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   Posted 3/1/2007 7:45 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Excellent idea.


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   Posted 3/1/2007 12:54 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Janrae, can I suggest that you and Dave privately work out something you can introduce yourself with so that he knows it's you on the other boards, and not your stalker?


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   Posted 2/28/2007 4:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can expect me to show up within the next few days.


Janrae Frank
I have no skeletons in my closet, they are all hanging from the yardarm.

Once there were three brothers, Brandrahoon the vampire, Isranon called the Dawnhand, speaker to spirits, and Waejonan the Accursed, first of sa’necari. Isranon defied his brothers and was destroyed, his descendants forced into the darkness.

Blood Rites
www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/eBook29989.htm
website
www.janraefrank.com
Darkzone
www.janraefrank.com/Vanilla.1.0.1/

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   Posted 2/28/2007 4:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'll be on the lookout for crazy stuff about you on REH Inner Circle. That's what I usually read. The mod there has no problems booting people off summarily.

I don't read the Conan.com forum as much, but I'll be on the lookout for crazy trolling.
-Dave


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   Posted 2/28/2007 3:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Right now, I mostly leave it to flamewar status when he starts in on me because I tried everything else. However, I try to stay aware of how far things might go, and look for damage control options when it looks like he is lunging into the dirty tricks again. At one point, his cousin, his mother, and his grandmother IM'd me. He's thirty years old.

Most recently was this threat concerning the Robert E. Howard Society. That followed on the heels of him approaching my publisher on IM pretending to be me, but his bad grammar is very conspicuous, so she was not deceived. That followed on his threats on several boards where I was posting, saying he would publish the original version of the Fandom Writer to humiliate me. Sigh.

The whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. The police in his home town have received phone calls from me, my publisher, and my agent to no avail.

I see now that this new threat is empty harassment, but it still aggravates me.

One of the biggest problems lies in a appellate court ruling that was laid down two years ago, that practically gave carte blanche to internet stalkers. The ruling, which involved a writer who was stalked in a similar manner on the internet, said -- in effect -- that because of the existence of spam filters and blocking and banning (which rarely works in the case of a determined stalker) that the responsibility for the continuation of the stalking lay with the victim, not the perpetrator.

It's a mess.


Janrae Frank
I have no skeletons in my closet, they are all hanging from the yardarm.

Once there were three brothers, Brandrahoon the vampire, Isranon called the Dawnhand, speaker to spirits, and Waejonan the Accursed, first of sa’necari. Isranon defied his brothers and was destroyed, his descendants forced into the darkness.

Blood Rites
www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/eBook29989.htm
website
www.janraefrank.com
Darkzone
www.janraefrank.com/Vanilla.1.0.1/

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   Posted 2/28/2007 1:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wow. This guy is absolutely nuts! I like your solution to the ugly phone calls, that's priceless.

Have you told your publisher all of this? It sounds pretty serious to me.


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   Posted 2/28/2007 12:34 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I contacted my publisher and she says that if it starts to look serious she will take care of it. He just made the main accusatory post private and I think Brian Keene must have weighed in on it because Looney also accused Keene of plagiarism.

One of the serious complications seems to be that a) he's on SSI for a mental disability; b) the police who I have spoken to following numerous physical threats against myself and my daughter refuse to take it seriously; c) civil suits are very expensive.

I have reported him for TOS violations at various places and so far gotten him removed in four different places.

He has a very bad reputation with the goth community and after burning those bridges, he moved into the horror community and now he is trying to move into fantasy and science fiction. It is getting to where I can't go anyplace on the web without him showing up soon after.

I guess I was really naive about the web when I first encountered him. A friend had suggested that I join up at gothic.net in late 2003. He immediately approached me asking me to read his work. I pointed out that his grammar needed work and suggested Strunk and White. I thought that was the end of it until April of 2004 when I got a series of ugly emails from him. I fired back at him and again thought that was the end of it. Then he joined HWA on June 14th of 2004 and immediately went after me again. An editor I was courting at the time asked me "Have you seen this?" and to my utter horror, I found that he had been posting, all those months from 2003 on, across the net about me. He wrote a short story using my name for the character in which he accused me of plagiarizing him and writing fan fiction.

The problem was, and this worked in my favor, he thought I wrote horror. I don't. The only thing I had out at the point was my story from Amazons in 1979 that I had up at my website.

He emailed most of the pros at HWA bragging about what he had done to me. I left the organization because of him. He posted my unlisted phone number, which he got from the HWA directory on the web, resulting in a series of ugly phone calls. I dealt with the calls by describing the details of animal vivisections into the phone and they stopped happening.

Last September he was expelled from HWA for abusing the membership, including Ellen Datlow, who he called the foulest of names when she tried to get him to calm down.

One author got a cease and desist order against him, and he claims to have used the papers he was sent by the authorities to line the bottom of a bird cage.


Janrae Frank
I have no skeletons in my closet, they are all hanging from the yardarm.

Once there were three brothers, Brandrahoon the vampire, Isranon called the Dawnhand, speaker to spirits, and Waejonan the Accursed, first of sa’necari. Isranon defied his brothers and was destroyed, his descendants forced into the darkness.

Blood Rites
www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/eBook29989.htm
website
www.janraefrank.com
Darkzone
www.janraefrank.com/Vanilla.1.0.1/

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Dave Hardy
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   Posted 2/28/2007 12:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sorry to hear about all this. Slinking about like a damned jackal and biting at people's heels on-line is pretty low. It's got to be enormously frustrating, sane people with work to do have little time to pursue skunks like that as they deserve.

If only you could hire the services of a vengeful lunatic to put your stalker in his place, you'd be able to go about your business. Hmmmm.... This could be a profitable side-business...

Odd that it is sexual orientation that this pin-head has fastened on. Lesbianism was something of a recurring theme in REH's work; from championing Sappho's poetry to Harold Preece to Valeria of the Red Brotherhood (admittedly she was not a VERY obvious lesbian, maybe she had to fly under Farnsworth Wright's radar).

Of course bizarre and pointless feuds are not exactly unknown in REH Fandom either. I think we just get used to them after a while. Usually (not always) they die down. Get a six-pack or two of Shiner in me sometime and I'll tell some stories!

-Dave


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   Posted 2/28/2007 12:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The stalker who has been trying to hurt me professionally since late 2003 just hit on a new scheme.

***

2003?!! This guy is loony--- who holds a grudge that long?
 
Dude, whoever you are, stop stalking Janrae and GET A LIFE!


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   Posted 2/28/2007 12:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
For that matter, if he wants to report someone, he needs to report Wierd Al, for his character of Conan the Librarian.

Just about all of Howards works are in the public domain at this point anyway. Here's an interesting page:

http://www.robert-e-howard.org/AnotherThought4ws02.html

I see you've got a post about him on your LJ page, you may want to contact a copyright lawyer, discuss the situation and then make some public posts about the man and what sort of legal recourse you are considering taking against him.

That's up to you though. Your rep might suffer more from doing that, than from anything he'd post.


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   Posted 2/28/2007 12:01 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks! It is stressful. He finds ways to circumvent my filters, uses a variety of identities that are evident from his bad grammar. Recently he attempted to post as me on some boards that I don't frequent, but the grammar was so bad that it was clear it was him and I had no trouble getting the admins to remove the acct. He tried to first get my publisher to drop me and then he tried to get fictionwise to stop carrying my books. He posted a review of one of my books on amazon.com in which he told me to burn in hell. I got that taken down. He got my LJ suspended at one point, but I was able to explain the situation and get it back.

It gets very tiring. I have gotten in the habit of double-checking things whenever he starts making threats again.


Janrae Frank
I have no skeletons in my closet, they are all hanging from the yardarm.

Once there were three brothers, Brandrahoon the vampire, Isranon called the Dawnhand, speaker to spirits, and Waejonan the Accursed, first of sa’necari. Isranon defied his brothers and was destroyed, his descendants forced into the darkness.

Blood Rites
www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/eBook29989.htm
website
www.janraefrank.com
Darkzone
www.janraefrank.com/Vanilla.1.0.1/

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   Posted 2/28/2007 11:45 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There is a Robert E. Howard Foundation. Since I'm a drinking buddy of their point man, Paul Herman, consider yourself reported.

Plagarizing REH? I'm no copyright lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that protection extends solely to characters and actual written passages. Otherwise we're all plagarizing Homer or the Bible or something. Shoot, I think I re-wrote "Worms of the Earth" the other day (rather poorly, I confess), and I didn't even really mean to...

I know that's not really the point. Even if a threat is so baseless as to be ludicrous, it is still stressful just to find that someone is enough of a looney to make a threat to you. Anyway, mosey on over to REHInner Circle on yahoo or Conan.com sometime. We hardly ever bite. And by hardly ever, I mean that not more than once or twice a week.

-Dave
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   Posted 2/28/2007 11:37 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ignore him. Even if such a society existed, what could they possibly do? Howard is in the public domain.

Put him in your spam filters and let your mail drop him into the trash automatically.


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   Posted 2/28/2007 11:12 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
cussedness said...
I just want to double check my facts before I stomp someone. The stalker who has been trying to hurt me professionally since late 2003 just hit on a new scheme. He has now threatened to email the "Robert E. Howard Society" to tell them that "a crazed dyke [me] is butchering his stories." By which he went on to explain was because I was "plagiarizing Howard."

Now it has long been clear that this idiot has never even read my material. However, in order to assess just how much inconvenience he might cause me this time, I wanted to know if such a group really exists. His main problem seems to be with my sexual orientation.


Sorry you're getting crap from this idiot. Plagarizing Howard? Who hasn't? Does this nut run out to protect Tolkien from Wizards of the Coast?

He might be referring to REHupa which just relaunched their web presence.

www.rehupa.com

Or, maybe he's referring to the forums or the newsgroups via www.conan.com. Sounds to me like he probably doesn't even know what constitutes a "society."


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   Posted 2/28/2007 10:32 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hell, if he wants to report someone for plagiarizing Howard then he might as well add me to the list an' all!!

More seriously though - I think that there are quite a few fan sites devoted to Howard but I'm not sure if there is an official Howard Society.

Your stalker sounds like a complete and utter a**hole.


 
 

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   Posted 2/28/2007 9:00 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I just want to double check my facts before I stomp someone. The stalker who has been trying to hurt me professionally since late 2003 just hit on a new scheme. He has now threatened to email the "Robert E. Howard Society" to tell them that "a crazed dyke [me] is butchering his stories." By which he went on to explain was because I was "plagiarizing Howard."

Now it has long been clear that this idiot has never even read my material. However, in order to assess just how much inconvenience he might cause me this time, I wanted to know if such a group really exists. His main problem seems to be with my sexual orientation.


Janrae Frank
I have no skeletons in my closet, they are all hanging from the yardarm.

Once there were three brothers, Brandrahoon the vampire, Isranon called the Dawnhand, speaker to spirits, and Waejonan the Accursed, first of sa’necari. Isranon defied his brothers and was destroyed, his descendants forced into the darkness.

Blood Rites
www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/eBook29989.htm
website
www.janraefrank.com
Darkzone
www.janraefrank.com/Vanilla.1.0.1/

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