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       |  nathan Sage

       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 2176 | Posted 3/22/2008 12:08 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Nicholas said... P.S. I bought his book on Ligotti, by the way, though I didn't buy any Roman coins.
I agree with you, Nathan, that Ligotti is fanastic, arguably the greatest writer WT has featured in probably a couple decades. A vision as singular as Lovecraft's, although more contemporary and disturbing.
I've tried my hand at a Ligottiesque story or two, but I just can't pull it off: my worldview just cannot go that dark, even when I try! I'm prone to see the silver lining, or the little glimmer of hope, or the last desparate shot at redemption (which is, incidentally, also a King trait. Even the sadistic tales of Clive Barker often offer some hint of potential redemption or goodness that resists the assault of utter darkness). No such comfort in Ligotti. His worldview is more nihilistic even than Lovecraft's. While I don't subscribe to such a worldview, I do recognize him as a master, and always perk up when a new issue of WT carries one of his stories.
That Ligotti is not a millionaire and enjoying vast celebrity is a bitter irony of writing. For myself I found him stunningly good.
I need to go look at the WT issue to get the story titles but the one I read where he got you to understand how a lonely little white boy was better off in a dilapidated old house in a violent black ghetto with circus freakish drug dealers than he was in his own house...WOW! And he took the mundane of that--which was horrific enough, but then added in a layer of mystery about the family make up and how the mother and sister where even more sinister in some unknown way than the serial killer father...he's THE best horror writer I've read.
But as powerful as that story was it was the three or four stories about the unrelenting paranoia of a vast unfocused conspiracy and being controlled in such a way that life was basically the metaphorical (and in some instances the literal) equivalent of one of those Hollywood town sets where everything is façade--again…wow. He’s a master.
And his work is very very very hard to find his net presence is almost nonexistent and he’s almost completely unheard of. Now I respect the hell out of WT, like it a lot. But it’s only a mid-rank magazine for horror. Cemetery Dance, say, is much “bigger” if you will. My point is that I have to suspect those powerful stories that wowed me (I did say “wow” once or twice right?) had to have been *rejected*. Meanwhile Bentley Little (who admittedly I do enjoy in his short forms) is treated like a pharaoh of horror.
I certainly hope WT paid TL more than 3-4 cents a word when you think about Dean Koontz getting 80-bucks a word. I think I’ve just accidentally descended into rant, but I’m ecstatic to finally find someone who’s read Thomas Ligotti as well.
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 |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 4554 | Posted 3/21/2008 10:48 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
  |  Jim Stratton Acolyte

       Date Joined Oct 2006 Total Posts : 296 | Posted 3/21/2008 8:26 PM (GMT -5) |   | Nicholas- The publication used to operate out of George's basement in King of Prussia until the sale to DNA. These days he's largely retired, but he's in his late 70s or 80s and not real mobile. I agree with your assessment of Darryl, these days I walk by his booth in the dealer rooms quickly. Stop to talk and he's thrusting books into your hands. I'm not sure if the coins are real or not. I've never bought one. I gather from what I've been told that Darryl no long has editorial input I'm not sure he has even the limited involvement you heard of these days. Diane is now the Art Editor at Space & Time with Hilde Silverman. Bottom line, the folks that made the editorial decisions during the DNA times and before no longer have much input. Sadly, Daine still has no input on fiction acquitions at Space & Time. Oh well.  Jim Stratton
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“The Heretic” in Tower of Light Online Magazine in Issue #5 (March, 2008). “Living With Miracles” in Big Pulp Online Magazine in October, 2008. “One Life, One Arrow” in “Paper Blossoms, Sharpened Steel” due out in late 2009. “Your Duty To Your Lord” in Morrigan Books' “Age of Blood & Snow”, due out Winter, 2008. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Nicholas Sage

       Date Joined Jun 2006 Total Posts : 1061 | Posted 3/21/2008 2:25 PM (GMT -5) |   | | P.S. I bought his book on Ligotti, by the way, though I didn't buy any Roman coins.
I agree with you, Nathan, that Ligotti is fanastic, arguably the greatest writer WT has featured in probably a couple decades. A vision as singular as Lovecraft's, although more contemporary and disturbing.
I've tried my hand at a Ligottiesque story or two, but I just can't pull it off: my worldview just cannot go that dark, even when I try! I'm prone to see the silver lining, or the little glimmer of hope, or the last desparate shot at redemption (which is, incidentally, also a King trait. Even the sadistic tales of Clive Barker often offer some hint of potential redemption or goodness that resists the assault of utter darkness). No such comfort in Ligotti. His worldview is more nihilistic even than Lovecraft's. While I don't subscribe to such a worldview, I do recognize him as a master, and always perk up when a new issue of WT carries one of his stories.
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  |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 4554 | Posted 3/21/2008 1:56 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
   |  Nicholas Sage

       Date Joined Jun 2006 Total Posts : 1061 | Posted 3/21/2008 1:14 PM (GMT -5) |   | I'll ditto what Mike said--the new format and special features (like Weirdisms) are great fun. In addition to the editorial shake-up, the magazine recently underwent a major overhaul of its "look." The old logo that it had since its inception eighty years ago was updated. (I prefer the old logo, but that's mostly just nostalgia. If the new logo will sell more copies off the rack, more power to 'em.)
I've had dealings with WT for the past eight years; they ran a fifth poem of mine in the last issue. That was one of three poems that were accepted almost two years ago by Schweitzer and Scithers; one of which is still being held for a future issue. When the editorial line-up changed, the poems were apparently lost(!) and I had to resubmit them. New editor Stephen Segal kept the two, and released the third because it was a humorous poem and no longer fit their new direction. (Humorous poems were always what Schweitzer was clamoring for from me!) Hey, as long as they keep using some of my stuff, I'm happy.
It's been owned by Wildside Press under John Betancourt for a couple years now, and they are much better than DNA. DNA actually never paid me for my fourth poem, which ran in the last issue they put out about three years ago. I'm sure I'll never see that money, because John informed me that anything printed under DNA contract, DNA is responsible for. DNA is basically defunct; there is a lawsuit pending against them over their KISS magazine, and DNA publisher Warren Lapine has essentially gone into hiding, not returning emails even to former associates and editors.
Long live Weird Tales under Wildside! http://ozment.livejournal.com
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  |  erazmus Master

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 4554 | Posted 3/21/2008 12:56 PM (GMT -5) |   | Nathan, Yes I have. Ann has kindly, (and fairly quickly) rejected a number of stories I've sent her, and Steven is holding one of my poems now for six months, which may mean he'll want to buy it or may not. I still subscribe. The magazine is, in some ways, improving over the old DNA editions, which featured a fairly predictable line up of authors and material, but I haven't quite sussed out what it is they are doing different. I never figured out Ann's taste when she was doing Silver Web either, so it may just escsape me, though I keep plugging away. Certainly WT is coming out on time, has a few more pages and some interesting features like the real world weirdisms. I _enjoy_ the magazine as much or more now than ever. What ever they are doing, they are doing it faster and more reliably.
Mike Michael D. Turner "Psyched Up" in _Turn the other Chick_-ed. E. Friesner-Baen books www.baen.com "Dutchman Rescue"in Continuum SF #6 www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm
"An Incident at Black Tongue Tavern" in _Bash Down the Door and Slice Open the Badguy_ from Fantasist Enterprises:
www.fantasistent.com/books/anthologies/BASH.php "Stains" in Tales of the Talisman 3-1 www.zianet.com/hadrosaur/index.html "Morning Coffee" in Every Day Fiction www.everydayfiction.com/morning-coffee-by-michael-d-turner/ "The Jewel Below" in Flashing Swords flashingswords.sfreader.com/issues/issue8/vol2-iss8-05.htm "Happy Landings" in Every Day Fiction www.everydayfiction.com/happy-landings-by-michael-d-turner/ "Teller of Tales" in Every day Fiction www.everydayfiction.com/teller-of-tales-by-michael-d-turner/ Read "Silver Shells" In Every Day Fiction www.everydayfiction.com/silver-shells-by-michael-d-turner/ | | Back to Top | | |
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