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|  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 4554 | Posted 4/17/2007 4:20 PM (GMT -5) |   | Well, the news at VT yesterday certainly wasn't good.
While I'm aghast at the acions taken by Mr. Cho Seung Hui, I am even more appaled by some of the background covered in the news articles. Mr. Cho was a senior majoring in english, and the only professor who could recall having him in class was a creative writing instructor who was so disturbed by the images in his writing she refeered him to counciling. No wonder this kid snapped.
While authorities withhold details while searching for evidence of an accomplice-- a rediculous notion when the primary suspect was at the school for nearly four years and they can't locate a single student who ever even spoke to him. If Cho had had an accomplice he probably wouldn't have gone off his nut to begin with. He'd apparently been a sulking loner since grade school and his one attempt to reach out to people, his writing, got him punished. That instructor who was so upset by his writing should have given him the submission addy for Chizine-- a little recognition and praise may have ameliorated years of self imposed isolation and abuse.
I don't teach at the college level. Nick, you teach creative writing at a college. Have you ever been tempted to send a student off to a shrink over a story they wrote? Is disturbing imagery considered off limits? Could you send a major in your department off to counciling with no follow up of your own?
Obviously this Cho was a ticking time bomb, but I think his creative writing efforts are fairly perifrial to the story. His isolation, on a campus of twenty-nine thousand students, seems more telling to me. He'd set a fire in a dorm room, he'd stalked some women. I guess that wasn't enough to get him in any real trouble. I wonder if this whole tradgedy could have been avoided by someone showing the slightest interest in Cho while all this was building. Probably not, but maybe.
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  |  Christopher_Heath Eternal Champion

       Date Joined Oct 2005 Total Posts : 1156 | Posted 4/17/2007 5:43 PM (GMT -5) |   | Mike,
I agree that maybe he shouldn't have been referred to counciling for his writing alone, but maybe that teacher saw something in him on a personal level that made him/her reach a decision to refer him to counciling. Obviously, he needed it, and a whole lot more. You could look at it as the teacher shooting down in his art, or you can look at it as someone reaching out and caring about him. He obviously didn't care about others, and I don't think we should throw a pity party for him just yet. If you can't make any friends on a campus of 29,000, it's probably because you make yourself so weird and anti-social that nobody wants to be your friend. Plenty of nerds have friends, and yeah, people are cruel sometimes and some people will never be social butterflies, but that's reality. I feel sorry for school kids that get picked on, but as far as adults, you should have learned how to handle yourself and if you want to make friends, I think it's possible for pretty much anyone. Hell, there's internet forums like this one. He could have made friends here or any other message board. Maybe that's not the same, but it's a form of social interaction. He's probably had a tough life, sure, and that is a contributing factor to his mental state, but first and foremost I think the blame lies with him. I am not outraged in the least that a loner weirdo with psychological problems isn't making friends. Would you want your own children befriending someone like this? Maybe it was a chemical imbalance there as well, but all the same, some people just aren't wired up right, and these things happen. Mothers murder their children, people go on shooting rampages, etc. These things happen, and I don't think the burden lies on the general population to make strange people part of their cliques. I have four daughters, and if any of them were hanging around a guy that I knew had been in trouble for stalking, I'd make damn sure he doesn't come anywhere near my children. And if that guy ended up as the gunman of a mass slaying, instead of wondering how I could have reached out to get involved, I'd just be thankful if my children weren't hurt in the process. Maybe I'm being callous, but these actions are so outside the realm of what one expects from a human being, that using hindsight to say "it could have been prevented with compassion" just doesn't cut it. Killing himself alone, that would be deserving of compassion. Killing random people and destroying lives doesn't deserve any compassion and I think this guy is the lowest of the low. Christopher M. Heath
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 |  Pamela J. Dodd Neophyte

       Date Joined Sep 2006 Total Posts : 75 | Posted 4/17/2007 8:30 PM (GMT -5) |   | As a teacher of English at the high school level for many years, and now at the college level, I can sympathize with the teacher who chose to seek help from the school counseling staff. Indeed, I have done it a time or two. This is a difficult call, because fiction should be considered separate from the author. I have written conflicts which I would not want to experience, nor would I want anyone else to experience them. And yet, I am quite normal, and the scenes are just a means to move a plot along and nothing more. It is natural to view a student's writing the same way.
However, there are times when certain scenes can make the reader wonder about the writer. Sometimes the reader just gets a feeling that there is something beyond the mere creation of conflict, and that there might be a disturbed person behind the words. Without any training to speak of in this area (all of my degrees are in English!) you have to use the tools available, and on most campuses, there is some sort of counseling staff.
I don't think anyone could have predicted with any certainty that this young man would carry out his violent fantasies. The teacher who read his work and sought help did the right thing with the tools available, I am sure. This is just a really unfortunate incident which reminds us that there is a dark side to the human psyche. Pamela J. Dodd www.pamelajdodd.com http://pamspages.blogspot.com/ | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Jim Stratton Acolyte

       Date Joined Oct 2006 Total Posts : 296 | Posted 4/17/2007 9:57 PM (GMT -5) |   | My son is at VT, and we're headed down tomorrow to bring him home for a few days.
As to Cho, there was confusion at first if he was the shooter at both incidents. The witnesses told police that the shooter at the dorm shooting was not oriental. And the reports are replete with efforts different people made to connect with him. He lived in a dorm room with several other students, and his own roommates reported that he never talked with them. Same with the other students in his creative writing class. The professor who taught the writing class reported that he would not respond to her direct questions at times, and ususally would only respond to questions in writing. This was a truely strange fellow. Sadly, he was allowed to legally purchase the two handguns he used over the month before all this, so there was nothing to alert police that he was planning something this horrific.
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 |  Nicholas Sage

       Date Joined Jun 2006 Total Posts : 1061 | Posted 4/18/2007 2:41 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Erazmus said... I don't teach at the college level. Nick, you teach creative writing at a college. Have you ever been tempted to send a student off to a shrink over a story they wrote? Is disturbing imagery considered off limits? Could you send a major in your department off to counciling with no follow up of your own?
Mike, I've never yet received work from a student that made me question his/her sanity, so I can only speculate. If I thought a student was really troubled, though, I'm pretty sure I'd follow up on it.
As far as leniency on disturbing images, I've always found creative writing profs to be a fairly liberal bunch (heh--I'm remembering stories I turned in to my creative writing profs). This raises an interesting question, though. Paul mentioned King, Poe, and Bierce, "mass murderers" one and all--on paper. Following up on Paul's point, I recall an article by King (actually, I've even assigned it to classes) on why we enjoy reading--and King enjoys writing--horror. One of the arguments he makes is that it is an act of "feeding the alligators" that lurk down in the dark recesses of our primitive brain. A kind of therapy, throwing some meat to the beast in us so that what we may be capable of is kept caged safely in the imagination.
Now, I've read a good deal of King--and Poe, and Bierce, and a score of other horror writers--and I've never thought, "Oh my god, this writer wants to commit these sick acts." When reading "The Tell-Tale Heart," I am impressed by Poe's ability to imagine the fevered thoughts of a lunatic but don't suspect Poe himself was likely to have killed his own uncle. Somehow, as a reader, I sense that these are rational (more-or-less) minds conveying the demented and the irrational. So, here's the question I'm getting at: has anyone ever read an author and felt they were coming in contact with a truly disturbed mind--that the wall between what was portrayed on the page and what the author him/herself was capable of was a very thin one?
My guess is that there is something in Cho's writing that rings alarm bells--alarms that are not set off when we read King's description of Johnny going on a rampage and trying to chop up his wife and son with an axe. www.myspace.com/Ropespor
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 |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 4554 | Posted 4/18/2007 2:46 AM (GMT -5) |   | Jim, I'm glad your son is okay, I hope this hasn't shook him too hard.
I wrote the first post while things were still under reported, I'd only read the first of the background reports, and those are often sketchy or wrong.
I can't say I've much sympathy for Cho, really, but it just pissed me off that his writing was the first thing that came up. I don't think the gun purchases are at all meaningful. Weapons are fairly easy to come by, leagally or not so, and I know of no place on earth you can't obtain them if you want them. The mayor of Nagasaki was shot to death on the street today, and Japan has the most draconian of gun laws in the western world. I lived there for five years and even though I did not speak the language much at all, I knew where I could get a gun, if I had cash. I'm a journeymen machinist and I know how to make one, a good one, in less than thirty hours using less than five thousand dollars of easily obtainable equipment. Heck, in pakistan they make automatic weapons by hand, with a forge and files, that work just fine. Its not the guns-- though with the fire and stalking incidents you'd think someone would cast an eye at the leagal purchace of pistols, but I don't think that, over a couple of months, would have prevented the incident.
Mike Michael D. Turner "Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books www.baen.com "Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6 www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm
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 |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 4554 | Posted 4/18/2007 2:59 AM (GMT -5) |   | Nick, I have tutored prison inmates, people I know are capable of and have done some horrific things, but most were functionally semi-literate at best and the work didn't convey much of a sense of anything that sinister, though there wasn't mush fiction involved.
I've read the writings of serial killers fairly extensively (part of a research project for a story, I may get back to it someday) but they are just about the opposite of Cho and his ilk. Serial killers streatch their deeds out over months and years, even decades, while managing to maintain a facsade of normality. Spree killers I've paid less attention to because they are generally less interesting. They don't care if they live or die, and most don't survive their spree, most take no steps to even try to; except Whitman, who barricaded himself in a good shooting position. The others confront the world in an open act of savagery that often ends with the first person who effectivly meets their violence with violence. Other than the after-action report there isn't much to go into, they invaribly had a history of troubles and gave signs that nobody could have picked up before the fact, but everything is compressed.
Mike Michael D. Turner "Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books www.baen.com "Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6 www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm
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  |  Xangis Xenophrenologist

       Date Joined Apr 2007 Total Posts : 59 | Posted 4/18/2007 8:11 AM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
  |  Stuart Clark Alien Trapper

       Date Joined Jan 2007 Total Posts : 135 | Posted 4/18/2007 11:04 AM (GMT -5) |   | Writing alone probably isn't a reason to single him out (If that was the case, half of what makes it to theatre screens is written by nutcases), but in context with the rest of his behaviour, it's hard not to see the red flags and wonder why action wasn't taken earlier. An English major who sits in class and says nothing? Hardly seems right does it?
I'd heard a story that he set a fire in his dorm room at some point. The kid should have been ejected from College for that act alone. That would have been the end of it. Period. (Unless he'd harbored a grudge and come back).
I've lived in the US two years now, and in that time, there's been three shootings I can recall, the Amish community in PA, the two girls on another campus and now this - that's in two years. In the time I spent living in the UK (33 years), I can only recall two mass shooting incidents. Hungerford, and one in Scotland.
Bottom line is, I think, you guys gotta get some gun control. You can't own a gun in the UK (legally) unless you're a registered member of a gun club and hold a licence for said gun. It's all very well pointing fingers after the event and asking how it could have been prevented, but if anyone can walk into a gun store and buy a gun - you can't stop someone doing something like this if they're hell bent on it.
The "constitutional right to bear arms" is no excuse to fall back on. If you want to live by that sword, then innocent lives will die by that sword. And it will happen again, and again, and again. A comment reported on the news this morning from the pro-gun advocates was "Well if someone else on campus had owned a gun they could have stopped him." I can't believe what I'm hearing.
Interestingly enough, one of the news channels looked into whether it was legal for a resident alien to own a gun - and it is. So basically anyone entering the country can buy a gun. Homeland Security. Say what????
Jim, I'm glad your son is safe, and like so many others I'm appalled at the events at VT and my deepest sympathies go out to all those affected by the tragedy. There is a simple solution though. Stop making it easy for people to get hold of guns.
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 |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 4554 | Posted 4/18/2007 1:36 PM (GMT -5) |   | Basicly Stuart, we want to live by the sword. There are three hundred million people living here, over a hundred million of them own some sort of fire arm. As compared to the ten thousand or so shooting club members having limited access to firearms in your country. We don't shoot each other all that often, and the most dangerous places in our country are the ones where they don't let people have guns.
And if someone in that building had had the means to defend themselves, yes, they could have stopped him. He chose the classic nut-case target, a schoolroom, because that is one area certain, in this country of armed populous, to be free of gun-toting citizens willing to put him down. As I stated before, guns are easy to get, even in Great Britan. They are just tools. As to homeland security and gun control, our guns make it dangerous for anyone to try to impose their will over the people, thats what they are there for. We suffer from the occasional madman in the streets rather than risk tolerating a Stalin or Hitler, and we are the better for it.
And I belive Hungerford demostrates that you British can't stop someone from doing this either, even with gun control, if they're hell-bent on it.
Mike Michael D. Turner "Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books www.baen.com "Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6 www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm
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  |  darkbow Rabbit lord

       Date Joined Oct 2005 Total Posts : 1760 | Posted 4/18/2007 5:07 PM (GMT -5) |   |
erazmus said...As to homeland security and gun control, our guns make it dangerous for anyone to try to impose their will over the people, thats what they are there for. We suffer from the occasional madman in the streets rather than risk tolerating a Stalin or Hitler, and we are the better for it. Mike
Mike,
At times I have owned multiple firearms, including handguns. Not one gun. Not two. I've owned as many as 27 firearms at one time. Now I own four. I used to carry concealed, and still do every once in a while. I am not a hunter (getting up early to shoot my meat doesn't appeal to me when I can wake up when I want and drive to Burger King). Until the last few years, I hit a firing line for target practice at least twice a month, and would now except my life is too busy. I have taken part in cowboy action shooting events, and had a ball.
I say all this so no one will think I'm some total anti-gun nut. I'm not. Never have been. I'm for the Second amendment.
But two things ...
1.) For public safety alone, there need to be stricter regulations on owning a firearm in the United States. Basic criminal background checks are not enough. Gun owners need training, one-on-one mental evaluations and to be licensed, at the very least.
2.) I do not buy the argument that the Second Amendment keeps us safe from the U.S. government. Military technology is so far beyond anything available to civilians in the U.S. that it is ludicrous to believe our government could fear us from a strategic POV. Two hundred years ago, yes, today, no. All our guns, all the ones I have owned, would not protect me for a minute if a "Stalin or Hitler" were commander in chief of the U.S. One might say, "Well, the insurgents in Iraq are doing pretty good with small arms and homemade bombs." Yes, that's true, but they are not facing a "Stalin or Hitler;" the insurgents are facing a modern U.S. military force that has to be concerned with public image. A "Stalin or Hitler" wouldn't worry about public image; a "Stalin or Hitler" would level us with little regard for any consequences. www.tyjohnston.blogspot.com
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 |  BethS Adept
        Date Joined Jun 2004 Total Posts : 751 | Posted 4/18/2007 5:53 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Stuart Clark said...
Bottom line is, I think, you guys gotta get some gun control. You can't own a gun in the UK (legally) unless you're a registered member of a gun club and hold a licence for said gun. It's all very well pointing fingers after the event and asking how it could have been prevented, but if anyone can walk into a gun store and buy a gun - you can't stop someone doing something like this if they're hell bent on it.
The "constitutional right to bear arms" is no excuse to fall back on. Stop making it easy for people to get hold of guns.
In the US, where gun ownership is high, crime is low. The Georgia city of Kennesaw is a textbook example. In 1982 they passed a law requiring each household (with certain exceptions) to contain a firearm. Crime plummeted drastically. The experiment was a resounding success. The state of New Hampshire has a high percentage of gun-owning citizens. Once again, crime is low.
By contrast, Washington DC, a gun-free city (well, the law-abiding citizens are gun-free; criminals have guns in spades), has one of the highest crime rates in the country.
Disarming good citizens just makes life easier for criminals, who will find ways to get guns, whereas an armed citizenry is the biggest crime deterrent there is. I know that universities think that banning guns on campus will protect the students; unfortunately, it only protects the criminals.
~Beth
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 |  Xangis Xenophrenologist

       Date Joined Apr 2007 Total Posts : 59 | Posted 4/18/2007 6:17 PM (GMT -5) |   | [quote]In the US, where gun ownership is high, crime is low. The Georgia city of Kennesaw is a textbook example. In 1982 they passed a law requiring each household (with certain exceptions) to contain a firearm. Crime plummeted drastically. The experiment was a resounding success. The state of New Hampshire has a high percentage of gun-owning citizens. Once again, crime is low. By contrast, Washington DC, a gun-free city (well, the law-abiding citizens are gun-free; criminals have guns in spades), has one of the highest crime rates in the country. Disarming good citizens just makes life easier for criminals, who will find ways to get guns, whereas an armed citizenry is the biggest crime deterrent there is. I know that universities think that banning guns on campus will protect the students; unfortunately, it only protects the criminals. ~Beth
One thing I wonder:
If every student at the university were carrying a concealed weapon, how far would Cho have gotten? A gun-free zone just makes it so much less likely that someone who desperately needs to be fragged will be.
I'm not sure New Hampshire is a very good reference point since population density tends to be a very large factor in crime rates. Jason Champion Editor, All Possible Worlds www.allpossibleworlds.net | | Back to Top | | |
 |  nathan Sage

       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 2176 | Posted 4/18/2007 6:27 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Stuart Clark said...
I've lived in the US two years now, and in that time, there's been three shootings I can recall, the Amish community in PA, the two girls on another campus and now this - that's in two years. In the time I spent living in the UK (33 years), I can only recall two mass shooting incidents. Hungerford, and one in Scotland.
Bottom line is, I think, you guys gotta get some gun control. You can't own a gun in the UK (legally) unless you're a registered member of a gun club and hold a licence for said gun. It's all very well pointing fingers after the event and asking how it could have been prevented, but if anyone can walk into a gun store and buy a gun - you can't stop someone doing something like this if they're hell bent on it.
The "constitutional right to bear arms" is no excuse to fall back on. If you want to live by that sword, then innocent lives will die by that sword. And it will happen again, and again, and again. A comment reported on the news this morning from the pro-gun advocates was "Well if someone else on campus had owned a gun they could have stopped him." I can't believe what I'm hearing.
Stuart you realize of course that most people who are against restrictive gun control laws point at gun violence in the UK as an example of how the concept fails. snippet=[The frequency of shootings has also reignited doubts over the effectiveness of policing policy. Scotland Yard officials admit privately that they have to start developing a 'really clear understanding' of how gangs operate and, in particular, how they recruit their teenage foot soldiers. Certainly their influence and numbers appear to be on the rise. The frequency with which the Metropolitan Police is required to deploy its 552 armed officers on to the streets would, in the words of its superintendent, Bert Moore, surprise most of the capital's population.]=read the rest of the link
Beside; law? What law? There are 20 thousand gun laws across the US right now. VT campus has a zero tolerance policy about guns. Strangley enough that 0-policy only seems to have stopped everyone BUT Cho from bringing the gun on campus.
The constitution was not designed as a legal buffet. People who would scream about the slighest change in the 1st Amendment in order to stop a NAMBLA or Al Quida sympathizer in the name of the Hallowed Document would cheer as parts of that same document (the 2nd Amendment) were ripped apart.
Talk to people who lived through Katrina or the LA riots and see how they feel about gun control. Look at gun violence in the UK or NYC to see what happens when you have heavy, restrictive gun laws.
The truth is the laws could be tougher in some instances. In the case of Cho he was deemed an Iminent Threat by a court in 2005. I'm pretty willing to say that should have come up on his ID check for the gun application.
I'm not willing to grasp hold of the pipedream that criminals will obey gun laws any more than Cho obeyed VT's 0-tolerance guns on campus policy.
As a logic game ask yourself what would have happened if one of those Iraq vets at VT on a GI Loan had been armed? Would he have made the situation worse? Could he have stopped it?
I'm not necessairly saying "arming everyone" is the answer (anymore than I'm likely to start bragging about my spelling) all I am saying is that dismissing such an obvious answer as A Single Person Taking Personal Responsibility For His Own Protection is not something that someone would say causes them disbelief at what they're hearing.
I read a book by former Crip member Lil_Monster where he desribes x-mas in Compton at the height of crack sales when members of the gang drove a pickup truck down the neighborhood and handed out chinese model AK-47s as presents to EVERYONE. We'red they get them? Same place they bought their bulk cocaine: Mexico.
How exactly is you taking my pistol supposed to help me again? Like this =[Although the Metropolitan Police seized 909 firearms and more than 16,000 rounds of ammunition last year, no one knows with certainty how many guns are on Britain's streets. Only last Friday a wealthy businessman who controlled an international gun-smuggling operation from eastern Europe to London was jailed for 10 and a half years. Officers caught Gerald Smith, 47, handing over 18 converted Baikal pistols, 18 silencers and 748 rounds in north London last May. But such successes are relatively few.]
I realize I might seem a little sharp, Stuart, in my laughing at your belief system as being unsporrted by actual facts, but to be frank you struck me as a little smug and self satisfied in your sanctamonious judgements and use of a horrible tradgedy to engage in dirahea of the mouth about your personal political ideology and about how America brings this on themselves.
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 |  Jim Stratton Acolyte

       Date Joined Oct 2006 Total Posts : 296 | Posted 4/18/2007 6:40 PM (GMT -5) |   | |
I'd like to thank you all for the good wishes for my son. He's home, and is doing better emotionally. The School is doing a tremendous job to address the stress and fear amongst the students. They held a beautiful candle light ceremony last night on the drill field in the center of campus, several thousand students attended and it lasted several hours. No planned agenda mind you, just an opportunity for the students to come together, talk and grieve. Tom reports he spent an hour there talking with other students, then spent time with a goup of friends.
As for the gun issue, I would throw out two points; VT is a gun-free zone. Guns of any description are prohibited by law on campus, permit or not. As several of you said, gun control would not have prevented this, and I agree. This fellow had no interest in the law. He would have found a way no matter what.
But I must fault Virginia law on gun licenses. I'm hearing today that Cho had an involuntary psychaitric hospitalization in 2005. As a government attorney, I've handled these types of cases in Delaware. A person has to present a real danger to himself or others to be hospitalized, and suffer from a major mental health problem. But I also know that such an event is placed in police records with any criminal arrests or convictions, so police and other authorities will be aware if they have contact or involvement in the future. This should have been picked up when he applied for the handgun purchase approval. I would have been here. I can only assume Virginia law does not require these hospitalization be recorded. Had it been, police would have been alerted and they certainly would have followed up. Sad.
Jim Reichert
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