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Daniel
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   Posted 11/3/2006 2:51 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My name is Daniel, and I am a news junky....
 
I read the NY Times and Wash Post online and look in at ABC News and MSNBC news online. I watch the TV news every day, including the MSNBC shows Hardball and Countdown. I usually look at a bit of Scarborough Country and click over to FOX for about 3 minutes a day for a giggle or two. I watch "Meet the Press" online (I've been watching this show since I was about ten years old!)
 
Also I check AP "The Wire" and BBC News online from time to time.
 
I'm hoping there are some other news junkies around here who can point me to some online sources for more in-depth political coverage, which is *not* grotesquely slanted in a partisan way, left or right. Anyone know of any good news sites I'm missing out on?
 
Where do you get your news?
 
 
 
 
 


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   Posted 11/3/2006 11:35 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
These days, usually just NPR, CNN, and FoxNews. In my junkie days, add the BBC, the Guardian, News.com.au , Al Jazeera, allAfrica.com, Slate Magazine, GlobalSecurity.org, FAIR.org, and more sporadically, a dozen or so others. I also subscribed to Strategic Forecasting, a commercial intelligence service, and followed a half-dozen columnists (David Hackworth being my favorite--I always thought he'd have made an "interesting" Secretary of Defense). In the paper world, I subscribe to and still strongly recommend Foreign Affairs, but I believe a lot of their articles are now available online. During election seasons, of course, everyone should be reading FactCheck.org. I don't own a TV, so none of the news shows for me, although I do regularly visit Comedy Central's site to watch clips of the Daily Show.

I think looking for a few, well, fair and balanced news sources is not the way to go if you're going to put serious effort into staying informed. Better to read widely and put together for yourself what's really happening. On the other hand, that doesn't leave much time for reading SF, hence my current reliance on NPR and Foreign Affairs to keep me reasonably well informed. (CNN & FoxNews are usually just for headlines.)


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http://realopinions.blogspot.com

Another one of mine....


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   Posted 11/3/2006 5:01 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Daniel, for a different look at things in the Middle East, I suggest Aljazeera's English Web page:

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

From what I read and know of the folks at Aljazeera, they are not the terrorist monsters often portrayed by U.S. leaders and sometimes by even the U.S. media. They're journalists, doing their job, no more or less biased than the typical U.S. media (for good or ill). They definitely offer an POV differing from most of what you'll see in the U.S.


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   Posted 11/3/2006 5:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks guys! Feeding that addiciton....


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   Posted 11/5/2006 4:28 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I really miss Hackworth. The staff at SFTT try, but the news keeps getting worse, and they need Hackworth's genius to keep them on task.


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   Posted 11/5/2006 5:58 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MichaelEhart said...
I really miss Hackworth.

Amen.


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   Posted 11/10/2006 6:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
 
--has links to lots of articles and opinion pieces about politics.
 
In order to balance the leftist slant of all the newspapers and networks you mentioned that you read regularly (you are aware that they're slanted, I hope? There's really no such thing as completely unbiased reporting these days, and some of those that you mentioned are worse than most), you might try getting news from more centrist and/or conservative media. You scoff at Foxnews, but I've analyzed their coverage and compared it to that of CNN, MSNBC, and all the broadcast networks, and they really do offer a more balanced perspective. You'll get both sides of the story, rather than only the bits the support a certain agenda. (Which is why Fox is the highest rated network on TV.) Another place to read regularly would be the National Review Online, where, once again, you'll be exposed to ideas and opinions that would never be aired in the liberal media. Also, try reading the writings of some of the more articulate conservative pundits, such as Mark Steyn (http://www.steynonline.com/) and Dinesh D'Souza (http://www.dineshdsouza.com/). You might even (gasp!) listen in on the good talk-radio hosts. Not the likes of Michael Savage (shudder) or Sean Hannity, but Laura Ingraham gives thoughtful analysis most of the time, and Rush Limbaugh, in addition to offering insightful and entertainingly ascerbic commentary, discusses news and opinion articles from all over the country. Even if you don't agree with his opinions, you can still learn a lot just by hearing about articles from news sources you might not have thought to check on your own, and you will find out about events that the TV evenings news will either distort or never report.
 
I think the truly informed individual reads and listens widely, not only from those sources that support his or her own worldview, but from sources that offer a different perspective. Otherwise, we run the risk of forming opinions based on information that is filtered and biased to highlight only one point of view or to further an agenda. And even worse, we risk falling victim to lies and propaganda. smilewinkgrin
 
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   Posted 11/11/2006 3:31 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Beth,

Those sources you cited would fall into the "incompentent" category IMHO. Rush Limbaugh!!! A fat pill-popper with a smirk adn a cigar and a gold micrphone, how phony and silly can you get?

FOX news?! Yes, they are the "top-cocks" to use their own phraseoelogy but they are simply incompetent.

I remember one of their reporters trying to interview a woman who was fleeing with her family to escape the Isarali army when they invaded leb. She said something like "Right now we're just trying to get our of the country...."ANd the FOX news "reporter" says "Why?"

On election night one of the anchors kept calling the MT race the *Vermont* race!!!???

What a bunch of idiots. When you aim at the lowest common demonitor you are apt to attract multitudes of listners or viewers (ask Howard Stern!) or look at the ratings for any soap opera, but I prefer to get *news* real facts and real information.

FOX and Rush Limbaugh are *entertainment* not news. Like circus performers or sideshow freaks.

I do tune into FOX now and then for a laugh, like I said, but I wouldn't trust anything I heard from that source. Shoot they lablelled Mark Foley as Democrat when the scandal broke and also, on election night when the Dems were racking up 40 plus house seats, AP cited, FOX had the count at 8.....

AP is the news feeder for *all* the major news sources, BTW. And while I'm sure your "analysis" of FOX was as "fair and balanced" as FOX itself, I'm sure you'll understand when I call that an anecdotal and wholly unsubstantiated claim, but that fits right in with FOIX so you're ok?

In fact, you sound a little like a FOX troll or sock-puppet. Or meat puppet. ;-)


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   Posted 11/11/2006 4:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wow. Er, I'm not sure Beth deserved that, regardless of how right or wrong she might be.


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   Posted 11/11/2006 4:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Daniel,

You asked for suggestions and I offered some, on the assumption that you were wanting to broaden your perspective in order to stay as fully informed as possible.

Obviously my assumption was wrong. But it might have been nicer to say, "No, thank you, I'm not interested in reading or hearing anything that doesn't reflect my particular world view" rather than ungraciously attempting to belittle me.

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   Posted 11/13/2006 4:03 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ouch, Daniel ... I dislike Fox and Rush and all that, too. But you were kind of harsh with Beth, weren't you? I'd almost feel compelled to step in and defend her honor, but she did a decent job of that herself.

I do have to point out my favorite "Stupid Fox Trick," one that is employed all the time by Rush Limbaugh as well. They constantly, constantly, constantly report a story or offer some commentary and then insist that "You won't see that in the mainstream media ..." when, in fact, the particular bit of news HAS been reported in the "mainstream" media. They do that all the time, and it just makes me want to kick the TV or radio.

I'd also like to point out that a lot of "liberal" newspapers run Ann Coulter's god-awful reactionary column, along with other conservative columns, and that I have known many newspaper publishers and managers in my day -- and every one of them is a conservative, more or less.

For my part, I try to use a lot of news sources -- including direct from the horse's mouth when possible. I'll read news reports about a bill and see what Bush and Pelosi have to say about it, etc., but I also want to see the bill myself, or see a transcript of an entire speech as opposed to a reporter's edited version of it, etc.

Beth is correct in saying there is no such thing as totally unbiased news. There never was. It is impossible for a fallible human being to report any news event without coloring it in some way, usually unintentionally. A reporter's experiences, an editor's experiences, in part determine what gets asked and what doesn't get asked, what gets included and what doesn't, etc. I do believe, though, that most of the so-called liberal media actually does try to filter out as much of that as possible, whereas Fox often wears its GOP colors on its sleeves. Most of the time, in my opinion, people who say the media is biased really mean "They didn't just tell the side of the story I wanted to hear. They told that other side, too!"


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   Posted 11/13/2006 9:45 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wow Dan. That was a bit extreme.


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Any chance we missed an attempt at humor?



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   Posted 11/22/2006 2:49 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

My name is Nicholas, and I am an NPR junky...

I listen to NPR every day, switching between Minnesota Public Radio and Wisconsin Public Radio.

And, since we are all sharing--and nothing we say here will leave this forum, right?--several years ago I used to listen to Rush Limbaughfreaked  You see, I was (Lord this is embarrassing, but I've got to get it off my chest) a registered Republican, and even voted for W the first time. Then I went to college and got an education, started reading news magazines like Time and Newsweek and listening to NPR, and even read Al Franken's Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot. But, you know what--I was kinda starting to figure that out for myself, even without Al pointing it out. Like when Rush would claim global warming wasn't really happening. Or when he said things like, "You know what's the best thing about trees? What you can make out of them. The best sound in the world is a chainsaw cutting down a tree."

I wish an ent would step on Rush Limbaugh.

I got tired of neo-cons saying things like, "We have increased the number of protected wetlands," then learning that they had actually removed protection from thousands of acres of bona fide wetlands and made up the numbers by categorizing golf-course ponds and swimming pools as "wetlands." And they'd say, "Look, job numbers have gone up," to which I'd reply, "Yeah, I know, I'm working two of them to pay my bills." And then my college tuition went up 80%. And then I could no longer afford health care. And Rush Limbaugh would say, "Heh heh, the good old American dream is alive and well; you've just got to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps!" And then I noticed that when issues like health care and college tuition were raised, or when people asked why the EPA was being underfunded and its library archives shut down, or any of a plethora of other pertinent questions, the neo-cons would come back with stock phrases about terrorists, homosexuals, and abortion. These phrases got thrown around more and more hysterically as they dropped in the polls running up to the recent election, until it sounded like: "You must re-elect us or gay terrorists will abort your babies!"

I'm sorry--I didn't mean to get all riled. I'd better sit down and let somebody else have the floor.


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   Posted 11/22/2006 11:00 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Nicholas said...

switching between Minnesota Public Radio and Wisconsin Public Radio.

You traitorous fiend! Why don't you go live in Wisconsin if you love it so much!
 
Ahem. Sorry, little typo on my part there. smilewinkgrin


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   Posted 11/22/2006 11:12 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think just knowing that Rush uses the phrase "feminazi" tells me everything I need to know about him.

But I wonder if Al Franken perhaps goes too far in the other direction? Is he compeltely fair?


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Dragon Angel said...

But I wonder if Al Franken perhaps goes too far in the other direction? Is he compeltely fair?
I used to watch Rush at work. I have no doubt he (along with some of his compatriots) was a believer when he started out, but his customers feed off of him and he feeds off of his customers. Now it's entertainment, and by entertainment I mean business. There's big money to be made there. There's no reason to take him seriously other than the fact he has a very large audience; he keeps feeding them what they want to hear, which leaves them secure in their beliefs.
 
I've always loved Franken for the same reason I love John Stewart: he makes me laugh about our absurd politics. When he's serious, though, I see no reason to buy into what he says. (Unlike Stewart, who I do find interesting on the rare occasion I see him being serious.) I have no doubt Franken is a believer. Give him time and that'll probably change. In the meantime, I imagine he's preaching to the choir and making them happy, just like Rush.


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Dragon Angel said...
But I wonder if Al Franken perhaps goes too far in the other direction? Is he compeltely fair?
 Yes, he does go extreme to the other direction. Is he completely fair? Well, no, but I guess if I had to make a distinction I'd say Franken's political humor is reactionary. Rush, Anne Coulter, et al, say outrageously offensive things and unfairly characterize figures on the left. Franken fights fire with fire--he sort of prefaces his jokes by saying implicitly, "Okay, you can dish it out, but can you take it? You want to parody and defame these people: what if I say this about you?" Also, Franken's funny (I know, matter of subjective taste). But Franken is a comedian by trade, not a political "news analyst" (I put that in quotation marks when speaking about Rush for obvious reasons). Oh, wait, Franken started up Air America and is talking about running for office...Well, disregard that last point.
Jeff said...
You traitorous fiend! Why don't you go live in Wisconsin if you love it so much!
Jeff, I guess you might call me a "Minnawisco" (I just coined that!). I live so close to the ol' Mississip that I spend a lot of time in La Crosse. But I do root for the Vikings (actually, I stopped rooting for them after their fourth loss in a row last weekend--all right, all right, so I'm a fair-weather fan).
 
My favorite NPR show, by the way, is "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me: the NPR News Quiz."
 
 


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"'Humpty Dumpty Had a Great Fall' by Frank Belknap Long: An Appreciation" (essay) at The ED SF Project
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Nicholas said... 
My favorite NPR show, by the way, is "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me: the NPR News Quiz."


I love that show, but don't get to listen to it most weeks.

One point in Franken's favor: he's actually been to Afghanistan and Iraq with the USO to entertain the troops.


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Beth, I love you babe, but your examples of fair and balanced just echo the talking-points of the far-right. It is a long-established meme that the press has a liberal bias, but it has been decades since that was true. News organizations are run by the entertainment divisions, which are run by boards made of millionaires. ABC is owned by Disney, not exactly a hippy-dippy company and recently ran that 911 "documentary" which even folks on the right acknowledged as a Republican propaganda piece. NBC is owned by General Electric, one of the nations largest defense contractors. CBS is run by one of the 100 richest men in the world, Sumner Redstone.
Fox News is the largest watched CABLE news channel in average viewership, though CNN has 11% higher unique daily viewership, which means that more people watch CNN, but the talkshow format has Fox viewers watching for longer periods of time. But the 3 broadcast biggies still cream all of the cable news channels.
In 1964, after Barry Goldwater was defeated, the conservative movement (rightly perhaps) blamed some of his defeat on media bias. Since then, a number of think tanks came up with the idea of "working the refs"--- that is loudly screaming media bias every time there was any kind of negative story about conservatives. The result has been the current "he says, she says" form of reporting, and a tendancy to overbook conservatives, especially on the Sunday blabfest. Check out any weekend's line-up on Meet the Press or any other such. Heck, the weekend after the Democrats regained the house and senate, Russert's guests were John McCain, who hadn't run for anything this cycle, and Joe Lieberman, whose campaign was funded and advised by Republicans.
Rather than the assumption that the liberal hippy-loving terrorist appeasing media is left-wing biased, try watching sometime with your Early Trotsky Warning System muted, and you will find that most broadcast media is just plain crappy, (Nancy Pelosi's wardrobe stories, anyone?) and not part of the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy.
I am not ready to believe Daniel meant to be as harsh as he seemed--- sometimes tone of voice doesn't come through very well through the pixels. Still, this I think was the answer you deserved :)


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Michael,

Ummm, I have no wish to wade into the swamp of political controversy here, because that's really so pointless. We all just end up spinning our wheels and covered in muck.

However, I would like to clarify something.

I wasn't meaning to imply that the sources of conservative news and commentary I listed are inherently less biased than their liberal counterparts--though I stand by my assertion that Fox news often does give both sides of a story, whereas, say, The New York Times or CBS will often report only the part of a story that promotes their agenda. Anything that might contradict that is either left out or buried so deep that the average consumer will likely miss it. And I'm not parroting talking points here (which is not only a condescending and offensive insinuation, IMO, but it's also a tactic designed to shut down discussion by discrediting one's opponent. I wouldn't personally accuse anyone of parroting without strong evidence; I'd rather assume that we're all intelligent people here who can presumably think for ourselves.). No, this phenomenon of news distortion and suppression happens all the time, in all media. Nobody has to point it out to me; I can observe it for myself.

What I was suggesting was that Daniel (or anyone who wants to stay informed) might try consuming news and commentary from both sides of the ideological aisle, as a form of self-imposed balancing. The news media, all of it, is biased, has always been biased, and will continue to be biased. Objective, neutral reporting, while laudable and something to strive for, is nevertheless largely a myth. If I had kept a log of every instance where I'd seen a story misreported, distorted, or spun to reflect a particular viewpoint, I'd have filled up a novel's worth of pages by now. Sometimes the spinning is blatant but more often it's a matter of the journalist making subtle word choices so that even in a straightforward news article, opinion appears as fact. That kind of thing slips under most people's radar.

But not if we take care to be watchful and stay informed, and the only way to do that is to be distrustful of a monolithic point of view and to try to get the whole story or as much of it as possible. And the only way to do that is to consume a variety of news sources from a broad spectrum of opinion and political stances. Which was all I was trying to communicate to Daniel.

~Beth, former journalism student and ex-liberal

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   Posted 12/6/2006 8:01 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'll preface this by saying I had it rough growing up. I was raised in a single-nanny home, and didn't have the kind of upbringing some of you may have had with a full staff of servants. All the same, I find times are even more difficult now, due to right wing dicks in their boiler suits raping America while preying on our fears of terrorism. The future is even far more bleak. Never mind it'll take decades to right the wrongs (both moral and financial) perpetrated upon the American people by our current administration (beginning with a rigged election that has been documented by the BBC and others with little fanfare), but on to an even more bleak situation: most of America is misled by the phrase "Global Warming". They think it'll be nice to have mild winters. I really wish the media would use a different term for global warming. What it really means is that the poles will melt (hence the term), but this will release huge quantities of frigid waters into the oceans. This in turn will lower our overall global temperature while devastating coastal regions. Our food supply will shink due to climate changes. If I remember the numbers right, it is estimated the world can sustain 8 billion people. Right now we have approximately 6 billion. After global warming, some models say the world will sustain only 4 billion. Guess what happens when 2 billion people are on the verge of starvation---countries go to war. I hope I'm wrong, but it's there on the horizon, and something to think about. 3rd world nations will get the brunt of it, obviously, but if we think our standard of living has gone down here recently, imagine if your food costs suddenly tripled like gas prices have during Bush's term (though that wasn't necessarily due to shortages, as oil companies were making record profits through this time because it's nice to have friends in the White House). And speaking of energy debacles, here's a good one, though dated...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5503703206514675415&q=conspiracy&hl=en

It's funny how Bush/Cheney always seem to have their fingers in