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   Posted 7/6/2007 3:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Daniel said...

Slush parties are when a host of people not officially listed as editors or associates of a pub read through a pub's slush.

 For the sake of credit-where-credit's-due, they should be listed as guest editors or interns or otherwise noted in the publication credits. Duely noted as to whether in the guidelines or not. Even as consultants. But definitely listed. Everyone involved in reviewing submissions. Even if your dog chose a few for rejections by marking them, credit the pisser in the front matter or on the intro page. Anything less is unconscionable (listing them as anonymous is okay if they're really adamant about it, but try for names).


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   Posted 7/6/2007 3:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Even if your dog chose a few for rejections by marking them, credit the pisser in the front matter or on the intro page

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That's funny!! I think F&SF did have aclip on YouTube of a dog eating slush. or is that a slush-eating dog? Anyway I could be wrong I only heard about the clip through the grapevie I didn't waste my time trying to watch it.


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   Posted 7/6/2007 3:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The clip was of Van Gelder's infant son slobbering over the slush, if I recall correctly. I think Miss Snark posted it.


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   Posted 7/6/2007 3:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I stand corrected. Sorry.


"Art is the celebration of the ego's destruction."

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   Posted 7/6/2007 3:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Even at that age, the Van Gelder's drool over their fiction ;)


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   Posted 7/6/2007 3:27 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Even at that age, the Van Gelder's drool over their fiction ;)

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Ah, now I get it!

That's cute.


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   Posted 8/16/2007 1:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

There are a lot of responses to this post but what about the actually process of editing?

I'm in the process of having my novel edited and so far I am quite happy with the editor. Her comments are relevant and insightful and I think the novel will be better because of them. I am in Canada and she lives in Japn so we are corresponding via email. The ms is a Word file and her comments / edits show up using the track changes function in Word. Ditto for my changes and comments. It's a great way to edit a novel, at least for me. Comments are readable and easy to spot as you page through the document.

What are other peoples experiences in this regard? Do you feel your editor is 'adding value' (buzz word bingo anyone?), is the process of editing making the book better?

My answer is a definite yes.

 


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   Posted 8/16/2007 4:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Oh hell yeah, that's where the meat meets the metal in the writer/editor relationship. Asking for, and knowing how to get, just enough changes to make the final product perfect. It isn't easy and usually its not all that fun. The results though . . .
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   Posted 8/16/2007 4:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
erazmus said...
Oh hell yeah, that's where the meat meets the metal in the writer/editor relationship.
Meat meets the metal!?! LOL
 
I've never heard this expression before. It certainly conjures an interesting visual though. What is it referring to?


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   Posted 8/16/2007 6:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Presumably putting your foot on the gas pedal of your car. Am I right?


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   Posted 8/16/2007 10:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
a hamburger in the pan?

your palm slapping the butt/hilt of a Colt/Bowie?

brain matter abutts plate?


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   Posted 8/19/2007 12:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Medieval sword cutting through flesh?

Rods being surgically inserted in a bad back in order to support the spine?

A tongue licking the batter off an egg beater?

Barefoot runner stepping onto a metal ramp under a mid-summer sun?

Robert Orme


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   Posted 8/19/2007 1:43 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
strips of bacon sizzling in a cast-iron frying pan?


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   Posted 8/20/2007 1:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
mmmmm... bacon!


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   Posted 8/20/2007 9:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MichaelEhart said...
mmmmm... bacon!

Well if it's bacon, then sign me up! LOL


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   Posted 9/16/2007 2:11 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How about....
 
"You're writing is very interesting, but you're just not what we are looking for."
 
So what are you looking for?


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   Posted 9/17/2007 12:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

A pattern of that kind of non-communication might make for a bad editor, but a singular inciendent is thin evidence.

My condolences and sympathies, though. How does your submission line up to the guidelines? If you're too far off of center from theme, I'd like send something similar just to keep from venting. I've done it. "Great peice. Loved it. Can't use it. Just not what we're looking for." Usually carries a subtext of, "we're looking for folks who can read and follow the call for submissions and not send us tangential, though well-written and entertaining peices." OR "Wow. I have no reason to reject this other than the fact that it won't fit with what we've already chosen." OR "Gee. I have no reason to reject this other than the strange line in your intro letter claiming to have read our zine and I personally know you're never seen a copy as no one within three states has ever ordered from us."

Or: "My wife's nagging me to take out the trash, so I can't finish your story, but I want to be timely in rejecting it, so ... you're not what we're looking for, which is to say that that for which we seek is not you." "COMING Cindy! For gods' sakes! Get Joey off his damned gameboy and have him take out the stinking garbage!"


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   Posted 9/17/2007 1:48 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How about 'I like this, but I'm not sure how it fits into our publication. Would you mind enplaning how you see it fitting in?'


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   Posted 9/17/2007 3:31 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
crystalwizard said...
How about 'I like this, but I'm not sure how it fits into our publication. Would you mind enplaning how you see it fitting in?'
Leading into way too much time-consuming interaction with an author who didn't really meet the stated guidelines and wasted both the time of both parties.  I'll go with David's replies lol


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   Posted 9/17/2007 4:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Here's my major grief with this particular communication.

WHAT the HELL does YOU have to do with editors and writers in this particular relationship? NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHING! To make personal statements of value about anything BUT the work is very unprofessional.

"This is very interesting writing. But it is not what we had in mind; seems somewhat tangential to our stated guidelines."

NEVER: your writing or you are anything. Who is anyone to tell anyone else based on one interaction much of anything about them or their work? As editors, we talk about the writing. Never the person. Never the talent. It is business; we deal with the product. The only reason to have personal correspondence with an unfamiliar writer is for the sake of mentoring and building a new, reliable source of content. What a waste of time and energy. Forgivable, but stupid.

Eugene said...
How about....
 
"You're writing is very interesting, but you're just not what we are looking for."
 
So what are you looking for?


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That would be nice and fuzzy and friendly, but the editor who wrote that wanted to never see work from this author again. Or at least should expect to never hear from said author in any constructive manner. Better to just say, "Hey. Nice try. Enjoyed the writing. Sorry, but it does not fit our publication. Please wait 24 months to submit further work."

If the writer is serious, he or she should make serious strides in writing skills within two years. If they're not serious . . . they'll forget about you and likely submit something next time they scan Writer's Market and like the name of your publication or because they're playing shotgun submission.

crystalwizard said...
How about 'I like this, but I'm not sure how it fits into our publication. Would you mind enplaning how you see it fitting in?'


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   Posted 9/17/2007 4:20 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hermit said...
That would be nice and fuzzy and friendly, but the editor who wrote that wanted to never see work from this author again.


I was being silly :p

I thought of a better one:

"I'm sorry, but the carrier turtle got here too late with your submission and missed the deadline. We're still trying to figure out what the strange, brown goop on the first page might be."
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   Posted 9/17/2007 5:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You'd be surprised how many hard copy subs I get with mustard stains!
crystalwizard said...
Hermit said...
That would be nice and fuzzy and friendly, but the editor who wrote that wanted to never see work from this author again.


I was being silly :p

I thought of a better one:

"I'm sorry, but the carrier turtle got here too late with your submission and missed the deadline. We're still trying to figure out what the strange, brown goop on the first page might be."


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   Posted 9/18/2007 12:49 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hermit said...
You'd be surprised how many hard copy subs I get with mustard stains!
 
Alright already!  I'm getting tired of you making examples out of all my gaffes!


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I got a manuscript back one time from MZB with brownie crumbs between the pages.


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