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|  tchernabyelo Acolyte
        Date Joined Oct 2006 Total Posts : 474 | Posted 11/29/2007 1:21 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Scott M. Sandridge said...
I doubt he'll accomplish everything he wants to while in office (few Presidents ever do), but I look at it this way:
What's the alternative other than an all-out violent overthrow before our country turns into Nazi Germany?
Um, there are very few trends I see in terms of the US turning into anything remotely resembling Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany basically put its entire military-industrial complex at the disposal of the government. What the US has done in the post-Reagan, post-Cold War years is the percise opposite of that.
America has a lot of problems - trade deficit, personal debt, resource shortages - but the idea that removing the IRS will somehow be an improvement is... interesting. If you want to live in a rehash of the 18th century, some balmy dream of the frontier/pioneer nation of omni-competent self-reliant outdoorsmen, yes, get rid of taxation. If you actually want to live in a world with electricity and running water, you may find things need to be handled a little differently.
Brian Dolton
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   |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 4554 | Posted 11/27/2007 12:29 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
  |  Scott M. Sandridge Former King of Shameless Plugs

       Date Joined Dec 2005 Total Posts : 714 | Posted 11/26/2007 7:56 PM (GMT -5) |   | Even though the Supreme Court stated in 2003 that the 16th Amendment was never ratified by the required number of states to make it a legal amendment? Even though the Tax Code uses the term "voluntary compliance" instead of "mandatory requirement"? Even though three Supreme Court Rulings in 1916, 1917, and 1919 (none of which have been overturned) stated that the 16th Amendment does not give the government any new powers of taxation not already allowed by the Constitution and that a direct, unapportioned tax is Unconstitutional?
Also the Supreme Court defined income in the Constitution as Capital Gains and defined monies earned from labor or a service to be private property.
And why have so few been able to fight the IRS over this issue? Well, kind of hard to hire a good lawyer when the IRS just siezes everything you own and the smaller courts don't allow you to defend yourself with the above Supreme Court rulings.
Given the dubious nature of its legality, the IRS can be done away with by a single executive order.
Especially since they can never show a law that requires you to pay it in the first place. Everyone who asks gets ignored. Distant Passages: Volume 1
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    |  Edward Knight Jack of all Trades and Master of None

       Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 1050 | Posted 11/18/2007 7:48 PM (GMT -5) |   | Well, if you've studied much history, Washington, Adams, and most certainly Jefferson all felt the same way. Jefferson was under a great deal of pressure to raise taxes in order to pay for a standing army and a navy. He refused to pay for either, instead leaving the nation's defenses up to individual state militias and a sort of makeshift coast gaurd. I believe Madison was the first to start a standing military and navy. It was under his administration that the US built the first six ships in our navy. And that required higher taxes. That stuff did come in handy around 1812 when the British were impressing US citizens into naval duty and boarding our merchant ships without cause.
I do believe that some taxes are a necessary evil. But we've gone way overboard in this country. And the rich do not pay their fair share. For that matter, neither do the poor. An unfair portion of the burden is carried by the working class American, and that ticks me off. I'm a supporter of a flat income tax with no wiggle room. You make 10k you pay 1k. You make 1 million, you pay 100,000. 10% seems fair, certainly no more. Then each state should get a portion of that (2-3% of the amount paid by state residents, maybe) and that's it. No sales tax, property tax, no wheel tax, fuel tax, hunting/fishing licenses... nothing else. If everybody pays 10% there should be enough to go around. If not, the government is spending too much (hence, balanced budget).
We have to pay for roads, education, some degree of military defense... I'm willing to pay my part for the things that must be paid for and willing to pay taxes to do it. But our goverment takes too much and spends too much.
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