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erazmus
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| Posted 5/3/2007 2:30 PM (GMT -5) |   | Well, I don't have cable and so I don't often get to see O'Reilly. I get my exposure through radio and occasionally books. O'Rielly doesn't impress me much, Limbaugh doesn't impress me much, but I like Michael Savage.
The thing a lot of people don't get is where these guys are coming from on the race issue. Its hard to address a negative comment in plain language to any racial or eithnic group and not get labeled racist, but how do you call them on issues without negativity?
The american negro community has problems (I'll abandone the phrase Negro when they change the NAACP acronym). They are facing great challenges still, and many of those challenges can only be addressed by Negros-- and they affect the whole nation. Commentators like Rush and O'Reilly don't use kid gloves on any group, why should Negros get special treatment?
"Take the bone out of your nose and call back" Hmmnn, several ways to look at that. He was meaning to be rude and abrupt and insulting, so what? People are rude and abrupt and insulting to each other all the time. He was also not doing many of the things that people are assuming he was, I think. He was dealing with a caller to his show with an attitude, no doubt. But he didn't totally shut the guy off-- he invited him to call back when he had assimulated a more mainstream attitude. Taking the bone out of his nose means what? Acting like an American rather than a primitive savage? The implication is pretty harsh to an American of African descent but it also expresses a frustration many people have witha lot of blacks in general. They won't let us let them assimulate. Its easy to do, today. Dress like everyone else, talk like everyone else, work like everyone else, live like everyone else.
The days when skintone determined what job you could get, what resteraunt you could eat in, what seat you took on the bus are long over. And yes, they can date my sister too. But you can still be held back because of behavior. You'll never get promoted to plant manager if you dress in baggy sports jerseys, wear gold chains, speak "ubonicly" . . . You got to talk, act and dress like a plant manager if thats what you want to be. Believe it or not, white guys who dress, talk and act like that don't get promoted either.
Now as to specific personalities, Rush doesn't like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. I don't like them either, blacks would be much better off with real leaders, real heros with acual accomplishments behind them. The composition comment was aimed at Jackson, saying he was the epitome of black criminals, that he and the ideals he represents were _responcible_ for the crime problem in the black community. They may be, or not, but Rush has said _he_ believes Jacksons agenda is a root cause of many of the negro communites problems for many years. His comment was meant to insult and ridicule Jackson, and that is okay. Certainly its okay when blacks ridicule and characterize Rush.
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erazmus
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nathan
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Date Joined Mar 2006
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| Posted 5/3/2007 3:59 PM (GMT -5) | | Well, okay, never mind then.  I apologize for my use of a  emoticons.
Eternal vigilence is the hallmark of empire, I will destroy you all!
er...nothing.
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MichaelEhart
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| Posted 5/3/2007 4:19 PM (GMT -5) | |
Mike, NAACP doesn't have Negro in the acronym, so I guess by your rule you will have to use person of color, the current construction of the word in the acronym. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is nearly 100 years old, and keeps the name because of tradition and recognition, just like the YMCA does.
My man, I know you taught your kids to be polite, and to address folks by their proper names. If you don't want to be called Mikey, it would be rude for me to call you that. Why call a group of people something they don't want to be called? Just as rude. Not being PC, just simple manners.
Still plenty of racism around, from the grocery clerk who takes my check without ID, but studies my wife's carefully the day before, to the state senator here who didn't know my wife was black who in a phone conversation used classic "those people" language until she told him she was black.
From the news today---
Jeff Miller is the 200th person to be exonerated by DNA testing after being wrongfully convicted. According to the Innocence Project, he's not unusual:
Of those exonerated after a rape conviction, 85 percent were black men accused of assaulting a white woman. In contrast, black men are accused in 33.6 percent of rapes or sexual assaults of white women, according to a 2005 Bureau of Justice Statistics study of victims.
Lots of problems for blacks in this country, some of it self-inflicted, some not. If the average white person's idea of a typical black man is baggy pants gang-banger hip-hop gangsta, then that too is a sad sort of racism. It is like your example on another thread--- the extremes get used to justify not doing anything to fix a given problem, or to make ridiculous claims. Only this time it is people, not guns.
"They won't let us let them assimulate. Its easy to do, today. Dress like everyone else, talk like everyone else, work like everyone else, live like everyone else." Dude, I don't know how many black people you know, but this has to describe 95% of all the black people I know, and I know a lot. On TV it is different, but not in the real world. The Gangsta look is mostly young guys, and like teenagers everywhere, they are rebellious and idiotic.
There is also this very weird thing where in this country black people are somehow supposed to be responsible for the actions of all other black people. I don't remember anyone interviewing people after Okalahoma City about how white leaders were responsible. Jesse Jackson leads only those who follow him, by no means a majority of African-Americans--- he is no more the voice of black America than Rush is the voice of white America. Jackson power actually comes more from the main-stream press going to him because he is a reliable quote than from any opinion-making he causes in the Black community. He is viewed as a much more powerful figure in his community by white people than the actual people in it. Same with Sharpton.
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MichaelEhart
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| Posted 5/3/2007 4:24 PM (GMT -5) | | Oh Nathan, Bill went after Tenet, alright, but so did all the right wingers, as he has broken faith with the cult of Bush.
Gonzoles is an idiot, but that has been common knowledge for a long time. Hidden by the Miers firestorm was a smaller one in the right-wing because Alberto was George's first choice for the Supremes.
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"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, March 2007
"The Death of Number 23" Dark Krypt, Fall 2006
"Servant of the Manthycore" Sword Review, April 2006
"Voice of the Spoiler" Better Fiction, Spring 2006
"Dancing with the Elder Gods"-- Thirteen Magazine, October 2005
"It's a Living" Byzarium---November 2005
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MichaelEhart
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| Posted 5/3/2007 4:50 PM (GMT -5) | | Ann Coulter hates everyone, she is just paid to hate liberals more.
"The Scarlet Colored Beast" The Sword Review, September 2007
"Nothing But Our Tears" The Sword Review. August 2007
"Weaving Spiders Come Not Here" The Sword Review, July 2007
"The View From the Shotglass Floor" Ray Gun Revival, coming soon!
"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, March 2007
"The Death of Number 23" Dark Krypt, Fall 2006
"Servant of the Manthycore" Sword Review, April 2006
"Voice of the Spoiler" Better Fiction, Spring 2006
"Dancing with the Elder Gods"-- Thirteen Magazine, October 2005
"It's a Living" Byzarium---November 2005
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nathan
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| Posted 5/3/2007 5:38 PM (GMT -5) | |
MichaelEhart said...
Oh Nathan, Bill went after Tenet, alright, but so did all the right wingers, as he has broken faith with the cult of Bush. But Bill didn't go after Tenant in that interview like "all right-wingers" Bill specifically showed that prior to 9/11 that while Clinton and Reno were passing on dirty hands fighting that Bush was no better.
That is, he was making points that Ten was being scapegoated to a large degree--hardly a right wing talking point position.
Good point on Anne and I gladly cede it in the sense that AC is my favorite politic TV heel for entertainment value.
However AC is quite chummy with Hannity and Rush.
My point being only that dismissing BOR as being a lockstep mouthpiece of administration or general GOP is not consistent with his programming.
While he inhabits waters that hold many personalities to the left of him those same waters hold necon icons like Savage, Hannity and Rush well to the right of himself.
BOR is the closest thing there is to a centralist pundit on TV.
To catagorizing as anything else is to ignore the continuum or the spectrum with in which he operates--that's my only point: now that he is infallible or that I'm 100% in agreement with every position he takes.
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MichaelEhart
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| Posted 5/3/2007 6:54 PM (GMT -5) | | Well, you know me, everyone to the right of Dennis Kuncinich is... well everyone :)
I watch Bill, as you have noticed I have slipped in a couple of his buzzwords. Bill seems to be to me old school republican, pretty much agin' everything, but not fanatical about much of anything (except his opinion of himself, which has nothing to do with his politics). As such, he would count as a centrist.
Lou Dobbs is neither right nor left so much as he is a populist, and because he is less beligerent than Bill O he comes across as a little watered down.
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"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, March 2007
"The Death of Number 23" Dark Krypt, Fall 2006
"Servant of the Manthycore" Sword Review, April 2006
"Voice of the Spoiler" Better Fiction, Spring 2006
"Dancing with the Elder Gods"-- Thirteen Magazine, October 2005
"It's a Living" Byzarium---November 2005
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nathan
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| Posted 5/3/2007 8:18 PM (GMT -5) | |
MichaelEhart said...
I do watch the factor. New study on O'Reilly, BTW:
http://journalism.indiana.edu/papers/oreilly.html
"Bill O'Reilly may proclaim at the beginning of his program that viewers are entering the "No Spin Zone," but a new study by Indiana University media researchers found that the Fox News personality consistently paints certain people and groups as villains and others as victims to present the world, as he sees it, through political rhetoric.
The IU researchers found that O'Reilly called a person or a group a derogatory name once every 6.8 seconds, on average, or nearly nine times every minute during the editorials that open his program each night. ... Maria Elizabeth Grabe, associate professor of telecommunications, added, "If one digs further into O'Reilly's rhetoric, it becomes clear that he sets up a pretty simplistic battle between good and evil. Our analysis points to very specific groups and people presented as good and evil."
For their article in the spring issue of Journalism Studies, Conway, Grabe and Kevin Grieves, a doctoral student in journalism, studied six months worth, or 115 episodes, of O'Reilly's "Talking Points Memo" editorials using propaganda analysis techniques made popular after World War I. "
Why should they go on Fox? The usual viewer of that network is never going to vote for them. Campaigns have three resources, and there is never enough of any of them--- time, effort (volunteers), and money. The candidate should send their time either raising money or getting votes--- campaigning 101. A dem on Fox would do neither.
Oh he's talking about it right now  This thread is fun! You didn't tell me you get stuff from Media Matters! Also the study says terms like left right liberal conservative centrist and traditional all count as name calling.
Backstory: Bill showed how Sorros moves money to Media Matters and the 5 million dollar donation to Indiana U--thus the attack.
Come on, this is fun.
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Tarantino himself has been forward and unapologetic about his influences. In a 1994 interview with Empire magazine, he said, "I steal from every single movie ever made. If people don't like that, then tough tills, don't go and see it, all right? I steal from everything. Great artists steal, they don't do homages." | | Back to Top | | |
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MichaelEhart
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| Posted 5/3/2007 9:34 PM (GMT -5) | | Dude, I get stuff from everywhere. Didn't I quote American Conservative the other day? I read 15-18 news, political and technical sites a day. The politics range from the spun up self-righteous ultra-right Free Republic to ultra-lefty Bartcop. (I don't like the left's equivalent of Free Republic, Democratic Union, or for that matter any of the far lefty sites other than Bart. I am Kos user 2xx --- Kos gets a lot of press because of its size, but the Great Orange Satan has something like 200,000 users posting which does drag the consensus to the center. And Kos himself is not so much a lefty as a Democratic Activist, dedicated to electing dems, rather than an ideolog pushing lefty causes.)
Why should Soros be afraid of anything Bill O says? More people watch Dancing with the Stars than watch any of the cable bloviators. To hear the right tell it, Soros is the evil source of everything, a sort of Unified Conspiracy Theory. Never any mention of Scaife, or crikey, Murdoch.
But okay, we will posit that the study was bought and paid for, because there was a money trail. Then, following the same logic, every single global warming study that finds doubt in the human causes and contributions has to be thrown out, because they were paid for by Exxon. This is fun!
Chances are, though, they didn't have to fudge the numbers. Bill's rants are never about something he is for. His whole shtick is manufactured outrage, and he is a name caller. Because he is belligerent, his "editorials" (bad choice, as the whole show is one big interactive editorial) probably do have a derogatory name every 6.8 seconds.
Also, I plan to include a dig at Bill O in my first novel, because the guy takes absolutely everything personally, and charges ahead with all guns blazing. The smallest slight sets him off, and if I can just get him to sue me, or threaten me with Fox Security, like he did to a caller to his radio show, the free media will earn me an extra 15k sales.
"The Scarlet Colored Beast" The Sword Review, September 2007
"Nothing But Our Tears" The Sword Review. August 2007
"Weaving Spiders Come Not Here" The Sword Review, July 2007
"The View From the Shotglass Floor" Ray Gun Revival, coming soon!
"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, March 2007
"The Death of Number 23" Dark Krypt, Fall 2006
"Servant of the Manthycore" Sword Review, April 2006
"Voice of the Spoiler" Better Fiction, Spring 2006
"Dancing with the Elder Gods"-- Thirteen Magazine, October 2005
"It's a Living" Byzarium---November 2005
"An Exorcism Straight, Hold the Elvis" The Sword Review, October 2005
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nathan
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| Posted 5/3/2007 9:49 PM (GMT -5) | |
MichaelEhart said...Also, I plan to include a dig at Bill O in my first novel, because the guy takes absolutely everything personally, and charges ahead with all guns blazing. The smallest slight sets him off, and if I can just get him to sue me, or threaten me with Fox Security, like he did to a caller to his radio show, the free media will earn me an extra 15k sales.
That's just smart.
You have to admit lumping designations like "conservative, liberal, left and right" into the left make the whole thing seem a little disengenuous.
I've heard him call people pin-heads and kool-aid drinkers plenty of times but the list was so generic it became ridiculous.
As for Exxon being the sponsor of a study downplaying global warming and that sponsorship invalidating the study...
...I'm with you. In fact I would say you are exactly right: Sorros funding a study that says Bill is mean is a lot like Exxon/Mobil funding a study saying global warming is crap.
We are sympatico 
But to be fair you were already kind enough to acknowledge that from a "compare & contrast" model Bill shakes out center. I didn't run this as a rabbit punch it was just funny that I was drinking my Snapple and BOR busts out on the TV with some stuff you had just tossed at me.
I spit the tea out and ran to the computer yelling "Mike! Mike! Its on!"
But I'm a dork. 
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Tarantino himself has been forward and unapologetic about his influences. In a 1994 interview with Empire magazine, he said, "I steal from every single movie ever made. If people don't like that, then tough tills, don't go and see it, all right? I steal from everything. Great artists steal, they don't do homages." | | Back to Top | | |
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MichaelEhart
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| Posted 5/3/2007 10:38 PM (GMT -5) | | You know he wasn't going to let it pass, not our thin-skinned Bill :)
"The Scarlet Colored Beast" The Sword Review, September 2007
"Nothing But Our Tears" The Sword Review. August 2007
"Weaving Spiders Come Not Here" The Sword Review, July 2007
"The View From the Shotglass Floor" Ray Gun Revival, coming soon!
"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, March 2007
"The Death of Number 23" Dark Krypt, Fall 2006
"Servant of the Manthycore" Sword Review, April 2006
"Voice of the Spoiler" Better Fiction, Spring 2006
"Dancing with the Elder Gods"-- Thirteen Magazine, October 2005
"It's a Living" Byzarium---November 2005
"An Exorcism Straight, Hold the Elvis" The Sword Review, October 2005
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BethS
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| Posted 5/7/2007 9:57 AM (GMT -5) | |
MichaelEhart said...
If Rush is not a racist then what is the Al Sharpton minstrel-show song "Barak the Magic Negro" running on his show about?
Yes I know what a magic negro is, it is a critism of a literary device. His defense that the LA Times used the term first as an example, does not excuse it.
This is just quickly gathered from wikiquotes:
And then what if -- there are all kinds of little Communist regimes in -- what if Fidel Castro shows up and says I endorse Kerry? The Black Caucus would like that, but Kerry wouldn't. [19 March 2004]
I mean, why didn't these morons leave New Orleans before the hurricane? I'll tell you why: because they wanted to rape and loot! That's just the way some people are! And if they're black--if the rapists and looters are black--it's not George Bush's fault! We've had these problems ever since the Emancipation Proclamation. Once the whites leave town, all you've got is overwhelming lawlessness. That's not racism, Mr. Snerdley; it's a proven, demonstrable fact. Have you even seen a ghetto in Greenwich, Connecticut? I rest my case. [12 September 2005]
They oughtta change Black History Month to Black Progress Month and start measuring it. [27 February 2006]
Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it. [February 19, 2007]
Why should Blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population. Who the hell cares?
The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.
The media, the sports media, has got social concerns that they are first and foremost interested in, and they're dumping on this guy -- Rex Grossman -- for one reason, folks, and that's because he is a white quarterback...They, they just want this guy not to do well 'cause he's a white quarterback...But the guy's been targeted for destruction. [5 February 2007]
Then there is this, from snopes--- http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp[Limbaugh's] current job, as self-appointed spokesman for the "angry white males", evolved over the years — his attitudes never did. As a young broadcaster in the 1970s he once told a black caller: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back." A decade later he was musing: "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"
"the only way his comments could ever be construed as racist is when they're taken out of context and whirled through the spin machine of someone who doesn't like or understand him. Which happens all the time, of course." Yeah, poor misunderstood Rush. Like every racist, when they get caught they just say it is a joke, and blame others for being offended, or taking out of context. Sadly, it is difficult for me to think of a context in which telling someone to take the bone out of their nose would be okay. And yes, poor misunderstood, put upon millionaire white guy apologizes ten years later, indirectly. Right. Love him if you must, he can be quite funny, but don't close your eyes to what he is. Sheesh, "found him to be one of the most optimistic, compassionate, and colorblind people in media today" sounds like the line from Manchurian Candidate. "Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life." Was the kool-aid tasty?
I'll admit this is a subject that gets me going--- here is a picture of my wife, part of why I get cranked up.
Thanks for the opportunity to show off my trophy wife, by the way :wink:
About the Magic Negro clip--well, you're missing the point entirely. He did that to highlight the absurdity of the way some on the left are looking at Obama. It's satire. It's not making fun of Obama--it's making fun of those who really are racist.
Quite often he will say something in a deeply sarcastic way--and then the quotes are posted around the internet as if he meant them seriously. You cannot trust anything you read about him, or any quotes posted anywhere besides his own website.
And please don't drag out the Kool-aid accusations--that's so tiresome. I realize you don't know me well, but I'm smart, I'm observant, and I take awhile to form an opinion about people and issues. My judgement of Rush was formed after weeks and months of listening to him and seeing just where he's coming from.
Which is not a place of racism.
Your wife is very beautiful, BTW. ~Beth
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MichaelEhart
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| Posted 5/7/2007 1:21 PM (GMT -5) | | |
Beth, I didn't mean to offend with the Kool-aid, it was fitting the O'Reilly conversation as he says that quite often, and then the Shaw thing from Manchurian Candidate that was so like what you said allowed me to make a double pun. Please accept apologies, as I meant it in fun.
We will never agree about Rush--- my perspective is different and I see things in ways you don't. Vice versa, of course. It is classic racist behavior to claim it is all just a joke. Perhaps Rush is innocently paralleling that. Seems unlikely to me, but there you are.
Satire is usually funny if it is directed at the more powerful. Directed at the less powerful it seems like bullying. The mocking Al Sharton voice seems aimed not at the dirty hippies, but at black stereotypes.
I try to use the "would I let my kids say that to a black person" arguement. It seems a pretty good test to me.
Again, apologies if I offended.
And yes, she is, isn't she. Picked her out meself, I did.
"The Scarlet Colored Beast" The Sword Review, September 2007
"Nothing But Our Tears" The Sword Review. August 2007
"Weaving Spiders Come Not Here" The Sword Review, July 2007
"The View From the Shotglass Floor" Ray Gun Revival, coming soon!
"Six Zombies Doing That Mick Jagger Strut" Damned in Dixie, March 2007
"The Death of Number 23" Dark Krypt, Fall 2006
"Servant of the Manthycore" Sword Review, April 2006
"Voice of the Spoiler" Better Fiction, Spring 2006
"Dancing with the Elder Gods"-- Thirteen Magazine, October 2005
"It's a Living" Byzarium---November 2005
"An Exorcism Straight, Hold the Elvis" The Sword Review, October 2005
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BethS
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| Posted 5/8/2007 7:56 AM (GMT -5) | |
MichaelEhart said...
Beth, I didn't mean to offend with the Kool-aid, it was fitting the O'Reilly conversation as he says that quite often, and then the Shaw thing from Manchurian Candidate that was so like what you said allowed me to make a double pun. Please accept apologies, as I meant it in fun.
Sure. It's just that so many people use that as a way to discredit and condescend to their opponent in an argument, instead of addressing ideas and opinions, that it kinda makes me crazy.  I've been listening to his program (not all of it every day, but at least some of it fairly consistently) for several years. And I started from a place of skepticism, having heard all the same things you've heard about Rush. I changed my mind, based on what I grew to understand about his approach to the issues and his own particular sense of humor.
But I could only arrive at that point by actually listening to the program, and it took some time get a true feel for where he's coming from.
If I had continued to rely on hearsay and quotes out of context, we probably wouldn't be having this argument. At any rate, I'm fine with agreeing to disagree about Rush.
See ya around.
~Beth
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