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Jaqhama
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   Posted 8/8/2008 10:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks guys.

It's only the book publishing section I'm really interested in.


You can read some of my stories here:
Skulkers. Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. RAT's. La Carcajou. Jet Bike Boogie...at www.pulpanddagger.com
Swamp Story. Down South. Florida Haze.Wild Justice...
at www.bikernet.com (Plus many of my motorcycle related articles.)
The Covert OP. Chick Prick...at www.milstory.com

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   Posted 8/6/2008 7:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jaqhama said...
Is there an email address that one can just send subs to, instead of posting it up in the slush bar?

In the near future I'll have a complete military sci-fi novel ready to go...am I correct in thinking that the book manuscripts go to a different place than the magazine subs?
There are basically two routes you can go with magazine submissions, the e-mail sub (as suggested above) and the slush bar.  The e-mail slub is now closed to submssions for an indefinite period. 
 
The slush bar is always open to submissions, though, from new authors eligible for the Introducing slot.  (Basically, if you haven't been published by them before, and aren't an SFWA-defined pro, you're eligible)
 
And yes, there is a separate submission process for books...
 

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   Posted 8/6/2008 6:40 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Jaqhama,

I think they are currently closed to submissions, but when they re-open if you want to avoid the bar slush conference, on the submission page they have a link to a submission form.  Click the link, enter in some very basic info, then attach your story file using the browse option and submit.  Very easy and returns an auto-responder to let you know they got it, with a link to let you follow your story's progress through slush.


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"A Stand in the Eye of the Needle" Flashing Swords, May 2008
"Mortismagus" in Magic and Mechanica, Ricasso Press Forthcoming 2008
"The Gift of the Unspoken God," in The Infinity Swords, Carnivah House > >, Forthcoming 2008
"The Homecoming of Brother Antonitus" Flashing Swords May 2009

The Gunnerman” Black Gate: Adventures in Fantasy Literature, forthcoming TBA >>

"Thorvold's Tale" in The Age of Blood and SnowMorrigan Books, forthcoming Dec 2008

 

 

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   Posted 8/6/2008 6:23 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I write the kind of military sci-fi that most Baen readers would probably enjoy.
Hard and fast and lots of action and excitment.
Long on action and fairly short on overly technical explanantions of why a particular piece of sci-fi hardware works.

But...Their forum layout just does my head in.
Lot's of pretty colours I grant you.
Lot's of toys and tricks to play with I expect...I just find the whole forum layout with one third being for threads and two thirds being for a message...awkward and not user friendly when one is used to the normal forum layouts such a Vbulletin and Phpb.

Is there an email address that one can just send subs to, instead of posting it up in the slush bar?

And I take it that we are talking subs for a magazine, not for the book publishing side of Baen yes?
In the near future I'll have a complete military sci-fi novel ready to go...am I correct in thinking that the book manuscripts go to a different place than the magazine subs?

Jaq: somehwat confused by Baen's website/forum.


You can read some of my stories here:
Skulkers. Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. RAT's. La Carcajou. Jet Bike Boogie...at www.pulpanddagger.com
Swamp Story. Down South. Florida Haze.Wild Justice...
at www.bikernet.com (Plus many of my motorcycle related articles.)
The Covert OP. Chick Prick...at www.milstory.com

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   Posted 8/1/2008 7:52 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I didn't realize slush readers commented on stories.  I just checked, and the only comment my story received back in June was from Edith.  She made a few good points.  Maybe I'll revise and repost.  I should have read this thread a long time ago, obviously. :)

The Baen's Bar software is horrible, or maybe their server just can't handle the load or something.  I had a terrible time getting my story to post.  I kinda sorta like the idea of an open slush pile, but to make it really effective it seems like they should have a better interface for posting and reading.


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"Comparative Anatomy" Space Squid (forthcoming)
"Snow Magic" Fictitious Force (forthcoming)
"Newton the Baker's Boy" Strange Worlds of Lunacy, Residential Aliens/CrystalWizard Productions
"Silent Skies" Byzarium (March 2008)
"The King's Messenger" Renard's Menagerie #5
"Honeymoon" Desolate Places, Hadley Rille Books
"Sawmill Road," "Bad Luck," "How My Sister Lost the Game," "Sick DayEvery Day Fiction
"Trompe L'Oeil" Staffs & Starships #1
"Sea and Sky" Black Dragon, White Dragon, Ricasso Press
"Final Episode" and "Night Court" available on AnthologyBuilder.com

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   Posted 7/31/2008 11:00 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just as an addendum, the time is midnight eastern, which means it will be tonight (July 31st) at 9:00 PM for the west coast.


Jason Thummel
 
"A Stand in the Eye of the Needle" Flashing Swords, May 2008
"Mortismagus" in Magic and Mechanica, Ricasso Press Forthcoming 2008
"The Gift of the Unspoken God," in The Infinity Swords, Carnivah House > >, Forthcoming 2008
"The Homecoming of Brother Antonitus" Flashing Swords May 2009

The Gunnerman” Black Gate: Adventures in Fantasy Literature, forthcoming TBA >>

"Thorvold's Tale" in The Age of Blood and SnowMorrigan Books, forthcoming Dec 2008

 

 

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   Posted 7/31/2008 10:24 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Reminder- For those hoping to get in that last minute story, Baen's regular submissions close tomorrow, Aug 1st.

I think I am going to give up on the bar. The new story I have there got a fairly positive critique from Edith, (and I was psyched, because she is a tough slush reader), but no one else has touched it.


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you may regret it
careful what you wish
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   Posted 7/28/2008 11:07 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Very cool. Let's hope it keeps moving and dwindles down to a manageable level.


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   Posted 7/28/2008 7:41 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The RTF pile at Baen's is moving now. I've talked with two authors who received word of a sale yesterday. (Sunday)
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   Posted 6/18/2008 9:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yeah, the rejection turn around time through the regular slush was fast. Four days for mine.

I finally submitted a story to the bar slush a couple days ago. And my luck being my luck, the site promptly crashed. Somehow my story did manage to garner one comment between down times.
Looks like they are still having some trouble with their server today though.


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"careful what you wish
you may regret it
careful what you wish
you just might get it"
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   Posted 6/5/2008 1:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Thanks, Jason.  I think you answered my question.  The Bar it is.  Hope I finish it soon enough for this window.

Barb.  Aka the tortoise. smurf

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   Posted 6/5/2008 10:46 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My one adventure at the bar netted precisely two comments.

One reader said the story was exquisite, another said it was "far too slow".

Unfortuinately, the "far too slow" was from Edith.


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"The Box Of Beautiful Things" - IGMS#3
"The Man Who Was Never Afraid" - Abyss and Apex #20
"At Blue Crane Falls" - Abyss and Apex #25
"Where No Wind Blows" - Staffs & Starships #2
"The Gray World" - Every Day Fiction (June 1st 2008) 
"What The Sea Refuses" - Black Gate (forthcoming)
"What The Heart Bears" - Black Gate (forthcoming)
"Above The Clouds" - Paper Blossoms, Sharpened Steel (forthcoming)
"Three Out Of Four" - Sorcerous Signals Feb-Apr 08 
"The Dragon Path" - Fictitious Force #5
"The Last Arrow Of Liang Xi" - Darwin's Evolutions (forthcoming)
 
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"The Unicorn Hunter" - OG's Speculative Fiction #8
"Call Centre" - Necrotic Tissue #1
"When Winter Came" - ASIM #32
"Cold Fire" - Flashing Swords #9, The Age Of Blood And Snow (forthcoming) 
"St. Saviour And The Devil's Dandy" - Flashing Swords (forthcoming)
"In This City" - Fantasy Magazine (forthcoming)

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   Posted 6/5/2008 7:06 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Edith is a good indicator of how on Baen-track a story is, but she's not the only editor and the slushies do disagree with one another.

A story might get passed up on majority vote, but it's also possible that a story gets passed up not unlike a book in a publishing house - because it has one champion among the editors who pleads a persuasive enough case that it's given a chance.

So, while Edith can be seen as a person in power, being a slush reader, it's still not quite as simple as accepting and making changes she suggests. There are more slush readers, some of them more silent than the others (except when they get togehter to talk about the stories, I guess, heh!), and they're tastes might be more aligned with what you write.

My advice is to take all the comments the same as you would with a normal critique group - compare them, see where the majority agreements&disagreements are, what the overall opinion is, and then decide yourself whether you agree or disagree with the crits.

If the critiques lead you to believe that there is room for improvement in your story, then re-write it, but because you prefer the re-write, not because someone else prefers it, because you think the story is stronger.

If all the critiques are in, and you still think the version of the story is right, then leave it for at least the 3 months and then come back to it if it hasn't been requested; send it to a couple of other markets and wait to hear what they say.

As I've said before, though, the best way to understand what the JBU wants is to read the JBU. The same as for any market.

Write the story and then see where it will fit; trying to tailor a story to a market's tastes isn't always that succesful.

 

 

 

 

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   Posted 6/4/2008 9:07 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just to chime in again about the revising process from suggested changes in the bar. In my case, there were line edits suggested that I have no problem making at all. The one change though, involves whether or not the girl is considered a "slave" in her position to the king. Well, it's not really stated if she is or isn't, but she does feel a slave to her calling/profession, and the endplot revolves around how the guy also feels a slave (to his sword .... hey, its a sword and sorcery story, what can I say), so therefore they understand and relate to each other. But E. said she'd like the story better if the girl wasn't a slave. Therefore, since she is a person in power, I feel like I should oblige her if I want the story to have a chance, but on the other hand, I totally disagree that it's even a major sticking point. It's hard to explain if you haven't read the story or her comment. I wasn't sure when I first asked if she was a power or just a writer who reads other stories. Since I didn't state anywhere in the story that she is a slave to the king, I don't see how I can take it out or change it. Ok, griping over with.

My main questions was answered long ago, about finding out who the readers/editors were. So thanks for that!


The ultimate tragedy was not to die, but to have had life and let it slip through your hands, day by day, unused, until in the end it was gone, and you had learned nothing, given nothing, left no portion of grace or love in any soul.  -- Anne Rice, Tathen, pg 9

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   Posted 6/4/2008 5:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
David de Beer said...
when did you get here on SFReader?

I don't post that much, but I've been here for....a while.  several months?
 
Thanks for the good thoughs.  Sam also mentioned that 'raising of the bar' thing to me...
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   Posted 6/4/2008 5:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I also had a story make it into an "introducing" slot. I also had two other stories kicked upstairs, one that was rejected by Mike after a looooooong wait, and another that was kicked upstairs last month (fingers crossed).
 
In each case, and in the case of several other stories that I've submitted elsewhere, the stories were improved by comments received on the Bar. I think a lot of people miss one of the foremost purposes of the Bar, which is to improve stories so they have a better chance of selling to ANY market, not just Baen's Universe. Some of the stories I've revised a couple times on the Bar have made into anthologies, others are waiting in line at different markets. But they are all better for the revisions I made.
 
Anyway, that's my shpiel. 


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   Posted 6/4/2008 3:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I had a story make it to an "introducing" slot through the slush bar, and it was a far better story for the the revisions I made there (particularly in pacing).  I didn't agree with every-single-one of the suggestions, but most of the input was fair to excellent.

I'm trying to have a story ready to submit for this open period.  If I do finish in time, I don't know whether to submit it through the bar or directly.  I'm not eligible for an introducing slot anymore, so I'll be running into top competition.

Any sugestions on the better submission venue for a light-approach fantasy with a touch of mystery?

Barb

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   Posted 6/4/2008 2:27 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
gawd, just occurred to me that everything I say might sound like sour grapes for having a story bounced.
 
[obligatory for the record waffle]:
I don't always agree with Resnick, but the man has been around for a long time and is worth paying attention to. Raising the standard sucks on the ground, but overall it's a good thing. Sure, my story getting bounced was disappointing but his comment made me think a lot, both with that one and all stories after. I do indulge in exposition too much, bog the story down, I am a too slow writer far too often. I don't think I'm that natural at shorts, and that's fine, means I have to work harder.
JBU has gone in a direction not to my tastes, or not enough to my tastes, but a strong enough line-up might still make me consider a single issue buy.
And even so, my tastes are not the general tastes, and if they cater to an audience who might otherwise not be catered to - good. They fill a need, and that's all right with me.
 
And I still bloody well want to be published there!
 
[end of waffle; why are these things even necessary?]


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   Posted 6/4/2008 2:20 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
well, I don't usually quickly dislike something I liked to begin with:p
 
Resnick's addition did change some things, I remember an article he wrote, either in the JBU or on the Bar and it affirmed what Sam had told me when we worked on my story - the bar for acceptance was raised, a lot. I took my subscription based on reading issue #3, which was mostly Flint as editor i think and there is a definite wider variety of fiction in that one than the 6 I read afterwards.
 
I can't be sure, but I know I was looking forward to reading them on a regular basis based on that one trial issue and what I finally got disappointed me, not what I was expecting exactly.
 
You've had one story there, which got good responses - you'll get there again, little toe is in and soon the whole foot and body will be.yeah
Best of luck!
 
when did you get here on SFReader?


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   Posted 6/4/2008 12:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey, David!

Glad you still like the story I had there.

I believe that the addition of Resnick as a senoir editor did change their choices somewhat. The story I have on hold is a mundane Sf, but the fantasy one I've got one on the Bar is a 'subvert expectations' story. We'll have to be patient and see if they bite...please....please bite.... ;o)

Wish me luck!
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   Posted 6/4/2008 12:07 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
>and fantasy especially tends to be pretty traditional in plot
 
JBU fantasy tends to be traditional styled, that is.
 
Regarding the open slush vs introducing slot - the open slush is much, much faster, but equally much, much tougher. Not many writers have a free pass up to Resnick and Flint so you're competing with everyone out there. And Names always get preference, this is simply the way it is.
So, yeah, the Bar is slow but it might just be a better way to go to begin with. If one or two of the Baen slushies themselves show positive interest, then do some rewrites and put it up again. People are certainly allowed to put up rewriters, whereas the open slush you have one chance only.


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   Posted 6/4/2008 12:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Been a while since I've posted to the  Baen Bar; admittedly, my progress there went from rtf request (and then pfft! from Mike R.) to less and less interest.

I don't know, the comments vary and come and go, mostly it's from folks looking for crits and stuff I think.

As has been said, Edith reads pretty much everything, and Sam reads them as well although I don't think he comments every time.

To understand JBU, it's probably best to read JBU. You can get a feel for the stories. Either that, or be familiar with Mike Resnick's writing and theories on writing, that'll help. ASIM is not very dissimilar to what JBU publishes. Alternatively, if you have a strong sale record or are a published novelists with decent sales, you have more opportunity to veer off the BAEN path. Not by much, but some.

In general, they favor science fiction more than fantasy, and fantasy especially tends to be pretty traditional in plot. Silly humor is good, unless you're Rebecca Lickiss, who is genuinely funny. Brisk pace; coherent (I'm actually going to argue that consistency thing, several of the ones I've read don't hold up when you start asking too many questions, the underlying premise that is. When you go with the flow and blithely accept what's presented to you, they are entertaining though. It all needs to tie together and make sense at the end, subtlety is not so much desired); light on description and detail you can get away with.

Baen entertains, not provoke thought or subvert expectations.

Brisk pace, breezy content. These are the Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers. That kind of thing.

Jeanette's story there was excellent, I remember it (and nnnnot quite the standard JBU profile either). Now and then JBU publish stories that I really like, really good, but unfortunately they're a bit too light in value for me, too forgettable, am not renewing my subscription.


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   Posted 6/3/2008 7:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Pam said...
Ok, color me frustrated then. the upshot of it is that I'm not re-writing the story.
IMO, if it's something you feel strongly about, then you shouldn't change it.  But you might want to keep in mind that it could be that your story is perfectly fine, just not right for Baen's....you might want to move on to a different market. (I have plenty I never attempt because I don't write in their style).
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