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   Posted 11/29/2007 1:21 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Scott M. Sandridge said...
I doubt he'll accomplish everything he wants to while in office (few Presidents ever do), but I look at it this way:
 
What's the alternative other than an all-out violent overthrow before our country turns into Nazi Germany?  
 

Um, there are very few trends I see in terms of the US turning into anything remotely resembling Nazi Germany.   Nazi Germany basically put its entire military-industrial complex at the disposal of the government.   What the US has done in the post-Reagan, post-Cold War years is the percise opposite of that.

America has a lot of problems - trade deficit, personal debt, resource shortages - but the idea that removing the IRS will somehow be an improvement is... interesting.   If you want to live in a rehash of the 18th century, some balmy dream of the frontier/pioneer nation of omni-competent self-reliant outdoorsmen, yes, get rid of taxation.   If you actually want to live in a world with electricity and running water, you may find things need to be handled a little differently.

 

 


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   Posted 11/29/2007 9:10 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
EdK said...
 And the rich do not pay their fair share.
 
Define "rich," if you would. Income above what level?
 
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   Posted 11/27/2007 6:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I definitely agree with you on that.

In addition to following RP's campaign, me (and many of his supporters) are paying close attention to which politicians come out and endorse him, etc. whether they be Repubs, Dems, Libertarians or whichever, so we can make a list on who to vote for if any of them decide to run for Congress or Senate, etc. (or try to keep in if they're already there).

I doubt he'll accomplish everything he wants to while in office (few Presidents ever do), but I look at it this way:
 
What's the alternative other than an all-out violent overthrow before our country turns into Nazi Germany? Which might be likely, 'cause Bush and Congress has managed to do something no President in history was ever stupid enough to do (other than pass draconic laws and executive orders that would've made Hitler as giddy as a schoolboy)--unite %80 of the country against them, including all the militias.
 
 
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   Posted 11/27/2007 12:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sorry, very late for me when I wrote. He's welcome to abolish the IRS, but until his like have control of the executive branch, fighting the IRS in court will find you in the position of the Supreme Court in the days of Andy Jackson-- Deciding an issue and enforcing the decision are two different things.
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   Posted 11/26/2007 8:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

And the word you're looking for to describe what you believe in (which, by the way, is also the Constitutional view) is Anti-Federalism. Federalism supports a large central government at the expense of the individual States. Anti-Federalism supports a small central government and allows the States their Constitutional rights.

When Ron Paul talks about the Fed, he's talking about the Federal government, not the State governments. And other times he's just referring to the Federal Reserve System in particular.

 

 
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   Posted 11/26/2007 7:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Even though the Supreme Court stated in 2003 that the 16th Amendment was never ratified by the required number of states to make it a legal amendment? Even though the Tax Code uses the term "voluntary compliance" instead of "mandatory requirement"? Even though three Supreme Court Rulings in 1916, 1917, and 1919 (none of which have been overturned) stated that the 16th Amendment does not give the government any new powers of taxation not already allowed by the Constitution and that a direct, unapportioned tax is Unconstitutional?

Also the Supreme Court defined income in the Constitution as Capital Gains and defined monies earned from labor or a service to be private property.

And why have so few been able to fight the IRS over this issue? Well, kind of hard to hire a good lawyer when the IRS just siezes everything you own and the smaller courts don't allow you to defend yourself with the above Supreme Court rulings.

Given the dubious nature of its legality, the IRS can be done away with by a single executive order.
 
Especially since they can never show a law that requires you to pay it in the first place. Everyone who asks gets ignored.


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   Posted 11/25/2007 10:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have to say I like Ron Pau's ideas. But a caveat-- I believe in fedralism . . . tha means the individual states as sovreign entities not subordinate to a central national authority. That also means states not reliant on the national governmant for their wherewithal, and not answerable to it for those areas of government not clearly under the ageis of the national government. That means law enforcement, education, etc.
Paul's weakness with his tax plan is that he lumps the IRS and the US government in with that of the fifty states. Even if he were elected president with a clear majority of support in congress, that congress would not have the authority to implement his plan.
Thus, he's a screwball. No matter how nice his ideas sound.
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   Posted 11/19/2007 8:42 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm ready for a strong third party candidate. I don't like any of the current choices. I'll check this guy out. Thanks.


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   Posted 11/18/2007 9:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I had a big long post, and wouldn't you know it, the blasted wireless wonked out on me. mad

Check out www.ronpaul2008.com

You might not agree with everything about the guy, but I bet you'll like him way better than any of the current candidates. People from all political persuasions are rallying to the guy: conservatives, liberals, Libertarians, Democrats, Republicans, hehe even anarchists like me. devil


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   Posted 11/18/2007 7:48 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, if you've studied much history, Washington, Adams, and most certainly Jefferson all felt the same way. Jefferson was under a great deal of pressure to raise taxes in order to pay for a standing army and a navy. He refused to pay for either, instead leaving the nation's defenses up to individual state militias and a sort of makeshift coast gaurd. I believe Madison was the first to start a standing military and navy. It was under his administration that the US built the first six ships in our navy. And that required higher taxes. That stuff did come in handy around 1812 when the British were impressing US citizens into naval duty and boarding our merchant ships without cause.

I do believe that some taxes are a necessary evil. But we've gone way overboard in this country. And the rich do not pay their fair share. For that matter, neither do the poor. An unfair portion of the burden is carried by the working class American, and that ticks me off. I'm a supporter of a flat income tax with no wiggle room. You make 10k you pay 1k. You make 1 million, you pay 100,000. 10% seems fair, certainly no more. Then each state should get a portion of that (2-3% of the amount paid by state residents, maybe) and that's it. No sales tax, property tax, no wheel tax, fuel tax, hunting/fishing licenses... nothing else.  If everybody pays 10% there should be enough to go around. If not, the government is spending too much (hence, balanced budget).
 
We have to pay for roads, education, some degree of military defense... I'm willing to pay my part for the things that must be paid for and willing to pay taxes to do it. But our goverment takes too much and spends too much.


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   Posted 11/17/2007 8:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Ron Paul supporters did a November 5th fund drive in honor of the movie, V for Vendetta, and he wound up with 4.3 million in a single day. They plan to do an even bigger one on Dec. 15th in honor of the Boston Tea Party.

Oh, and with Ron Paul, you won't have to worry about those taxes, because he plans to eliminate the IRS and replace it with nothing. Like I said, my kinda candidate. cool


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   Posted 11/16/2007 10:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Man, do I ever hate taxes. I'd drive to Boston with a truck load of Lipton if I thought it would do any good. I can't watch the video from my home computer (dialup is just too darn slow for video) and I'm not sure what's on it. But I do hate taxes.


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   Posted 11/13/2007 10:34 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Think we might need another one? I've noticed a lot of people on YouTube seem to think so.
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'Bout time there was a candidate who hates the IRS as much as I do. With any luck we won't have to choose between Galactus and Apocalypse this coming election.


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