits that live with me every day, as well as my Patron Goddess...a mix of magick and Empath/psychic skills. So I don't really use Faery Magick spells I could pass along to others.
I say I am a Fey rebel in that I have come to believe you attract the kind of faeries that match your energy or aura. If you believe the media buzz about the Fey then you believe they are mostly bad, and that is the kind of faeries you will attract. But my experience (like Ted Andrews') has been good and loving, so those are the Fey that I attract and commune with every day. I am actually exploring this theory further in my current novel-in-progress THE FAERY WITCH. Now this is just my experience with the Fey, and I'm sure others have different experiences, but I think it is an interesting line of thought to follow (or it is to me...lol). Laura Stamps
"Magickal Urban Fantasy Novels (Collectible, small press, signed editions)"
Kittyfeather Press
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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 7/13/2007 1:09 PM (GMT -5) |   | Ah-ha, this thread confirmed what I thought when I saw Daniel's avatar. :)
A lot of my thinking was informed by the Golden Dawn tradition, and even by Crowley's lights the "results-based" magic of chaos magicians was "black" magick. I've softened my position on that a bit over the years.
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LOL!!! Thanks for joining the thread, H.P.L.!
I think Waite's assertion that all magick is, at heart, "black" in that consists of the magician's conscious attempt to channel Divine and magickal powers toward personal ends, is a very good insight into the black/white debate regarding magick.
Personally, I think the moral connotations attached to each of the colors are pretty much a waste of time. That's just a personal opinion, of course! Either your magickal operations will work or they will flop and/or create a degree of backlash. In any case, the magician is brought into contact with a higher consciousness and one which eventually directs the original ego-imulse away from the gratification of the magician and toward the Divine Union of magician and the God-source.
I am of the mind that many chaotes disregard the transcendant capacity of magick altogther! They have my condolences and my sincere hope for their respective recoveries!!! LOL But I wouldn't try to stop anyone from doing what they desire in relation to magick! As Blake said "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom."
He didn't overtly mention that if you are a wastrel, a self-gratifying hedonistic "slash and burn" mage that when you arrive at the palace of wisdom you are likely to have: bad karma, a bad liver, one or more drug addicitons, probabaly a brood of "illegitimate" kids, a string of vengeful ex-lovers, a slew of magickal enemies, nightmares, and a "vapor trail" of hate-spells and lust-philters bringing you "blow-back" until you are ready to disavow all of your prior, wayward practices and recommit to magick with the idea that it is the pursuit of union with the Divine.
"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."
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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 7/13/2007 1:14 PM (GMT -5) |   | Hmm...faery magick. You know there is a rule of thinking among practioners that you are not supposed to talk about the Fey. Fortunately, I am not one of them. I guess you could call me a Fey rebel in many ways. And I think that is why I liked Andrews's book. I could tell he approaches the Faery realm in the same way I do. I have been a Witch for so long that in many ways I have gone beyond ritual. And I think that is also because I am psychic and an Empath. Sometimes you get to the point where you move beyond the trappings of ritual in certain areas and just "commune" with the Fey and the spirit realm. And that's what I do. Yes, you can call it faery magick, but mostly it is just talking with the Fey, living with them every day, loving and adoring them, telling them my needs of the moment, having them satisfied immediately by the Fey, etc. That kind of thing.
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Laura!
You are an amazing soul! I've been reading your blog and some interviews and reviews I found of your fiction and poetry as well as your posts here!!!
Somnia a Deo missa!
These are, indeed, the dreams sent by God!!!!
Carry on, my dear witch, your good works are much needed in this world. 
"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."
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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 7/13/2007 1:46 PM (GMT -5) |   | | She told me her name was Sheila Pichard, and she had been a little blonde girl who had died in England when she was 10 in 1843
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I couldn't help myself, so I googled Miss Pichard's possible pasts. Obviously, I didn't excpect to find any direct record of her; however, I found a number of "Pickards" that are close enough for rock n' roll. 
Pickard, David, d. 15 Nov 1860 of Burnley, age: 62yr, h/o Dorothy Ann Pickard, Dorothy Ann, d. 23 Jul 1873, age: 72yr, w/o David
"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."
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 |  Laura Stamps Neophyte

       Date Joined Jun 2007 Total Posts : 134 | Posted 7/13/2007 1:55 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said...Laura! You are an amazing soul! I've been reading your blog and some interviews and reviews I found of your fiction and poetry as well as your posts here!!! Somnia a Deo missa! These are, indeed, the dreams sent by God!!!! Carry on, my dear witch, your good works are much needed in this world.
Oh, my, Daniel, you really are good for my soul today!
Thanks for the Latin...one of my favorite languages. Actually, I am the "dream." And I say that in a completely ego-less way. My friends often kid me that the only thing holding me here on Earth is gravity...I spend so much time in other spiritual realms, surrounded by the Spirits from those realms, clothed in the sparkling pink light of divine Love. But I think that is the mission of an Empath too. To be a container of that, for the purpose of giving it away to others for healing of any kind. A magickal divine dream encased in the shell of a body. Also, part Faery and part cat. A neat way to live for sure! Laura Stamps
"Magickal Urban Fantasy Novels (Collectible, small press, signed editions)"
Kittyfeather Press
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 |  Laura Stamps Neophyte

       Date Joined Jun 2007 Total Posts : 134 | Posted 7/13/2007 2:15 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said... She told me her name was Sheila Pichard, and she had been a little blonde girl who had died in England when she was 10 in 1843
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I couldn't help myself, so I googled Miss Pichard's possible pasts. Obviously, I didn't excpect to find any direct record of her; however, I found a number of "Pickards" that are close enough for rock n' roll. :wink:
Pickard, David, d. 15 Nov 1860 of Burnley, age: 62yr, h/o Dorothy Ann Pickard, Dorothy Ann, d. 23 Jul 1873, age: 72yr, w/o David
Thanks! Neat. I do the same thing, and did when Katy told me that. I found a Sheila Pichard in England who died in 1843, but the records were closed, and I had to pay a fee to open them to learn more. So I never knew how old she was when she died.
However, let me tell you about Alfred. And I hope he is okay with this, because he here now. Okay, he says, Yes. In March one of my feral cats passed over to Faeryland from a lung disease. He was a very sweet Maine Coon named Dandelion, and the faeries took his entire body there when he passed. I think they knew how sad it would be for me to bury him. I missed him terribly. Usually, my cats come back to see me in spirit form a few days later and show up in my waking hours as cats or in my dreams just to tell me they are okay. Dandelion never did until three weeks later. First my computer screen went black. Then I smelled cigarette smoke (and no one smokes in my house), so I knew a new human Spirit had arrived. I got the screen back on but kept smelling the smoke, so I dove into it just like I said before. And discovered this Spirit's name is Alfred Strathmore. He has red wavy hair and smokes cigarettes, wears a tweed jacket, and was a university-type teacher. He told me he was the Spirit in Dandelion, and that he had spent several lifetimes with me in different human forms, and I had always helped him, so he has come to stay with me indefinitely to help me. And he has, and I am thrilled to have him.
So I did what I always do...I Googled his name. And I found him and communicated with his family in England for a while. They were looking for info on relatives from their family tree. Finally I had to tell them how I knew Alfred, and of course, they thought I was nuts. But that's nothing new for me. Laura Stamps
"Magickal Urban Fantasy Novels (Collectible, small press, signed editions)"
Kittyfeather Press
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  |  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 943 | Posted 7/16/2007 2:14 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said... A Basic Theory of Magick
All magickal operations can be viewed as forms of mental and imaginative concentration. They are the attempt to "tune in" to what many psychologists refer to as the "unconscious" capacities for creativity and knowledge that are latent in our imaginations and also to direct these capacities toward specific, desired results.
- Well this subject really opens the ol' bucket of worms
- Anyone interested in a good book on the subject of all things esoteric check out, "Path Notes of an American Ninja Master" By DR Glenn Morris. Energy, auras, traveling in the next worlds, sex, fighting through feeling, ghosts, spirits, and things that go bump in the night. Lots of things called magic/magick are treated as wierd 'science' and studied.
- I laughed when I saw the title in the book store many years ago, but when I thumbed through it, it shocked me completely. Not only does he write clearly about things most people are afraid to talk about, the man made logical sense out of the esoteric.
- Glenn was a funny guy who could talk about things that would scare the spit out of people in a way to put you at ease to observe strangness like any other new subject. (He died last year and his students still miss him. Hell, I still miss him and I only got to talk to him on-line.)
- If you tell high-level martial Arts instructors that you've studied this book, you'll see that small, sideways look of expectation--and maybe a little wariness-- slide into their eyes.
Rob
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 |  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 943 | Posted 7/16/2007 2:22 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Alan of The Word said...
Daniel said...
I think Waite's assertion that all magick is, at heart, "black" in that consists of the magician's conscious attempt to channel Divine and magickal powers toward personal ends, is a very good insight into the black/white debate regarding magick.
I think it's important with any magic to consider that it could be black. Starting from that standpoint will give you a moral compass to be guided by. - By the definition I've heard, any magick that affects 'free will', is considered black (And for all those pious folks praying for others to see things as they do-- that would make those sort of prayers 'black Magick' also. Think about it.)
- Whenever anyone seeks to change the world around them through spiritual means, it could be considered magick.
- Whenever anyone seeks to change the world about them through psychic means, it could be considered magick.
- It's always well to consider how much our prayers, wishes, or focused attention, will affect other's free will.
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 |  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 943 | Posted 7/16/2007 3:01 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Daniel said...
Some typical questions about magick:
1) Is there such a thing as "Black Magick?"
Yes. And no. In my opinion all magick may be considered "white" in that it springs from a Divine source. However, it may all be considered "black" because it is concerned with the invocation of Divine power to serve personal desires. Arthur Edward Waite remarked that "There is a magick behind the magick" and what he meant was the Divine Will always triumphs over the will of any magician, so a successful spell, white or black, represents the harmony of individual and Divine wills. Or you could say conscious and unconscious thought.
Certainly, there are magicians who think of themselves as black and those who think of themselves as white. As we shall see, color-symbolism plays a huge role in magickal operations, but I find it useful to divest symbolic colors from any moral connotation. You may feel differently. Magick has often been referred to as the "Dark Arts" and as Jung pointed out this has a lot to do not with its moral capacities but with the manner by which occult information is most often transmitted and occult knowledge and results gained: out of the light of normal, everyday life.
2) Do you need special robes and ritual gear to do magick?
No. Magick can be performed without any implements whatsoever. The common vision of a magician in robes standing in a pentagram with a pointy hat has been and may be still true for some Ceremonial magicians. But, no, it is not necessary to have this stuff to do magick.
3) What is the "Necronomicon?
It is a fictional book in the writings of H.P. Lovecraft, one which is often mistaken for an actual occult treatise and spellbook. Yes, Lovecraft and the "Necronomicon" play a role in certain quarters of the Chaos-magick crowd, but not in my particular corner of the world.
4) What is the Law of Occult Silence and aren't you/we breaking it by having this discussion?
The Law of Occult Silence is not something that is commonly admonished by occultists to other practicioners, but it should be. It pertains to the discussion of specific rituals and specific results only. It does not pertain to theory or to general discussion of practice or implements.
In other words it's ok to share a spell you created or have had good luck with, but it is potentially hazardous to say: "Hey gang, I am starting a spell now and I'll be back later to let everyone know if it worked." Even worse is to start "bragging" about results you have had; in some extreme cases, when the ego gets too out of control and the magician no longer recognizes any limit to their vanity or power, it can be of lethal consequence. Mostly though it just causes your spells and other operations to flop.
Why is it bad to break the Law of Occult Silence in regard to specific rituals and specific results? Simply put: it's a form of "breaking your concentration:" as if a golfer stopped in the middle of their swing to say "Look at this!" and then went on and hit the ball anyway!
The more your operations and spells are brought into the light of ordinary life, simply put, the more they lose their magickal capacities and that includes spells that have already been cast, even if they seem to be working. Try not to become egotistical or too-talkative about your specific practices and results and you will experience far less "backlash" or outright failure from your magickal operations. A rule of thumb: it is good to reveal and share knowledge; it is perilous to claim it with exclusivity as your own.
5) Is there such a thing as "sex-magick?"
Yes, we'll talk about that a little later! (But it's a lot duller than you may think!)
6) Is magick evil?
Absolutely not. You are engaged in ritual and magick whether you are conscious of it or not on a daily basis, so how can it be evil? Any application of individual will, be that writing a great novel or just baiting a fish hook, consists in some ways of ritualized concentration and that is all we are talking about here.
1) Black & White--as identified to me-- are not referring to the source, rather the use of power.
Example: Casting a spell to attract members of the opposite gender = 'black magic' (maybe they didn't WANT to be attracted by you, right?) However, casting a similar spell to attract members of the opposite gender who might be interested in you would be 'white magick' (You're just advertising availability not putting the 'come-hither' on everyone in the room.)
2) Robes and other gear are cultural. They can have powerful meaning to people of different cultures and therefore be useful in achieving clear focus. If they hold no meaning to you, don't waste your time with them.
3) A creepy sounding fantasy, as you already explained.
4) I've never heard of this one. For those who have interest in the occult though, I would suggest finding an experienced & benevolent teacher or staying within the safe bounderies of religion. The universe is a big, scary place to play without guidence.
5)  Not on this board  (See 'Path Notes of an American Ninja Master' for further discussion and numerous suggested texts on this provocative subject.)
6) I'm afraid that I'll have to completely disagree with you here. "Any application of individual will, be that writing a great novel or just baiting a fish hook, consists in some ways of ritualized concentration and that is all we are talking about here."
- My disagreement is this, while much of what is referred to as 'magick' is focus and concentration, there are also 'outside elements' that may or may not be involved. This is why rituals of protection are taught or sacred space is created or sought in every tradition I've encountered.
- Demons of the earth or demons of the ego, folklore or science, it makes no difference which you believe in. 'Things' can intrude when you are working in the meidum of magick. They are simply blocked by the trained practitioner but they can scare the bull-snot out of the unwary.
- Magick shouldn't be thought of as a game but rather as psychic science. Still a vast, un-mapped wilderness. Walk carefully if you don't have a guide.
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 |  Rob Mancebo Adept
        Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 943 | Posted 7/16/2007 3:41 AM (GMT -5) |   | Daniel, Thanks for a lot of work on writing all of this up. For anyone writing a story that includes magic/magick, this is very helpful as including these techniques will add substantial reality to their story.
Before I add anything to this section though, I will point out that there are groups out there who completely believe that 'sacred space' or 'sacred places' are physical locations and are not affected by anything we might do here within the world. They seek out such places rather than try to create them.
So then, these techniques are not acknowledged universially.
Daniel said...
Creation of a Sacred Space
Before you can begin practicing ritual magick you must designate a space wherein your rituals will be performed. This space should be as private and as comfortable for the magician as is possible. An entire room works best, although a small section of a room or even a corner will work if there is no alternative. It's fine if you ritual space and living space collide, it's best, however,to keep your magickal implements and objects as hidden from ordinary day to day life as possible.
Because ritual magick partakes of the eternal archetypal symbolism of the universe and in the human psyche, most ritual spaces acknowledge the four elements: air, earth, fire, and water by making us of incense and perfumes (air), small amounts of earth or wood (earth), candles (fire), and a bowl or cauldron (water). Additionally, many ritual spaces make use of the four directions: North, South, East, and West and color schemes in symbolically fruitful fashions; how you approach your individual ritual space is entirely up to you.
You should make a clear distinction between when a space is used for ordinary and ritual purposes. This has to do with "casting the circle" and "banishing;" both are subjects which I will talk about presently.
Casting the Circle
Before you begin any magickal operation in ritual space you are advised to first "open the circle" or "cast the circle" which is done by entring your ritual space and, either in complete darkness, or by the light of a single, guide candle, closing your eyes and turning slowly in a circle, pointing with a finger (or magickal wand or dagger) and envisioning a rainbow line of light encircling your ritual space. See this line as vividly as you can imagine it and trace it clockwise and counterclockise meditating on the idea that only sacred, magickal energies may permeate your ritual space.
One the circle is cast you may conduct your rituals and other magickal operations. If you must leave the cast-circle at any time it is wise to leave your implements behind. It is unwise to leave a cast circle for a prolonged time period. If you must leave for an extended time, perform a banishing to break the circle.
Banishing
When your rituals or operations are completed "break" the circle by banishing. Chaotes such as myself prefer a hearty laugh and clapping of hands with a hearty "So mote it be!" for theatrical impact. Snapping on a light and saying "Well done!" works just as well.
Consecration of Ritual Space
All that is necessary is that the magician designate a space and consecrate it with some variation of the following:
After the space has been cleared and set-aside, and the circle-cast the magician should sit on the floor in the ritual space in total darkness and pray to their god or contemplate Divine will. After sitting in silence and darkness long enough to feel a shift in their ordinary state of mind (a feeling of excitement is best), the magician should proclaim with conviction: "In this sacred space be done my magickal will!" Repeat the invocation (or one like it) until the room has "soaked it up."
Since you're making an explanation of techniques to folks who may have no idea about what's going on here, you'd better explain:
- Why do you cast a circle? What's that got to do with anything? (You're telling folks techniques but not meanings or the significance of what they're doing.) Does following a ritual without understanding its meaning do anything?
- Why keep your magic impliments and objects hidden?
- Why do you feel it is unwise to leave a circle for a prolonged time?
- What happens if you don't 'break the circle'?
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 |  Laura Stamps Neophyte

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Rob Mancebo said...
Daniel, Thanks for a lot of work on writing all of this up. For anyone writing a story that includes magic/magick, this is very helpful as including these techniques will add substantial reality to their story.
Before I add anything to this section though, I will point out that there are groups out there who completely believe that 'sacred space' or 'sacred places' are physical locations and are not affected by anything we might do here within the world. They seek out such places rather than try to create them. In the same way, I have to laugh when I am writing one of my novels. My fiction is classified as "magickal urban fantasy," but only because what seems like fantasy to most people is actually normal to a Psychic/Empathic Witch (me). And all the main characters in my novels are contemporary Witches. I spend a lot of time in those "sacred places" with "spirits" that most people think are fantasy and don't exist. But it is all very real to me, and part of my normal everyday life.
Thanks, too, Rob, for your comments about black and white magick and will and intent. I think most people who are not involved in the magickal arts don't realize when they pray for someone to do what they "want" them to do, they are applying black magick. I know they do this with the very best intentions. But the fact is they are messing with the will of another. More than that they are messing with Divine will and the destiny and karma of that person, which will all come back to them in negative ways they did not imagine.
I get more requests for love spells or love potions than anything else for the specific purpose of "making" someone fall in love with them. Wiccans don't do that, and most of these people don't understand when I tell them I can't do that. What I can do is give them a spell or ritual that will help them to become more "loving" people, if that is their wish. And a loving person is going to attract love, because "Like attracts Like" is a basic metaphysical law. So I give them something that will help them work with the laws of this world rather than against them.
This is one of the many things I love about Wicca and its focus on spiritual magick. In any case where I want a situation to go in a good way, and it involves other spirits (human or animal or whatever), all I have to do is pray or cast a spell that is according to the divine will of my Patron Goddess, knowing her will is in tune with the overall Divine Will. To do that you have to surrender your human will and understand we have no idea what is best for another. There may be hardships involved in that spirit's path that will help them gain greater good in her/his life. We just don't know. All I know is there is a Divine will that knows much more than I do about what is best for each person. So I can surrender to that in my spell or prayer and then forget about it, knowing whatever happens will eventually bring about the greatest good in that person's life. But lots of people have a hard time with that, they want the magick to be more specific. Well, it can't be more specific, because that kind of spell or prayer is the most tightly targeted spell one can cast for another. And it works every time. Even though you have no idea what hills and valleys the target will have to cross to get there. And you know what? That's none of my business. My busines is to spread the magickal power of love and to let it take whatever course the Divine will wants it to when it leaves me. That's why I said earlier I am "the dream." I am an empty tunnel, and the power of Divine love flows through me for my magick, and that's it. Plain and simple. Laura Stamps
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