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BethS
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Date Joined Jun 2004
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| Posted 9/20/2006 9:19 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Frank said...
I never thought I would actually agree with something said by the president of Iran:
President Bush’s policies in the Middle East are “moving the world toward war,” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday
This is a quote from MSNBC news website and it's creeping me out a little that I agree with this man... Here is a man who is trying to build nuclear weapons, who is actively beefing up his army and military strength, whose stated goal is to annihilate Israel and the US, and to bring about armegeddon so that the caliph can return and rule the world in the name of Islam--
--and you think President Bush is moving the world toward war?
Is the entire western world so blind and stupid and mad that it cannot see the reality of who and what Ahmadinejad is, and the danger we all face from militant Islam? They'd rather point fingers at President Bush and call him a terrorist, while the real danger is slavering at their doorstep like a rabid wolf.
Unless something is done, there will be war, and it won't be President Bush's fault.
Not that that will stop anyone from blaming him.
~Beth
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Daniel
Carl Jung's Waterboy
Date Joined Aug 2003
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| Posted 9/20/2006 12:15 PM (GMT -5) | | Here is a man who is trying to build nuclear weapons, who is actively beefing up his army and military strength, whose stated goal is to annihilate Israel and the US, and to bring about armegeddon so that the caliph can return and rule the world in the name of Islam--
--and you think President Bush is moving the world toward war?
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That is a lot of rhetoric coming out of Iran and little else IMHO. Ahmadinejad is a figurehead, the actual rulers of Iran aer and will continue to be the mullahs and ayatollahs, religious leaders.
Iran has about the same capacity to "destroy civilization" or threaten the US as Iraq ever had -- which is NONE.
We're in more danger of catasrophic environmental crisis brought on by our use of oil and other toxins than we are of Iran annihilating us with nuclear weapons. Just more "fear and xenophobia" spread by the Bushies to conserve poltical power here, in the main, or you could say the neo-cons are either too stupic or too crzy to come up with any other approach.
There are many much mroe dangerous global problems than Iran; but if we're worried about some thrid rate backwater dictatoprship 'taking over" or "destroying" the world, then we won't worry about the real threats and crimes: war profiteering, breaking the constituion, torture, energy policy, "K" street, Iraq, etc....
Daniel
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Daniel
Carl Jung's Waterboy
Date Joined Aug 2003
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| Posted 9/20/2006 7:11 PM (GMT -5) | | No power? He's got the backing of Russia, China,
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And both of these nations have nukes. So do India and Pakistan and N. Korea. If someone wanted to use nukes for terrorists purposes or any other purposes theycould get their hands on them quite easily; there are tons of loose nukes floating around.
This whole aggression to Iran by the Byush admin is just a bunch of pink smoke trying to manipulate the mid-term elections, just as the gas prices are also going down now, the "attack" ads are starting and the Bush-Rove media spin machine gets rolling, again at the *expense* of actual global-political progress.
It is amazing to me that anyone could still believe these idiots, even enough to listen to one word they say!!!
The true danger to America is the erosion of the legitimate electoral processes here at home that will allow the neo-cons to conserve political power despite having to mandate from the people (as they have not had for the last 6 years) and foisting an insane foreign policy and military strategy, whilst all the while amassing war-profits for their cronies and driving the American economy at large into the toilet. This because of "fear" soundbytes and rigged voting machines, plus the "Gods, Gays, and Guns" strategy they always use to manipulate the media and a segment of the population.
Pity it may well be the ruination of America whetehr terrorists *ever* attack us again, but it was fun to hear all that neat tough-talk rhetoric and realize that we could all go like lambs to the slaughter under the auspices of a self-styled dictator with an "80" IQ.
"Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice -- uh, fool me, uh, fool you?, uh...well, you just can't do it!"
Daniel
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Dragon Angel
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Date Joined Sep 2004
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| Posted 9/20/2006 10:29 PM (GMT -5) | |
BethS said...
Jeff Stehman said...
BethS said...
Is the entire western world so blind and stupid and mad that it cannot see the reality of who and what Ahmadinejad is A loony figurehead with no power but who is feeding off all the international attention he's getting so he keeps upping the ante?
No power? He's got the backing of Russia, China, and Venezuela.
He is a dangerous man and given the chance, he will do what he has promised.
~Beth If he really wanted nuclear waepons and those countries really backed him, they'd just mail him a few. Russia has more nukes then they know what to do with. I don't believe for a second that Russia supports Iran enough to give them real nuclear power. China either.
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Jeff Stehman
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| Posted 9/21/2006 12:00 PM (GMT -5) | | BarbT said...
In this case, to the U.N., as a vehicle for gaining favorable world opinion.
Nah. That's just Iran playing their usual delay and distract games. We're talking about a nation that, at least until we took out Saddam, viewed itself as standing alone against the Sunni menace in the Middle East. That when all its men are dead, sends its children to die. It is a nation with a strong will. They'll use others, but to run crying to another power really isn't their thing.
BethS said...
No power? He's got the backing of Russia, China, and Venezuela.
He is a dangerous man and given the chance, he will do what he has promised.
He has little real power within Iran. The Supreme Leader and the Council of Guardians have the final say on just about everything the federal government does, and the Supreme Leader is the Command-and-Chief of the Iranian military. Ahmadinejad is a man enjoying his moment on the world stage, making a lot of noise to draw attention. In the end, what he says doesn't matter unless we act on it.
nathan said...
Time to return the Iraq favor to the Iran and start funding/equiping/training the freedom movement already there. Doesn't have to be violenced base.
That's tricky business. Unlike Iraq, many Iranians do have a sense of national identity, and when pushed from the outside, they tend to pull together. I think a hands-off approach will work best here. The next Iranian revolution--and I have no doubt there will be one and it will be messy--needs to come entirely from within.
On a related note (not that you advocate it, Nathan), in one of the delicious ironies following our invasion of Iraq, I witnessed more than one hardcore criticizing-Bush's-policies-supports-terrorism American say that we should be financing the Mujahedin-e Khalq and sending them back into Iran. For those not familiar with the MEK, it's a home-grown terrorist organization that targets the Iranian government--these days. Before they were chased out of Iran (and given safe harbor by Saddam), they were known for such things as killing US military and civilian personnel and taking part in the takeover of the US embassy in '79. We bombed the MEK as part of our invasion of Iraq, but despite the group being classified as a terrorist organization by our State Department, we eventually signed a cease-fire agreement with them. Oh, and they're commies (well, sort of). When our world finally ends--at least for humanity--I'm convinced our brief time on this stage will be concluded in an ironic fashion.
Daniel said...
What was loony was Bush's pendantic and condescending speech at the UN yesterday.
I haven't been able to watch Bush's speeches for years. I haven't listened to any of them in a couple of years. These days, I can hardly read the transcripts. I keep wanting to send him to his room.
Daniel said...
Iran has about the same capacity to "destroy civilization" or threaten the US as Iraq ever had -- which is NONE.
I wouldn't say "destroy civilization," but due to the nature of the oil markets, Iran is very capable of putting the world into a tailspin. They're far more capable of doing it than Iraq was when we invaded.
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Daniel
Carl Jung's Waterboy
Date Joined Aug 2003
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| Posted 9/21/2006 2:56 PM (GMT -5) | | I think they are far more likely to be stationed near strategic US targets than floating around the black market
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You really think so? How much do you know about the black market economy in Russia. It's extensive.
"The collapse of the Soviet Union and its framework of totalitarian control raised the specter of rampant nuclear proliferation, fueled by leakages of fissile material from increasingly insecure stockpiles. Indeed, thefts of nuclear and radioactive materials, propelled by deteriorating economic and security conditions in the nuclear complex, have surged in the former Soviet Union since the early 1990s. Most incidents of nuclear theft and smuggling have been militarily innocuous, involving radioactive junk (such as low-grade uranium, cesium-137 or cobalt-60) that is useless in making fissile weapons. However, some 15 to 20 seizures of weapons-usable plutonium and highly-enriched uranium (HEU) have been recorded internationally in the past decade, and U.S. policymakers must contemplate the possibility that -- as with other illegally traded commodities -- what was seized is only a small fraction of what has been circulated through smuggling channels.[1]"
Still, with or without a nuke, Al-Qaeda is still a greater threat to the US than Ahmadinejad.
Daniel
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