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 |  Daniel Carl Jung's Waterboy

       Date Joined Aug 2003 Total Posts : 4515 | Posted 6/15/2006 6:35 PM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
 |  darkbow Rabbit lord

       Date Joined Oct 2005 Total Posts : 1586 | Posted 6/15/2006 6:39 PM (GMT -4) |   | Not sure I quite understand the problem. Why would 61 pounds be a big deal? Two suitcases, filled with thirty pounds apiece, could carry the load.
Now, whether the Mali bank has that much cash on hand ... that's a different situation. Does it have to be cash? | | Back to Top | | |
 |  nathan Sage

       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 2111 | Posted 6/15/2006 7:09 PM (GMT -4) |   | |
One man is wounded and stuck in a remote and extremely isolated location. There is a river nearby, the clock is running down. According to my CIA World Fact book the river (the Komoe in Burkina Faso) could support a seaplane.
The rescue is coming from a few hundred miles away (Bamako the capital of Mali which is one of the bottom 5 poorest countires in the world), helicopter not an option. Only this is an unexpected twist so no one in the support group had planned on a seaplane contingency.
Their under the gun and need to be bold. Solution. As good American's they throw money at the problem. The Niger river (3rd largest in Africa) runs through Bamako. It would be acceptable that a person would have a seaplane.
Only this isn't Tampa or Seattle or something, the idea that they could just walk into a dealer and fly away in fifteen minutes seems too much deuxma machina (excuse my frantic spelling). So I want them to make a seaplane owner an offer they can't resfuse. Twice the value of the plane (about 450k) in cash for the ignition keys.
I also don't want to take what might be a complicated financial transfer in a counrty like Mali and make it seem so easy readers go "oh, BS!"
Because of the plot parameters a tech trade is out. Diamonds are rife in the area as Liberia floods the region with blackmarket stones to get around UN sanctions -- as does Sierria Leone. But if the average person was offer a cool mil in stones would they be comfortable enough as a gemologist to know the rocks weren't cubic zirconium?
Maybe they should just steal the plane. Streamlines everything I guess.
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 |  darkbow Rabbit lord

       Date Joined Oct 2005 Total Posts : 1586 | Posted 6/15/2006 8:35 PM (GMT -4) |   | | I was thinking steal the plane, or "borrow" it while leaving behind a promisary note of some kind. Also, (I'm guessing this is for a Bolan novel) would the bad guys maybe have a seaplane for some reason? Maybe Mack or whomever could just shoot their way to the plane and take off in it. | | Back to Top | | |
  |  PaulMc Adept

       Date Joined May 2005 Total Posts : 990 | Posted 6/16/2006 7:47 AM (GMT -4) |   | erazmus said... While huge cash transfers are prominent in the drug trade, no one else need use them if they don't mind the electronic trail left by virtual money. Without going into details, it is probable cash could be found, a million dollars is not that much even in the third world. They are not poor because no one has money, they are poor because all the money is concentrated in very few hands. In other words, American Express works in these situations. Plane oweners in the third world usually make their incomes, or part of them, chartering their planes. They will be set up to use plastic. It worked for Jack Ryan in Columbia in _Clear and Present Danger_.
Good point.
On the other hand, stealing the plane makes even more action sequences, right?
Even better - the pilot tries to screw him out of his money. Suspense and action. He goes through the money hoops and still needs to steal the plane!
-- Paul McNamee
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 |  MichaelEhart Sage

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 2315 | Posted 6/16/2006 12:20 PM (GMT -4) |   | Yeah, I'm with Paul--- buy it (wire transfer would work for nearly everyone, or as Mike says Amex (don't leave Mali without it!) and then have to steal it anyway, cause some drug or gem or gunrunner baddies make a bigger offer after the fact. Then you get even more baddies to wax. "The View from the Shotglass Floor" T. N. Thomas' TimeFlash, August 2006
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     |  nathan Sage

       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 2111 | Posted 6/16/2006 2:25 PM (GMT -4) |   | It would work. I avoid using it for a couple of reasons, some more sound than others.
In the original thought process we were talking about a nealy a million dollars. A money order for a million dollars? Okay, Steve Forbes sends Donald Trump a money order for a million dollars they have a real estate transaction and Donald's bank accepts Steve's money order.
Is a grease monkey or shady pilot in a 3rd world country going to walk into a bank in a repressive regime and turn that over with no problem? Maybe, but it feels wrong somehow to me. Also this was a bribe designed to get the person to circumvent normal procedures and simply hand over the keys to a plane, no questions ask. For emotional impact on this suspiscious businessman a pile of cash shoved in his face seemed to have a little more oomph.
Also this operation is black. A system of money tracking, identification requirments and bank records now leaves a money trail that could point to where a plane used in a shootout within the borders of a soverign nation came from. How did the guy picking up the wire transfer prove himself to bank clerks? They wont just take his word for it. Did he show a passport or other photo ID? Are copies made in transactions over a certain amount which would show the picture? Ect, ect. Then the money order would have to be cashed by the person it was given to. A paper trail linking plane to owner, owner to buyer, buyer to illegal operation, operator to a photo ID involved in an unusual business transaction. A complicated 'black' financial network would have to be put in place.
Now it is simply a matter of bribing a local aircraft mechanic to perform a perfectly legal conversion on a plane already 'clean' for operational purposes: immediately. A cashier check or money order from the state bank to cover the cost plus generous bundle of cash to get them to do it right now seems a lot less fraught with potential anti-money laundering procedures than walking into a bank in a crap-hole country in Africa and walking out with 60+ lbs of cash.
So, I think, a money order could work, but not for black ops, because of the clear paper trail. VIEW IMAGE
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   |  darkbow Rabbit lord

       Date Joined Oct 2005 Total Posts : 1586 | Posted 6/16/2006 4:03 PM (GMT -4) |   | Oh man, I would love to have Bolan gun me down. I'll be a gun runner, drug dealer, mobster, whatever it takes! Nathan, if you can pull it off, the name is Ty Johnston. If not, no hard feelings. I'm already planning to buy all the Executioner books you write anyway. And it's been a good while since I've looked in on Mack to see what he's been up to. | | Back to Top | | |
  |  Scott M. Sandridge Former King of Shameless Plugs

       Date Joined Dec 2005 Total Posts : 683 | Posted 6/23/2006 4:33 AM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
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